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  #1  
Old August 19th 18, 06:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Did it install correctly?

I installed some software and the event viewer under Windows logs /
Application says "Installation success or error status 1603"

That's a pretty big difference! How come it doesn't know? Any chance
it was a success?

Is there any place to look for more details.

It's a driver program. I don't even know where drivers are usually
stored. Oh, yeah, maybe I do. Device manager. Vehicle Interface
Module. This device is working properly. Can it really say that
before the thing is connected to the car? Anyhow, no added information
here.

Used Anywhere to find all the files with ins log , install logs
and found two copies of winsat.log, one from an hour ago. What does
winsat mean? At any rate, that's another install that worked fine. (The
other is from 14 months ago, before I bought this laptop, and its in
C:\windows.old**, and it's only 1/4th as long.) **I can get rid of
this folder eventually, right?


Looking at any file with log in the name and sorting by date and
looking at files at 12:37AM, when the Event Viewer said I installed the
other program, I find files called
edb.log which I can't look at, in use by another program What is EDB?
Psi.log incomprehensible. What is PSI?
a minute later:
AVGUi.log in use. I know what AVG is, but I didnt' get a virus warning?
idpagent.log incomprehensible What is it, ID Page NT?


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  #2  
Old August 19th 18, 12:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Did it install correctly?

micky wrote:
I installed some software and the event viewer under Windows logs /
Application says "Installation success or error status 1603"

That's a pretty big difference! How come it doesn't know? Any chance
it was a success?


Maybe installshield keeps a log ?

What about Control Panels : Programs and Features ?

Does it have a new entry ?


Is there any place to look for more details.

It's a driver program. I don't even know where drivers are usually
stored. Oh, yeah, maybe I do. Device manager. Vehicle Interface
Module. This device is working properly. Can it really say that
before the thing is connected to the car? Anyhow, no added information
here.


Drivers are stored in a driver cache. The INF directory keeps
INF files which have been anonymised to prevent collisions.
If you look in "oem23.inf" you may find it's a copy of a
different-named file from the supplier. Doing a "content search"
on the INF files, using the right kind of search term, may
identify which INF did the device installation.

The Device Manager represents a registered loading of the
driver. Maybe the files come from the driver cache for
example.

You definitely need the right search tool at a time like
this. Windows Search is fine... if you configured it
correctly. For everything else, there's Agent Ransack.
Which is a brute force search, but will find stuff...
eventually.


Used Anywhere to find all the files with ins log , install logs
and found two copies of winsat.log, one from an hour ago. What does
winsat mean? At any rate, that's another install that worked fine. (The
other is from 14 months ago, before I bought this laptop, and its in
C:\windows.old**, and it's only 1/4th as long.) **I can get rid of
this folder eventually, right?


Winsat, it's hard to tell if it's deprecated or not. It's a
performance evaluation of your hardware. "A fast processor
is a 6". It used to be popular in some cultures years ago,
to post the benchmarks for your particular hardware,
as a form of bragging. "My SSD is 8, your HDD is 6."
I'm not sure what this all has to do with running an
OS though. Maybe if you were a dumb ass, you'd
notice that the cheap video card you bought is slow.
What a surprise. Obvious tool is obvious.

In some cases, it may make it possible to determine
something is wrong with the driver config. For example,
if a video card was running a VESA driver (Microsoft
Basic Display Adapter), perhaps a WinSat number would
tweak the user to that fact. "Your video is 1 because
the current driver stinks." But because WinSat is almost
invisible now, what are the odds of that happening ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window...ssessment_Tool

It's almost like receiving a shoe shine, but not
being able to enjoy it, because it's pitched black
dark in here.



Looking at any file with log in the name and sorting by date and
looking at files at 12:37AM, when the Event Viewer said I installed the
other program, I find files called
edb.log which I can't look at, in use by another program What is EDB?
Psi.log incomprehensible. What is PSI?
a minute later:
AVGUi.log in use. I know what AVG is, but I didnt' get a virus warning?
idpagent.log incomprehensible What is it, ID Page NT?


Well, a file like Windows.edb, belongs to Windows Search.
It's an inverted index (indexes content) for searches.
The database type is ESE Jet Blue, a Microsoft favorite.
Having an edb.log implies something related to a
running copy of a database. So EDB means
"ESE Jet Blue DataBase".

