A Windows XP help forum. PCbanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PCbanter forum » Microsoft Windows XP » The Basics
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Defrag Tools



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old March 27th 09, 03:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
......
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 6
Default Defrag Tools

On Mar 26, 6:09*pm, "Olórin"
wrote:
...... wrote:
Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I like
defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for the job
but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my system to
boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows built-in defrag
can do the job for me.


regards
Leo


"I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my system to boost its
speed" - that's not going to help, unless:

1) the software is set to run at Windows' start-up and consumes resources
or
2) you're REALLY down to close-to-zero free space and getting warnings from
Windows about that

Or, circuitously, if you're low on free space and XP's defragmenter can't
start/complete properly, then removing enough unnecessary software might
free up enough space to let it run and thereby improve performance - but I
don't think that's really what you're after.

There are far more worthwhile things to look into to improve speed - check
through this group for previous posts with guidance on that.


Nothing like 1 or 2 but I do a lot of numerical computing using
MATLAB. So I want my PC to be at its best. Last time I installed
webshots and system slowed down a little. Office 2007 also slowed down
the system. So I try to minimize the use of fancy software.
Ads
  #62  
Old March 27th 09, 04:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default OT Defrag Tools

deerslayer wrote:
Jose wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:37 am, "......" wrote:
Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I
like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for
the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my
system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows
built-in defrag can do the job for me.

regards
Leo


...oh yeah, after running whatever gets run to defragment, that after
picture sure looks good - not so much red stuff as in the before
picture, so this tells me that the defragment really did the job and.
I told you! Look how fast it is now! (they say).

But after a short while... Wait - my computer is slow again or even
worse and I only recovered .01% free space. Therefore I must need a
better defragment tool.


Why would you expect defragging to give you more disk space? Where
would that space come from? You don't seem to understand the concept
of defragging. The process doesn't magically give you more room on
your hard drive.


And why would you be so ignorant as to think everyone else in the world
knows not only what you know, or would even know the basics of
fragmentation, etc.. That he hasn't misinterpreted something read,been
given false information elsewhere, and so on?? Or are you just on a
trolling mission looking for an arguement about 0.01% recovery in the
free space?

You're right in that fragmentation won't make any measurable difference
is space occupied when measured with the system's own tools, but are you
positive there are not things at work which DO end up with very small
and negligible space recovery? I am.

When you have nothing to say, that's exactly what you should say.
I've no intention of responding further to any of your foolishness here,
either.


  #63  
Old March 27th 09, 04:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default OT Defrag Tools

deerslayer wrote:
Jose wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:37 am, "......" wrote:
Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I
like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for
the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my
system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows
built-in defrag can do the job for me.

regards
Leo


...oh yeah, after running whatever gets run to defragment, that after
picture sure looks good - not so much red stuff as in the before
picture, so this tells me that the defragment really did the job and.
I told you! Look how fast it is now! (they say).

But after a short while... Wait - my computer is slow again or even
worse and I only recovered .01% free space. Therefore I must need a
better defragment tool.


Why would you expect defragging to give you more disk space? Where
would that space come from? You don't seem to understand the concept
of defragging. The process doesn't magically give you more room on
your hard drive.


And why would you be so ignorant as to think everyone else in the world
knows not only what you know, or would even know the basics of
fragmentation, etc.. That he hasn't misinterpreted something read,been
given false information elsewhere, and so on?? Or are you just on a
trolling mission looking for an arguement about 0.01% recovery in the
free space?

You're right in that fragmentation won't make any measurable difference
is space occupied when measured with the system's own tools, but are you
positive there are not things at work which DO end up with very small
and negligible space recovery? I am.

When you have nothing to say, that's exactly what you should say.
I've no intention of responding further to any of your foolishness here,
either.


  #64  
Old March 27th 09, 04:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Thanks!

THE C. [MS MVP] wrote:
O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth,
space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional.
Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best
choice.

Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 7:27 PM:
Big_Al wrote:
Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each
legend on the screen represented, but that went the way of the
dinosaur when drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over
Windows built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of
virus signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com



If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free
one. It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process
overall. There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever
shows is that the computer is doing something. Accurate it most
definitely isn't..


Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in
its graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster.
I find it quite nice.

O&O? What's its branded name? I might like to look at that but
can't find anything similar to O&O.
Thanks,
Twayne


http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/S...-Edition.shtml
This is version 11, and I have a much older copy. But I'm sure
this is it. That's Oh and Oh, not zero & zero by the way.




  #65  
Old March 27th 09, 04:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Thanks!

