Updating to Fall Creator (1809)

As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?

In article , Tim
wrote:

As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?

it should work, although it's always possible whatever is preventing
1803 will continue to be a problem.

On 07 Sep 2018, Tim wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble
installing 1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall
Creator 1809, my question is can i skip installing 1803 and
upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?

http://www.magicmgmt.com/gary/magic8ball/



But seriously, I don't think anyone not working in that department at
Microsoft can know at this point.

On 09/07/2018 03:34 PM, Tim wrote:
As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?


Oh great. Another new Windows 10. I just got everyone settled
down with 1803 and M$ is going to do it again.

"Tim" wrote in message
. 28...

As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?

This site says yes
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...6-4d392c3b001f
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Bob S.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:05:17 -0700, T
wrote:

On 09/07/2018 03:34 PM, Tim wrote:
As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?


Oh great. Another new Windows 10. I just got everyone settled
down with 1803 and M$ is going to do it again.

It's too bad to be borne!

At least MSoft might supply a WIZARD to reinstall
programs across if a ''clean install'' option is
chosen!

Tim wrote:
As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?

I doubt I could write a decent flow chart for this.
These are just a few breadcrumbs.

These four lines (from an administrator command prompt), put
the WinSxS store and System32 back into good health. Occasionally,
the WinSxS maintenance gets confused about some stupid HTML file,
and will claim the store has bad health, when it's a false positive
of sorts.

Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
sfc /scannow

*******

Free up some space.

powercfg /h off
control.exe , system , system protection, disable on C: (saves space)

On a 32GB tablet, the installer can ask for the insert of an
SD or a USB flash, to provide scratch space for the install.
If you give us some hint you're running really close to the limit,
that might explain why it doesn't work.

*******

You can clean out the SoftwareDistribution folder.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

You don't have to run the full script. You can stop
the four services, then enter the SoftwareDistribution
folder and try deleting stuff. Administrator might
actually be enough.

*******

disable/uninstall AV software

*******

Review the usage of Junction points for Program Files, Program Files (x86),
or the home directories. While Windows supports moving the home
directory to D: or the Program Files folders to D: , the installer
does not like this.

If you are a "one man weapon of mass destruction" when
it comes to computer configuration, please confess now :-)

*******

The upgrade install will keep two log files. One log file
logs only the first stage of installation (file copying stage).
The second log file keeps everything else. One uses UTC time,
the other uses local time.

On an upgrade failure, the installer "backs out". This creates
a rather large number of additional status lines in the second
log file. When you're examining the log, it means you have
to "scroll back" and try and spot the error. You'd think they
would keep a separate "rollback.log" for this purpose, but no,
that would be too easy.

The types of messages put in the log, aren't really intended
for debugging, but, it's all they offer, and all you can do
is look.

In File Explorer, search on "ext:log", then sort by date,
to see what logs exist.

*******

I think I've tested "double-jumping" just recently (wasn't
the focus of the experiment). I went from a 15063 restored
OS, to 17134, in one shot, and it worked. It could well be
my imagination, but it seemed a bit slow. But as these things
go, probably not outside the normal variation in execution times.
I don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for one of these,
so it wasn't that slow.

I don't think "double-jumping" is going to help one bit.

Whatever is borking your upgrade-ability, will continue
to bork it. Until you fix it. Or, you do a clean install.

Paul

Paul wrote in news
Tim wrote:
As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble
installing 1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator
1809, my question is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709
straight to 1809?

I doubt I could write a decent flow chart for this.
These are just a few breadcrumbs.

These four lines (from an administrator command prompt), put
the WinSxS store and System32 back into good health. Occasionally,
the WinSxS maintenance gets confused about some stupid HTML file,
and will claim the store has bad health, when it's a false positive
of sorts.

Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
sfc /scannow

*******


I have done all the DISM commands and it didn't make any difference


Free up some space.

powercfg /h off
control.exe , system , system protection, disable on C: (saves space)


I've got 95 gb free out of a 256 gb SSD


*******

You can clean out the SoftwareDistribution folder.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...pdate-windows-
10-a.html

You don't have to run the full script. You can stop
the four services, then enter the SoftwareDistribution
folder and try deleting stuff. Administrator might
actually be enough.