*******

Perhaps psi.log belongs to Secunia PSI.

https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftw...od_but_bye_bye

*******

idpagentdetection.log
idpagent.log.*
secapi.log.*

located in C:\ProgramData\AVAST Software\Avast\log ?

Behavior Shield ?

*******

You are in a twisty place full of passages.
You were eaten by a grue.

"Zork's grues fear light and devour human adventurers,
making it impossible to explore the game's dark areas
without a light source."

Paul

  #3  
Old August 19th 18, 08:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Did it install correctly?

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 19 Aug 2018 07:05:07 -0400, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
I installed some software and the event viewer under Windows logs /
Application says "Installation success or error status 1603"

That's a pretty big difference! How come it doesn't know? Any chance
it was a success?


Maybe installshield keeps a log ?


As you saw later, I looked at everything with log in the name, although
I think all 4 I asked about continued to update

What about Control Panels : Programs and Features ?


I'll look. The laptop is folded up now.

Does it have a new entry ?


Is there any place to look for more details.

It's a driver program. I don't even know where drivers are usually
stored. Oh, yeah, maybe I do. Device manager. Vehicle Interface
Module. This device is working properly.**


**

Can it really say that
before the thing is connected to the car? Anyhow, no added information
here.


Drivers are stored in a driver cache. The INF directory keeps
INF files which have been anonymised to prevent collisions.
If you look in "oem23.inf" you may find it's a copy of a
different-named file from the supplier. Doing a "content search"
on the INF files, using the right kind of search term, may
identify which INF did the device installation.


I might be able to do that. And even if I get this working some other
way, I'll pursue the leads in this post.

This part is just a narrative. I'll get to questions later: I took
everything out to the car and although the driver I said above it says
**"is working properly" still was, another new device I hadn't seen in
the list before (I forget its name) had no driver. I had it search my
computer, no luck. I made the cell phone a hot spot and it spent a lot
of time looking online, but it found something. Then it spent a lot of
time downloading (with no indication of how many bytes, etc.)and then
iirc some measurable amount of time for installing. And it said it was
done, finished with no error message.

But when I looked in Device Manger under the device, it said the driver
needed updating, but the Update button, in fact all 3 buttons were
greyed out. Only the top button worked.

Later, the whole device disappeared from Device Manager. I unplugged
the car and pluggged it back in, but it still didn't reappear. This
means it will be harder to fix without going out to the car to see if
it's fixed.

Even one of the ebay reviews for this said that one had to get the
driver from Google, and I think there are a variety of possible drivers
online.

It's easier to install them on my desktop than the laptop (which is
folded up and takes up a lot of my deskspace when open.)

If I install drivers on a win10 desktop that have no use for the
desktop, does that matter? Is it just a tiny bit of harddrive space
and one or more entries in a list of drivers. So does that mean it
doesn't matter? OR, can I later uninstall drivers that have no use.

Usually I see a button for deleting drivers in device properties, but if
a driver has no device to go with, it won't be there, will it?


The Device Manager represents a registered loading of the
driver. Maybe the files come from the driver cache for
example.

You definitely need the right search tool at a time like
this. Windows Search is fine... if you configured it
correctly. For everything else, there's Agent Ransack.


I have Ransack. In fact, before I heard about the program, I
misunderstood the proper English meaning of ransack. I thought it
required that one make a mess, I thought that was the essence of it, not
the searching.

Which is a brute force search, but will find stuff...
eventually.


Used Anywhere to find all the files with ins log , install logs
and found two copies of winsat.log, one from an hour ago. What does
winsat mean? At any rate, that's another install that worked fine. (The
other is from 14 months ago, before I bought this laptop, and its in
C:\windows.old**, and it's only 1/4th as long.) **I can get rid of
this folder eventually, right?


Winsat, it's hard to tell if it's deprecated or not. It's a
performance evaluation of your hardware. "A fast processor
is a 6". It used to be popular in some cultures years ago,
to post the benchmarks for your particular hardware,
as a form of bragging. "My SSD is 8, your HDD is 6."
I'm not sure what this all has to do with running an
OS though. Maybe if you were a dumb ass, you'd
notice that the cheap video card you bought is slow.
What a surprise. Obvious tool is obvious.

