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On 1/13/2018 7:54 PM, Paul wrote:
Neil wrote: I see. What people in the world are doing only matters if it matches your opinion of what is worth doing. That's a ****-poor test design. Bud, if you add too many layers to a software stack, what are you testing exactly ? Which layer is broken ? Which layer sucks ? (rest snipped for irrelevance) That's a pretty off-the-wall attempt at obfuscation to avoid the point at hand. There are *many* things that *can* be done in Win10 that *can not be done in Win7*. Whether you or I want or need to do those things doesn't matter, because there are increasing numbers of people that do. Why not just hang out in a Win7 ng rather than impose such unjustifiable insults on people? -- best regards, Neil |
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Neil wrote:
On 1/13/2018 7:54 PM, Paul wrote: Neil wrote: I see. What people in the world are doing only matters if it matches your opinion of what is worth doing. That's a ****-poor test design. Bud, if you add too many layers to a software stack, what are you testing exactly ? Which layer is broken ? Which layer sucks ? (rest snipped for irrelevance) That's a pretty off-the-wall attempt at obfuscation to avoid the point at hand. There are *many* things that *can* be done in Win10 that *can not be done in Win7*. Whether you or I want or need to do those things doesn't matter, because there are increasing numbers of people that do. Why not just hang out in a Win7 ng rather than impose such unjustifiable insults on people? I'm here to correct mis-impressions. These OSes are mostly the same on *compute* performance. Time and again I see claims of clever optimization that simply don't exist. If you have an expensive enough platform, a multi-socket server motherboard, an Epyc, I'm willing to bet there is a difference between Win10 and Win7. For ordinary computers (quad core), the difference is zilch. One *computes* with the same speed as the other. Computing meaning numerical calculations, which the OS plays no part in. The OS schedules and gives the process time slices, and the process does the rest. If the OS is not generous with time slices (it reserves cycles for itself), your compute speed suffers. This can be solved on Windows 10 by forking more threads than virtual cores (a.k.a over-subscription). This is a technique the Chromium build environment uses, in spades. for other parts, again, there can be differences. DX12 is 30% faster than DX11. I have no games and haven't tested that claim. But it makes sense, since one version of DirectX managed individual "objects" (many context switches), while a later one switched back to game-designer-controlled display lists. If you have a game that support both DX flavors, you can switch between them and check for a speed difference. The difference could be significant. As I'm not a gamer, I don't particularly care at the moment, which DirectX version was a mistake, but for a gamer, this does give an incentive to move to an OS that supports the "good" version of DirectX. But other stuff, you'd have to craft a pretty careful test case, to state with any authority that the new OS is actually better. It's merely different, a few deck chairs moved around and so on. Buttery smooth animation is great for content consumption (copying what smartphones look like), but unnecessary for content creation. Or anything requiring close-to-the-iron performance. I'm from the club, that years ago when Apple had ZoomRects, I and other users turned it off. That was an example of a (not very smooth) window opening animation. The joke at the time was "I got a second of my life back", referring to the time it took for the animation to play, and for the Windows to open. I'm consistent today, with the belief that buttery animations for things aren't necessary, but I guess somebody likes them. They don't work well on computers that use the Basic Display Adapter driver (which include virtual machine usage, it makes the Guest slower). Paul |
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On 2018-01-13, Ken Blake wrote:
You're saying it much more strongly than I would, but I generally agree. But as far as I'm concerned, much the same is true of most software. In my experience most sofware by default does not try to "get to know you" by gathering as much information as possible and forwarding it to the mother ship. As far as I'm concerned, that alone is sufficient reason for the harshest possible criticism. If such "features" are to be included at all they should be opt-in rather than default. Since I don't use Windows myself it's not an issue on my own computers, but I deal with it in the field for others. When Cortana starts spouting off during initial setup it makes me want to pull an Elvis and just shoot the screen out. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-01-13, Ken Blake wrote: You're saying it much more strongly than I would, but I generally agree. But as far as I'm concerned, much the same is true of most software. In my experience most sofware by default does not try to "get to know you" by gathering as much information as possible and forwarding it to the mother ship. As far as I'm concerned, that alone is sufficient reason for the harshest possible criticism. If such "features" are to be included at all they should be opt-in rather than default. Since I don't use Windows myself it's not an issue on my own computers, but I deal with it in the field for others. When Cortana starts spouting off during initial setup it makes me want to pull an Elvis and just shoot the screen out. When that happened the first time, I was not impressed. But on my second install, I found the button to dump the sound, and "peace returned to the valley" :-) You can always turn the volume down, but I never do that on the speakers themselves. I leave my speakers at one setting, and the computer end is supposed to do all the volume-type stuff. There's a button in the setup screen, to mute, and that solves the problem. ******* The problem is, for sound, the computer does not have absolutely "bulletproof" plug and play info. On the majority of hardware, it cannot tell the microphone is plugged in. Proper HDaudio jacks have a side contact, which tells the computer something is plugged in. Most computers use the older, cheaper jacks, which lack the side contact. Soundmax (Analog Devices) has a patented technique, where a 25KHz stimulus is connected to *inputs* to measure the impedance. This allows microphone detection, when side-contact info is missing. The Soundmax product stands a better chance of PNP on microphones. RealTek, buried deep in their datasheet, says in effect "we don't got that". There are also digital microphones... but nobody owns one :-) And I'm not referring to USB either. There is an actual serial bus style digital microphone, where the PNP should work quite well. I would suspect Microsoft just gave up, and had the Cortana prompt play anyway. For Accessibility or something. I doubt anyone would go out and buy a microphone just for Cortana, as it has to be a *good* microphone. My logitech headset, the mike on that is a joke, You have to rub the microphone on sandpaper, to get a signal, it is that insensitive :-/ $39.95 wasted. Don't buy a cheesy headset like I did, and expect to use it. Paul |
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"Paul" wrote
| You can always turn the volume down, but I never | do that on the speakers themselves. I leave my speakers | at one setting I don't even turn the speakers on unless I'm playing an mp3 or mp4. There's no other case where sound is relevant, but it can be distracting or even jarring. Yesterday morning I woke up to find my ladyfriend on the phone with "Microsoft tech support". She'd let them onto her system, they showed her the system error log and she paid them almost $500! It all started with a malware warning popup window when she was visiting a political news website. Part of what fooled her was that there was also audio. A voice told her that she needed to "call now!". I find it hard to believe that people put up with all this nonsense. It's bad enough to tolerate dancing ads on a website, but prattling robots on your computer?! (I didn't figure out where the popup came from, but the webpage was typical, with at least a half dozen ad/track/datamine javascript sources. There was also auction code connected with amazon-adsystem.com. I'm guessing the attackers are working by buying Amazon ads.) |
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Mayayana wrote:
Yesterday morning I woke up to find my ladyfriend on the phone with "Microsoft tech support". She'd let them onto her system, they showed her the system error log and she paid them almost $500! Have you done the credit card reversal yet ? I hope there was a recent backup, to restore over that mess. While they're not likely to leave something nasty on the victims machine, you can't take chances. Paul |
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"Paul" wrote
| Yesterday morning I woke up to find my ladyfriend | on the phone with "Microsoft tech support". She'd | let them onto her system, they showed her the | system error log and she paid them almost $500! | | Have you done the credit card reversal yet ? | Yes. She called them immediately and they said they'll block the charge as fraudulent. | I hope there was a recent backup, to restore | over that mess. While they're not likely to leave | something nasty on the victims machine, you can't | take chances. | I did a thorough check. The only change I could find was a new install of Firefox. I'm not sure what the point of that was. I removed all of it and re-installed that fresh. I've only dealt with this kind of thing once before, but in both cases they seemed to be concerned only with fooling people and getting money. In other words, they want your computer to work well when they get through because they don't want you to doubt their legitimacy and cancel the payment. |
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