*******

disable/uninstall AV software


The only AV software running is Windows Defender

*******

Review the usage of Junction points for Program Files, Program Files
(x86), or the home directories. While Windows supports moving the home
directory to D: or the Program Files folders to D: , the installer
does not like this.

If you are a "one man weapon of mass destruction" when
it comes to computer configuration, please confess now :-)


I'm not that dumb. I've read too many examples of why this doesn't work


*******

The upgrade install will keep two log files. One log file
logs only the first stage of installation (file copying stage).
The second log file keeps everything else. One uses UTC time,
the other uses local time.

On an upgrade failure, the installer "backs out". This creates
a rather large number of additional status lines in the second
log file. When you're examining the log, it means you have
to "scroll back" and try and spot the error. You'd think they
would keep a separate "rollback.log" for this purpose, but no,
that would be too easy.

The types of messages put in the log, aren't really intended
for debugging, but, it's all they offer, and all you can do
is look.

In File Explorer, search on "ext:log", then sort by date,
to see what logs exist.

*******

I think I've tested "double-jumping" just recently (wasn't
the focus of the experiment). I went from a 15063 restored
OS, to 17134, in one shot, and it worked. It could well be
my imagination, but it seemed a bit slow. But as these things
go, probably not outside the normal variation in execution times.
I don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for one of these,
so it wasn't that slow.

I don't think "double-jumping" is going to help one bit.

Whatever is borking your upgrade-ability, will continue
to bork it. Until you fix it. Or, you do a clean install.

Paul


It's the old standard IRQL less than or equal and names ndis.sys as the
culprit.

I used the tool mentioned to hide 1803, and will wait for 1809 next
month. If that fails I guess it is Armaggedon time

On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 22:34:14 GMT, Tim wrote:

As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can I skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?

The Fall Creator is described in Genesis.

Tim wrote:

It's the old standard IRQL less than or equal and names ndis.sys as the
culprit.

I used the tool mentioned to hide 1803, and will wait for 1809 next
month. If that fails I guess it is Armaggedon time

What happens if you:

1) Make a backup of C:

2) Use Device Manager to disable both the NIC
and the Wifi (and anything else that smells of networking).

3) Kick off 1803 upgrade.

If this was a desktop, you might be able to disable a NIC
and a Wifi using BIOS controls. Laptops don't have nearly
as nice a BIOS in them. On a desktop, the Wifi might
unplug. (There are a few Home Theater motherboards
with Wifi somewhere on the motherboard.)

Paul

Peter Jason wrote:
On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:05:17 -0700, T
wrote:

On 09/07/2018 03:34 PM, Tim wrote:
As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?


Oh great. Another new Windows 10. I just got everyone settled
down with 1803 and M$ is going to do it again.

It's too bad to be borne!

At least MSoft might supply a WIZARD to reinstall
programs across if a ''clean install'' option is
chosen!


Agreed. If doing a ''clean install'' was as simple and easy as in Linux
while preserving your profile, settings, and apps then it would not be
an issue. But a ''clean install'' in Windows is a real PITA if you are
not just a casual user.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:05:17 -0700, T
wrote:

On 09/07/2018 03:34 PM, Tim wrote:
As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?

Oh great. Another new Windows 10. I just got everyone settled
down with 1803 and M$ is going to do it again.
It's too bad to be borne!

At least MSoft might supply a WIZARD to reinstall
programs across if a ''clean install'' option is
chosen!


Agreed. If doing a ''clean install'' was as simple and easy as in Linux
while preserving your profile, settings, and apps then it would not be
an issue. But a ''clean install'' in Windows is a real PITA if you are
not just a casual user.


For $50-$60 or so, it can be "easy".

There are perhaps at least three companies offering
to transition your "stuff" from an old install, to
a clean install, after the clean install completes.

The license terms for the software, it's licensed per
machine, and perhaps per usage. Making it quite an
expensive proposition.

But if you want to talk to a support guy in India
about why it isn't working, it's probably worth
every dollar of the purchase price :-)

There's Laplink, Zemana, and maybe Easeus. The Easeus
had a trial (teaser) app, and that one didn't manage
to list everything in my Programs and Features listing.