In some cases, it may make it possible to determine
something is wrong with the driver config. For example,
if a video card was running a VESA driver (Microsoft
Basic Display Adapter), perhaps a WinSat number would
tweak the user to that fact. "Your video is 1 because
the current driver stinks." But because WinSat is almost
invisible now, what are the odds of that happening ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window...ssessment_Tool


I'll read this later.

It's almost like receiving a shoe shine, but not
being able to enjoy it, because it's pitched black
dark in here.


I used to shine my shoes, but it's hard to shine sneakers.



Looking at any file with log in the name and sorting by date and
looking at files at 12:37AM, when the Event Viewer said I installed the
other program, I find files called
edb.log which I can't look at, in use by another program What is EDB?
Psi.log incomprehensible. What is PSI?
a minute later:
AVGUi.log in use. I know what AVG is, but I didnt' get a virus warning?
idpagent.log incomprehensible What is it, ID Page NT?


Well, a file like Windows.edb, belongs to Windows Search.
It's an inverted index (indexes content) for searches.
The database type is ESE Jet Blue, a Microsoft favorite.
Having an edb.log implies something related to a
running copy of a database. So EDB means
"ESE Jet Blue DataBase".

*******

Perhaps psi.log belongs to Secunia PSI.

https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftw...od_but_bye_bye

*******

idpagentdetection.log
idpagent.log.*
secapi.log.*

located in C:\ProgramData\AVAST Software\Avast\log ?

Behavior Shield ?


That's what I need, a behavior shield. Although now that I'm older I
don't need it so much.

*******

You are in a twisty place full of passages.
You were eaten by a grue.

"Zork's grues fear light and devour human adventurers,
making it impossible to explore the game's dark areas
without a light source."

Paul


I'll let you know how it goes.
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Old August 19th 18, 10:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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micky wrote:


This part is just a narrative. I'll get to questions later: I took
everything out to the car and although the driver I said above it says
**"is working properly" still was, another new device I hadn't seen in
the list before (I forget its name) had no driver. I had it search my
computer, no luck. I made the cell phone a hot spot and it spent a lot
of time looking online, but it found something. Then it spent a lot of
time downloading (with no indication of how many bytes, etc.)and then
iirc some measurable amount of time for installing. And it said it was
done, finished with no error message.

But when I looked in Device Manger under the device, it said the driver
needed updating, but the Update button, in fact all 3 buttons were
greyed out. Only the top button worked.

Later, the whole device disappeared from Device Manager. I unplugged
the car and pluggged it back in, but it still didn't reappear. This
means it will be harder to fix without going out to the car to see if
it's fixed.

Even one of the ebay reviews for this said that one had to get the
driver from Google, and I think there are a variety of possible drivers
online.

It's easier to install them on my desktop than the laptop (which is
folded up and takes up a lot of my deskspace when open.)

If I install drivers on a win10 desktop that have no use for the
desktop, does that matter? Is it just a tiny bit of harddrive space
and one or more entries in a list of drivers. So does that mean it
doesn't matter? OR, can I later uninstall drivers that have no use.

Usually I see a button for deleting drivers in device properties, but if
a driver has no device to go with, it won't be there, will it?


Generally, leaving a driver sitting there, for a kind of
hardware that doesn't "compete" with any other similar
hardware, is OK. That's what the INF and VEN/DEV and
PNP codes are for. To prevent a driver from binding
to the wrong thing. The worst for this sort of thing,
is the touchpad filter driver, where sometimes the
sketchiest PNP info is used by the manufacturer.

You should give us some idea what the hardware is,
for more comments. If you had installed a USB hub, and
then connected the USB hub to a second device, you
would expect a "new hardware detection". For a lot
of other scenarios, you should have been able
to install all drivers in advance.

I know this is one of your OBDI devices (as you've been
on little car projects before), but it would help
to have something to Google for hints as to
what subsystems might be involved.

And no, it's not normal for Device Manager
entries to disappear. That implies a fuse opened
somewhere, and the datapath stopped working. Or worse.

See if the device has status LEDs, or a screen with
lighting, where you can determine from visual
symptoms, whether power is still present.

Paul
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Old August 22nd 18, 07:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Did it install correctly?

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 19 Aug 2018 17:21:29 -0400, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:


This part is just a narrative. I'll get to questions later: I took
everything out to the car and although the driver I said above it says
**"is working properly" still was, another new device I hadn't seen in
the list before (I forget its name) had no driver. I had it search my
computer, no luck. I made the cell phone a hot spot and it spent a lot
of time looking online, but it found something. Then it spent a lot of
time downloading (with no indication of how many bytes, etc.)and then
iirc some measurable amount of time for installing. And it said it was
done, finished with no error message.