THE C. [MS MVP] wrote:
O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth,
space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional.
Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best
choice.

Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 7:27 PM:
Big_Al wrote:
Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each
legend on the screen represented, but that went the way of the
dinosaur when drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over
Windows built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of
virus signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com



If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free
one. It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process
overall. There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever
shows is that the computer is doing something. Accurate it most
definitely isn't..


Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in
its graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster.
I find it quite nice.

O&O? What's its branded name? I might like to look at that but
can't find anything similar to O&O.
Thanks,
Twayne


http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/S...-Edition.shtml
This is version 11, and I have a much older copy. But I'm sure
this is it. That's Oh and Oh, not zero & zero by the way.




  #66  
Old March 27th 09, 04:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Leythos wrote:
In article , THEC.
@MSN.COM says...
O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth,
space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional.
Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best
choice.


I'll stick with JKDefrag and not have to pay for a third-party tool
that does things that are unneeded.

A batch file that launches the defrag on a weekly basis, that can pack
large files and leave gaps to improve performance is all that you
need.


It does make a noticeable difference, I agree. Once you get past the
first defrag it's a smoother operation from then on and faster to
perform on the same schedules as before.
I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially
rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you
enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you want
to move on to the next project and unless the last render went over a
couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to get a cup of
coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than waiting for water to
boil!

Cheers,

Twayne




  #67  
Old March 27th 09, 04:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Leythos wrote:
In article , THEC.
@MSN.COM says...
O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth,
space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional.
Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best
choice.


I'll stick with JKDefrag and not have to pay for a third-party tool
that does things that are unneeded.

A batch file that launches the defrag on a weekly basis, that can pack
large files and leave gaps to improve performance is all that you
need.


It does make a noticeable difference, I agree. Once you get past the
first defrag it's a smoother operation from then on and faster to
perform on the same schedules as before.
I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially
rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you
enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you want
to move on to the next project and unless the last render went over a
couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to get a cup of
coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than waiting for water to
boil!

Cheers,

Twayne




  #70  
Old March 27th 09, 06:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
deerslayer[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 29
Default OT Defrag Tools

Twayne wrote:
deerslayer wrote:
Jose wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:37 am, "......" wrote:
Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I
like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for
the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form
my system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows
built-in defrag can do the job for me.

regards
Leo

...oh yeah, after running whatever gets run to defragment, that
after picture sure looks good - not so much red stuff as in the
before picture, so this tells me that the defragment really did the
job and. I told you! Look how fast it is now! (they say).

But after a short while... Wait - my computer is slow again or even
worse and I only recovered .01% free space. Therefore I must need a
better defragment tool.


Why would you expect defragging to give you more disk space? Where
would that space come from? You don't seem to understand the concept
of defragging. The process doesn't magically give you more room on
your hard drive.


And why would you be so ignorant as to think everyone else in the
world knows not only what you know, or would even know the basics of
fragmentation, etc.. That he hasn't misinterpreted something
read,been given false information elsewhere, and so on?? Or are you
just on a trolling mission looking for an arguement about 0.01%
recovery in the free space?

You're right in that fragmentation won't make any measurable
difference is space occupied when measured with the system's own
tools, but are you positive there are not things at work which DO end
up with very small and negligible space recovery? I am.

When you have nothing to say, that's exactly what you should say.
I've no intention of responding further to any of your foolishness
here, either.


Thanks Twit....


  #71  
Old March 27th 09, 06:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
deerslayer[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 29
Default OT Defrag Tools

Twayne wrote:
deerslayer wrote:
Jose wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:37 am, "......" wrote:
Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I
like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for
the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form
my system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows
built-in defrag can do the job for me.

regards
Leo

...oh yeah, after running whatever gets run to defragment, that
after picture sure looks good - not so much red stuff as in the
before picture, so this tells me that the defragment really did the
job and. I told you! Look how fast it is now! (they say).

But after a short while... Wait - my computer is slow again or even
worse and I only recovered .01% free space. Therefore I must need a
better defragment tool.


Why would you expect defragging to give you more disk space? Where
would that space come from? You don't seem to understand the concept
of defragging. The process doesn't magically give you more room on
your hard drive.


And why would you be so ignorant as to think everyone else in the
world knows not only what you know, or would even know the basics of
fragmentation, etc.. That he hasn't misinterpreted something
read,been given false information elsewhere, and so on?? Or are you
just on a trolling mission looking for an arguement about 0.01%
recovery in the free space?

You're right in that fragmentation won't make any measurable
difference is space occupied when measured with the system's own
tools, but are you positive there are not things at work which DO end
up with very small and negligible space recovery? I am.