Paul

"Jonathan N. Little" wrote in
news
Peter Jason wrote:
On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:05:17 -0700, T
wrote:

On 09/07/2018 03:34 PM, Tim wrote:
As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble
installing 1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator
1809, my question is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from
1709 straight to 1809?


Agreed. If doing a ''clean install'' was as simple and easy as in
Linux while preserving your profile, settings, and apps then it would
not be an issue. But a ''clean install'' in Windows is a real PITA if
you are not just a casual user.

Since my C: drive is a 256 gb SSD, the only thing on it is what Windows
put there and my user directory. I will copy my user directory to one of
the other drives, so that won't be a problem. I don't really have a
problem with doing a clean install except that it is such a PITA to
reinstall everything. Between system utilities, video editors, audio
editors, and a few other odds and ends, I probably have about 50
applications I would have to reinstall. I guess I will just do like I did
with the original Win10, immediately reinstall the few I need right away,
then add the others as I need them. Luckily I have copies of all the
installation stuff on another drive.

Many moons ago I used to support a couple DEC VAXes running VMS. It was
really nice becuase one could install each program within its own
separate space, and just set up pointers to it that would be initialized
either at boot time or unpon a user's login. And you could have Alpha,
Beta, and Production versions of the pointers which was great for
software development. Oh well.

Tim wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote in
news
[...]
Agreed. If doing a ''clean install'' was as simple and easy as in
Linux while preserving your profile, settings, and apps then it would
not be an issue. But a ''clean install'' in Windows is a real PITA if
you are not just a casual user.

Since my C: drive is a 256 gb SSD, the only thing on it is what Windows
put there and my user directory. I will copy my user directory to one of
the other drives, so that won't be a problem. I don't really have a
problem with doing a clean install except that it is such a PITA to
reinstall everything. Between system utilities, video editors, audio
editors, and a few other odds and ends, I probably have about 50
applications I would have to reinstall. I guess I will just do like I did
with the original Win10, immediately reinstall the few I need right away,
then add the others as I need them. Luckily I have copies of all the
installation stuff on another drive.

Many moons ago I used to support a couple DEC VAXes running VMS. It was
really nice becuase one could install each program within its own
separate space, and just set up pointers to it that would be initialized
either at boot time or unpon a user's login. And you could have Alpha,
Beta, and Production versions of the pointers which was great for
software development. Oh well.

$RANT ON

Don't be silly! You're talking about *structure*! We can't have THAT,
can we!? We're talking *Windows* here, so the aim is total chaos, or at
least something very close to it! So smarten up, will you!?

*Stucture* is for wimps or/and old geezers like us.

Luckily Google is following Microsoft's lead by making a total mess of
Android. Narrow escape that one!

So old UNIX loons like myself can only have (wet?) dreams (or
nightmares?) about things like the System V Release 4 filesystem layout,
etc..

$RANT OFF

Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:05:17 -0700, T
wrote:

On 09/07/2018 03:34 PM, Tim wrote:
As some of you probably remember, I have been having trouble
installing
1803 on my PC. With the imminent release of Fall Creator 1809, my
question
is can i skip installing 1803 and upgrade from 1709 straight to 1809?

Oh great.Â* Another new Windows 10.Â* I just got everyone settled
down with 1803 and M$ is going to do it again.
It's too bad to be borne!

At least MSoft might supply a WIZARD to reinstall
programs across if a ''clean install'' option is
chosen!


Agreed. If doing a ''clean install'' was as simple and easy as in Linux
while preserving your profile, settings, and apps then it would not be
an issue. But a ''clean install'' in Windows is a real PITA if you are
not just a casual user.


For $50-$60 or so, it can be "easy".

There are perhaps at least three companies offering
to transition your "stuff" from an old install, to
a clean install, after the clean install completes.

The license terms for the software, it's licensed per
machine, and perhaps per usage. Making it quite an
expensive proposition.

But if you want to talk to a support guy in India
about why it isn't working, it's probably worth
every dollar of the purchase price :-)

There's Laplink, Zemana, and maybe Easeus. The Easeus
had a trial (teaser) app, and that one didn't manage
to list everything in my Programs and Features listing.


Again with Linux nothing extra needed and usually takes me an under an
hour to restore my stuff. Windows takes days...and I have even expedited
some of my settings with REG files and scripts.


--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com