But when I looked in Device Manger under the device, it said the driver
needed updating, but the Update button, in fact all 3 buttons were
greyed out. Only the top button worked.

Later, the whole device disappeared from Device Manager. I unplugged
the car and pluggged it back in, but it still didn't reappear. This
means it will be harder to fix without going out to the car to see if
it's fixed.

Even one of the ebay reviews for this said that one had to get the
driver from Google, and I think there are a variety of possible drivers
online.

It's easier to install them on my desktop than the laptop (which is
folded up and takes up a lot of my deskspace when open.)

If I install drivers on a win10 desktop that have no use for the
desktop, does that matter? Is it just a tiny bit of harddrive space
and one or more entries in a list of drivers. So does that mean it
doesn't matter? OR, can I later uninstall drivers that have no use.

Usually I see a button for deleting drivers in device properties, but if
a driver has no device to go with, it won't be there, will it?


Generally, leaving a driver sitting there, for a kind of
hardware that doesn't "compete" with any other similar
hardware, is OK.


That's good.

That's what the INF and VEN/DEV and
PNP codes are for. To prevent a driver from binding
to the wrong thing. The worst for this sort of thing,
is the touchpad filter driver, where sometimes the
sketchiest PNP info is used by the manufacturer.

You should give us some idea what the hardware is,


That's a little embarrassing, but you figured it out below anyhow.

for more comments. If you had installed a USB hub, and
then connected the USB hub to a second device, you
would expect a "new hardware detection". For a lot
of other scenarios, you should have been able
to install all drivers in advance.

I know this is one of your OBDI devices (as you've been
on little car projects before),


So I said what it was before? Then there is little point in not saying
so now. Yes, it's labeled Mini-VCI J2534 and it connects the laptop
with the OBD jack on cars since 1998? iirc.

My only defense is that buying the factory device is 500 or 700 dollars
and a year's subscription to the software is $1500. I think there was
the possibility of buying a weeks's use, but it was still going to be
800 dollar or more and all I want to do is stop the headlights from
staying on for 30 seconds (since I've had battery problems since my
first car) and have the fob unlock both doors at the same time.

See further rant below**.

But I'm making progress apace now, so please don't go to much trouble
for me, as you often do.

The error message when trying to install both the drivers that came with
the cable, that I ask about at the start of this thread, and the one I
just dl'd separately is the same.

"mini-vci driver for toyota tis setup ended prematurely"

so I googled that and got 2 hits, one from 2011 saying, "It doesn't
work" and one who say what follows

Note that I haven't done this yet and he might be wrong in my case, but
he says we've got 32 bit driver msi files for 64-bit systems and "The
MVCI driver repeatedly failed to install so after a quick search it
appeared that other people also had this issue when using 64 bit
versions of Windows 7, I was running 64 bit Windows 8."

Interestingly, the video that came with the device shows the use of
Win7. Are all win7 installs 64bit? Maybe not.

https://paulhartigan.net/2014/04/24/...4-bit-windows/
He got two replies one saying it worked and the sayign it didnt!

His advice: "The solution was very simple are required manually
extracting the MVCI driver, I used 7 zip which worked very well but the
are many other applications that will extract this installer. The steps
are as follows:

Create the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\XHorse Electronics\MVCI
Driver for Toyota TIS
Open the file MVCI Driver for TOYOTA.msi with 7zip and extract to
the folder you created.
Browse to the folder with Windows Explorer.
Right click on the file ftdiport.inf and select install.
Right click on the file ftdibus.inf and select install.

Connect the Mini VCI cable and run the application FirmwareUpdateTool
and click the Device Info button. If your device is showing as
connected then it is ready to be used with Techstream."

This was certainly worthwhile. For one thing, among the 28 files in the
..msi file, there was a pdf user manual, that I'm not sure I would have
seen otherwise and might be useful to see in advance. Plus it
extracted the FirmwareUpdateTool which I had seen mentioned before but
couldn't find with google.

WAIT. THEY SEEM TO EXPECT ME TO UPDATE THE FIRMWARE IN THE CABLE. THAT
SEEMS LIKE A BAD IDEA TO ME. ?????

??????????