When you have nothing to say, that's exactly what you should say.
I've no intention of responding further to any of your foolishness
here, either.


Thanks Twit....


  #72  
Old March 27th 09, 09:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...
I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially
rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you
enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you
want to move on to the next project and unless the last render went
over a couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to
get a cup of coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than
waiting for water to boil!



Actually, that's not bad advice; thanks for you time.

You should consider RAID-0 for your video drive and RAID-1 for your OS
if this is a work/money computer.


It's more accurately described as a "pocket money" computerg. I'm
retired for health reasons so some of the niceties get skipped until the
"pocket" can afford more toys. I'm after another external drive next,
but there should be a little left over, so maybe that'll go toward
another drive for a RAID Config.

I'm not sure though how RAID-0 would help that much? I must still be
more ignorant of the subject than I though; care to clarify a bit
please?


You also want to make sure that you defrag and leave space, gap,
between fixed files and editable files - JKDefrag is the best tool
I've seen for this method, it will make a difference in your case.


Done. And yes, it does make a difference.
As for the video drive, it starts out as a blank slate after each time
a project completes. Data gets archived, sent to DVDs for shipment, and
then formatted prior to starting each project. A copy of the Master
lives on another, separate drive along with transitions, scene changes,
things like that, and scratches/renders/interim edits and final output
live on the video drive. When I have to do an interim or intermediate
defrag, which as I said is often, the defragger gives me three areas on
the disks; Gaps are set between each of the three sets, resulting in two
largish gaps depending. That way I can send the mostly unused, but
kept, interim renders on the outside of the disk. Visually at leastg.

Are you also a serious video editor?

Cheers,

Twayne




  #73  
Old March 27th 09, 09:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...
I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially
rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you
enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you
want to move on to the next project and unless the last render went
over a couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to
get a cup of coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than
waiting for water to boil!



Actually, that's not bad advice; thanks for you time.

You should consider RAID-0 for your video drive and RAID-1 for your OS
if this is a work/money computer.


It's more accurately described as a "pocket money" computerg. I'm
retired for health reasons so some of the niceties get skipped until the
"pocket" can afford more toys. I'm after another external drive next,
but there should be a little left over, so maybe that'll go toward
another drive for a RAID Config.

I'm not sure though how RAID-0 would help that much? I must still be
more ignorant of the subject than I though; care to clarify a bit
please?


You also want to make sure that you defrag and leave space, gap,
between fixed files and editable files - JKDefrag is the best tool
I've seen for this method, it will make a difference in your case.


Done. And yes, it does make a difference.
As for the video drive, it starts out as a blank slate after each time
a project completes. Data gets archived, sent to DVDs for shipment, and
then formatted prior to starting each project. A copy of the Master
lives on another, separate drive along with transitions, scene changes,
things like that, and scratches/renders/interim edits and final output
live on the video drive. When I have to do an interim or intermediate
defrag, which as I said is often, the defragger gives me three areas on
the disks; Gaps are set between each of the three sets, resulting in two
largish gaps depending. That way I can send the mostly unused, but
kept, interim renders on the outside of the disk. Visually at leastg.

Are you also a serious video editor?

Cheers,

Twayne




  #74  
Old March 28th 09, 12:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
THE C. [MS MVP]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 71
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

If you want free then DiskKeeper is good. But O & O defrag is the best. Tests
prove this over and over... nothing compares to it! Google O & O 11 defrag
and you will see Olorin. Make it a great day.
--
Computer/Software Tech.


Charles Richmond
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/



"Olórin" wrote:

THE C. [MS MVP] wrote:
O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth,
space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional.
Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best
choice.

snip

Nonsense! Plenty of other defrag tools compare to it. In the same way as you
compare to a real MS MVP.

That's not to say that the comparison is necessarily favourable, mind...



  #75  
Old March 28th 09, 12:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
THE C. [MS MVP]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 71
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

If you want free then DiskKeeper is good. But O & O defrag is the best. Tests
prove this over and over... nothing compares to it! Google O & O 11 defrag
and you will see Olorin. Make it a great day.
--
Computer/Software Tech.


Charles Richmond
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/



"Olórin" wrote:

THE C. [MS MVP] wrote:
O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth,
space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional.
Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best
choice.

snip

Nonsense! Plenty of other defrag tools compare to it. In the same way as you
compare to a real MS MVP.

That's not to say that the comparison is necessarily favourable, mind...



 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off






All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 PCbanter.
The comments are property of their posters.