Well, I didn't get to that step. I coudln't even get past the two
install .inf steps. It says, in win7, "The INF file you selected does
not support this method of installation. "

So if the guy was right in the first place, that it's a 32-bit install
package for a 64 bit system, Is there anything I can do to install the
drivers? Sevenforums article says ". Try opening device manager,
selecting the Monitor in question, then select update driver, and then
"Browse My Computer" to the inf file." Whether that works or not, I
should have thought of it. Well, the device doesn't show up, so I
think I have to go down to the car and connect not just the cable but
the car. That was the only time it showed up,although not always then.
:-) .

I guess I've never extracted an msi file before. I like them because I
don't have to do that. ;-)

All the files are from 2009, a little after Win7 came out.


but it would help
to have something to Google for hints as to
what subsystems might be involved.

And no, it's not normal for Device Manager
entries to disappear. That implies a fuse opened
somewhere, and the datapath stopped working. Or worse.

See if the device has status LEDs,


N.. Oh, it does have a red power light.

or a screen with
lighting,


Nope

where you can determine from visual
symptoms, whether power is still present.

Paul


I'll get back to you with a progress report.



**I could go to Toyota but the only time I've had work done there, wheel
aligmment after I replaced the right half axle, they tried to cheat me.
They told me I needed new CV joints for both sides, even though the side
I'd done had only 15 miles on it, and the other side I jacked up the car
special and felt all over and it was like new. Plus they claimed I had
a large oil leak, even though 6 months later, I still needed less than a
1/4 quart. And other things they said I needed that I didn't. I knew
they wouldn't give me any money since I hadn't fallen for their lies,
but I coudln't figure out what I wanted instead. Changing these
settings would be something to ask for, but the dealership has been sold
so they won't feel they owe me anything. I suspect the same mechanics
work there.

And even if I asked them to do it, I don't know what all can be done,
don't understand the effect of somethings, and I might want to undo
something, which means a second trip and another charge, and it would be
totally unsatisfying.
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Old August 22nd 18, 08:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:34:03 -0400, micky
wrote:


**I could go to Toyota but the only time I've had work done there, wheel
aligmment after I replaced the right half axle, they tried to cheat me.
They told me I needed new CV joints for both sides, even though the side
I'd done had only 15 miles on it, and the other side I jacked up the car
special and felt all over and it was like new. Plus they claimed I had
a large oil leak, even though 6 months later, I still needed less than a
1/4 quart. And other things they said I needed that I didn't.




You should not blame Toyota for your experience with a particular
Toyota dealer. They are not all necessarily the same, and even the
various departments at a single dealer are not necessarily the same.

In the town in which I live, there are two Toyota dealers. A number of
years ago, I went to one of them to get a price on a new Camry. The
salesman I dealt with was fine, but when I asked him to give me his
best price, he said he couldn't, and had to get his manager. I said OK
and his manager, a sleazeball, came to the table where my wife and I
were sitting and said "I hear you want our best price." I said yes,
and he said "about x thousand" (I don't remember the exact number). I
said I asked for your best price, not some "about" amount. He said "I
gave you our best price." I said "no you didn't," and I walked out. I
went to the other Toyota dealer and bought a car from them. I've
bought a couple of other Toyotas from that second dealer since then,
but I never went back to that first dealer again.

But that first Toyota dealer is nearer our home than the one I bought
from, so I've often used them for service. They've been fine for that.
  #7  
Old August 22nd 18, 08:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Did it install correctly?

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:06:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:34:03 -0400, micky
wrote:


**I could go to Toyota but the only time I've had work done there, wheel
aligmment after I replaced the right half axle, they tried to cheat me.
They told me I needed new CV joints for both sides, even though the side
I'd done had only 15 miles on it, and the other side I jacked up the car
special and felt all over and it was like new. Plus they claimed I had
a large oil leak, even though 6 months later, I still needed less than a
1/4 quart. And other things they said I needed that I didn't.




You should not blame Toyota for your experience with a particular
Toyota dealer. They are not all necessarily the same, and even the
various departments at a single dealer are not necessarily the same.


True. I regret that I didn't go to them, before they were sold. Long
story why I didn't.


In the town in which I live, there are two Toyota dealers. A number of
years ago, I went to one of them to get a price on a new Camry. The
salesman I dealt with was fine, but when I asked him to give me his
best price, he said he couldn't, and had to get his manager. I said OK
and his manager, a sleazeball, came to the table where my wife and I
were sitting and said "I hear you want our best price." I said yes,
and he said "about x thousand" (I don't remember the exact number). I
said I asked for your best price, not some "about" amount. He said "I
gave you our best price."


What an absurd answer.

I said "no you didn't," and I walked out. I
went to the other Toyota dealer and bought a car from them. I've
bought a couple of other Toyotas from that second dealer since then,
but I never went back to that first dealer again.

But that first Toyota dealer is nearer our home than the one I bought
from, so I've often used them for service. They've been fine for that.


My mother had only bought one car, a '58 Ford with an Interceptor
engine, a demonstrator which she figured she got a good price on. I was
maybe 12 then.

When she needed another, she negotiated about details and got a price
and went home, called an hour later to say she'd take it, and wanted to
review the accessories included. Wheel covers. He said he never said
wheel covers. She said he did. No deal.

The next day she went to the other Chrysler dealer, much farther away,
found the same car with all the earlier accessories but a better color
and for slightly less money. Bought it on the spot.

(It was on the south side of town but when she took it in, she'd take
the bus downtown and go shopping until it was ready, in Indianapolis
which still has major department stores in the heart of town. And
certainly did in 1965.

The second dealer was the father of the first dealer. Jerry Alderman
comes to mind but that seems to be followed by Ford. Yes, he's still in
business, but neither Chrysler dealer is. 3 others new ones are.)
  #8  
Old August 22nd 18, 09:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:37:10 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:06:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:34:03 -0400, micky
wrote:


**I could go to Toyota but the only time I've had work done there, wheel
aligmment after I replaced the right half axle, they tried to cheat me.
They told me I needed new CV joints for both sides, even though the side
I'd done had only 15 miles on it, and the other side I jacked up the car
special and felt all over and it was like new. Plus they claimed I had
a large oil leak, even though 6 months later, I still needed less than a
1/4 quart. And other things they said I needed that I didn't.




You should not blame Toyota for your experience with a particular
Toyota dealer. They are not all necessarily the same, and even the
various departments at a single dealer are not necessarily the same.


True. I regret that I didn't go to them, before they were sold. Long
story why I didn't.


In the town in which I live, there are two Toyota dealers. A number of
years ago, I went to one of them to get a price on a new Camry. The
salesman I dealt with was fine, but when I asked him to give me his
best price, he said he couldn't, and had to get his manager. I said OK
and his manager, a sleazeball, came to the table where my wife and I
were sitting and said "I hear you want our best price." I said yes,
and he said "about x thousand" (I don't remember the exact number). I
said I asked for your best price, not some "about" amount. He said "I
gave you our best price."


What an absurd answer.

I said "no you didn't," and I walked out. I
went to the other Toyota dealer and bought a car from them. I've
bought a couple of other Toyotas from that second dealer since then,
but I never went back to that first dealer again.

But that first Toyota dealer is nearer our home than the one I bought
from, so I've often used them for service. They've been fine for that.


My mother had only bought one car, a '58 Ford with an Interceptor
engine, a demonstrator which she figured she got a good price on. I was
maybe 12 then.

When she needed another, she negotiated about details and got a price
and went home, called an hour later to say she'd take it, and wanted to
review the accessories included. Wheel covers. He said he never said
wheel covers. She said he did. No deal.

The next day she went to the other Chrysler dealer, much farther away,
found the same car with all the earlier accessories but a better color
and for slightly less money. Bought it on the spot.

(It was on the south side of town but when she took it in, she'd take
the bus downtown and go shopping until it was ready, in Indianapolis
which still has major department stores in the heart of town. And
certainly did in 1965.

The second dealer was the father of the first dealer. Jerry Alderman
comes to mind but that seems to be followed by Ford. Yes, he's still in
business, but neither Chrysler dealer is. 3 others new ones are.)



My favorite car dealer story is one I may have told here befo

My son, who was about 21 at the time, wanted to buy a new car. My wife
and I went with him to a Mitsubishi dealer. We went for a test drive,
he liked the car, and we then sat down with the salesman to negotiate.

I said "give us your best price." He said "No, that's not the way we
do it here. We don't give you a price; you make us an offer and we
either accept it or not."

I said, "no, that's not the way *we* do it. Either give us a price or
we're out of here." He said "sorry, that's not the way we do it."

I said "I'll give you one more chance to give us a price. If you don't
and we stand up, we won't sit down again."

He said "Sorry, we don't do that."

I sighed and said "OK." We got up and walked to the door. As I touched
the doorknob, I heard behind me "$16,500." We didn't turn around. As
we walked across the parking lot, I heard "16,000," then "15,500."
(Those numbers might be misremembered but the exact numbers aren't
really pertinent to the story). We ignored him.

Considering his attitude, It gave me great pleasure to walk out on
him. I guess he had never heard that the customer is always right.

We drove to another dealer where my son bought a car.
  #9  
Old August 22nd 18, 10:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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micky wrote:

Create the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\XHorse Electronics\MVCI
Driver for Toyota TIS
Open the file MVCI Driver for TOYOTA.msi with 7zip and extract to
the folder you created.
Browse to the folder with Windows Explorer.
Right click on the file ftdiport.inf and select install.
Right click on the file ftdibus.inf and select install.


I got a copy of the file.

A scan on Virustotal, revealed the firmware updater EXE is
protected with Themida. This thread shows what happens. Themida
doesn't have a back door so the AV companies can scan the plaintext.

https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thre...hemida.184840/

The installer is basically installing an FTDI USB-to-serial-port
adapter. The serial chip is a 28 pin SSOP FT232RL. That leaves
one quad chip on the other side of the dongle, which is the
intelligence.

The VCI stands for "Virtual Communication Interface", and FTDI
allows assigning a COM number to an FTDI dongle. I believe the
idea is, if you move the USB cable to another USB port on the
same computer, it continues to remember the port is COM4. There
is "partial PNP" information which is "assigned" by the driver
to the chip, when you first set the value to COM4.

It's hard to say where the firmware goes. The
board does have a couple small eight pin packages,
one of which could be a serial EEPROM. Or, the flash
could be inside the main chip.

I can't see a part number on the main chip. There's a claim an
ARM chip is inside the thing, but that seems unlikely without
external RAM and ROM. It would have to be a dinky version of ARM.
Usually stuff that small, the processor is an 8085 or equivalent.
Maybe they chose ARM, because the chip had flash and RAM inside
as well, and it was a "cheap SOC" of some sort. I can't make
out a part number, so that's just a guess at the moment.

*******

If you're running AV software, you could be getting gunned
down in your tracks due to "FirmwareUpdateTool.exe". There's
no reason for the FTDI drivers to be detected - it's even
possible the OS could hold a driver for those. But whatever
talks to the main chip, that software might be protected,
and it might set off your AV software and cause the entire
MSI installation procedure to fail.

I probably have those two FTDI drivers installed on
the OS I'm typing on, as I own three serial dongles,
and the two on the machine right now are FTDI. One used
to run a dialup modem (retired), the other talks to
my APC UPS (auto-shutdown).

When an off-brand AV scans the FirmwareUpdateTool.exe file,
it sees random binary rubbish instead of normal PE32 fields,
which is the Themida packer. Even if you turned off your AV
long enough for the install to finish, every time the
program starts (and the EXE loads), the AV is going to blast it.
It's not that it is virulent, just that the AV "can't look
inside" and it assumes the worst.

Paul
  #10  
Old August 22nd 18, 11:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
123456789[_2_]
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Default Did it install correctly?

On 8/22/2018 12:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

In the town in which I live, there are two Toyota dealers. A number
of years ago, I went to one of them to get a price on a new Camry.
The salesman I dealt with was fine, but when I asked him to give me
his best price, he said he couldn't, and had to get his manager.


These days there are several places on the Internet where you can find
the approximate price you should pay at a dealership. I've found it very
handy info for negotiating (haggling) a car's price. On one occasion
when they wouldn't take my (found on the Internet) price offer I walked.
They called back the next day an took my offer. I realize that a dealer
has to make a profit to stay in business but I like to cut that down as
much as possible...
  #11  
Old August 23rd 18, 12:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:50:07 -0700, 123456789
wrote:

On 8/22/2018 12:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

In the town in which I live, there are two Toyota dealers. A number
of years ago, I went to one of them to get a price on a new Camry.
The salesman I dealt with was fine, but when I asked him to give me
his best price, he said he couldn't, and had to get his manager.


These days there are several places on the Internet where you can find
the approximate price you should pay at a dealership. I've found it very
handy info for negotiating (haggling) a car's price. On one occasion
when they wouldn't take my (found on the Internet) price offer I walked.
They called back the next day an took my offer. I realize that a dealer
has to make a profit to stay in business but I like to cut that down as
much as possible...




Yes, I do that all the time. I didn't mention it in the message quoted
above because it wasn't really pertinent to the story I was telling.
  #12  
Old August 23rd 18, 01:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Did it install correctly?

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:23:31 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:37:10 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:06:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:34:03 -0400, micky
wrote:


**I could go to Toyota but the only time I've had work done there, wheel
aligmment after I replaced the right half axle, they tried to cheat me.
They told me I needed new CV joints for both sides, even though the side
I'd done had only 15 miles on it, and the other side I jacked up the car
special and felt all over and it was like new. Plus they claimed I had
a large oil leak, even though 6 months later, I still needed less than a
1/4 quart. And other things they said I needed that I didn't.



You should not blame Toyota for your experience with a particular
Toyota dealer. They are not all necessarily the same, and even the
various departments at a single dealer are not necessarily the same.


True. I regret that I didn't go to them, before they were sold. Long
story why I didn't.


In the town in which I live, there are two Toyota dealers. A number of
years ago, I went to one of them to get a price on a new Camry. The
salesman I dealt with was fine, but when I asked him to give me his
best price, he said he couldn't, and had to get his manager. I said OK
and his manager, a sleazeball, came to the table where my wife and I
were sitting and said "I hear you want our best price." I said yes,
and he said "about x thousand" (I don't remember the exact number). I
said I asked for your best price, not some "about" amount. He said "I
gave you our best price."


What an absurd answer.

I said "no you didn't," and I walked out. I
went to the other Toyota dealer and bought a car from them. I've
bought a couple of other Toyotas from that second dealer since then,
but I never went back to that first dealer again.

But that first Toyota dealer is nearer our home than the one I bought
from, so I've often used them for service. They've been fine for that.


My mother had only bought one car, a '58 Ford with an Interceptor
engine, a demonstrator which she figured she got a good price on. I was
maybe 12 then.

When she needed another, she negotiated about details and got a price
and went home, called an hour later to say she'd take it, and wanted to
review the accessories included. Wheel covers. He said he never said
wheel covers. She said he did. No deal.

The next day she went to the other Chrysler dealer, much farther away,
found the same car with all the earlier accessories but a better color
and for slightly less money. Bought it on the spot.

(It was on the south side of town but when she took it in, she'd take
the bus downtown and go shopping until it was ready, in Indianapolis
which still has major department stores in the heart of town. And
certainly did in 1965.

The second dealer was the father of the first dealer. Jerry Alderman
comes to mind but that seems to be followed by Ford. Yes, he's still in
business, but neither Chrysler dealer is. 3 others new ones are.)



My favorite car dealer story is one I may have told here befo

My son, who was about 21 at the time, wanted to buy a new car. My wife
and I went with him to a Mitsubishi dealer. We went for a test drive,
he liked the car, and we then sat down with the salesman to negotiate.

I said "give us your best price." He said "No, that's not the way we
do it here. We don't give you a price; you make us an offer and we
either accept it or not."

I said, "no, that's not the way *we* do it. Either give us a price or
we're out of here." He said "sorry, that's not the way we do it."

I said "I'll give you one more chance to give us a price. If you don't
and we stand up, we won't sit down again."

He said "Sorry, we don't do that."

I sighed and said "OK." We got up and walked to the door. As I touched
the doorknob, I heard behind me "$16,500." We didn't turn around. As
we walked across the parking lot, I heard "16,000," then "15,500."


LOL

(Those numbers might be misremembered but the exact numbers aren't
really pertinent to the story). We ignored him.

Considering his attitude, It gave me great pleasure to walk out on
him. I guess he had never heard that the customer is always right.

We drove to another dealer where my son bought a car.



Another flake.

When people ask me, "How much do you want to spend for the car?" I say
$5. Actually I'd rather pay even less but I don't want to look cheap.

When I first got to Baltimore I wanted to rent a big and there was a
house for rent and I called and I asked what the rent was, and he asked
what I wanted to pay. I saod You know more what your apartment is
worth than I do. But he didn't budge.


Even more than with a car, I'd have to deal with this guy every month
and every time something didn't work, so I just said Thank you. Bye.
 




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