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Old September 17th 18, 10:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
slate_leeper[_2_]
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Win-10-64bit-Pro


Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.

The DISM checkhealth option reported "no component store corruption
detected."

One website suggested shellexperiencehost being suspended might be
causing the problem, and that would show in TaskManager. TaskManager
does show Windows Shell Experience host as suspended, but again I
found no information on how to un-suspend.

Ideas?


-dan z-


Weird 2:
BTW, the two programs that I couldn,t get to autostart - Event Manager
and EaseUS Backup service - autostarted all by themselves on a reboot
this morning. Will see if that continues....


Weird 3:
The screen-saver has activated exactly six times in the last several
weeks, days apart except one wonderful day when it activated twice in
a row. No joy from Google on that one either. I tried all 10 suggested
"cures"." The best advice I found was "reconsider using a screen saver
at all."

Ah, love Windows-10.... Not looking for help on 2 and 3, just
reporting them as symptomatic of Win-10 stability.







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Old September 17th 18, 11:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Neil
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On 9/17/2018 5:55 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
Win-10-64bit-Pro


Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.

The DISM checkhealth option reported "no component store corruption
detected."

One website suggested shellexperiencehost being suspended might be
causing the problem, and that would show in TaskManager. TaskManager
does show Windows Shell Experience host as suspended, but again I
found no information on how to un-suspend.

Ideas?


-dan z-


Weird 2:
BTW, the two programs that I couldn,t get to autostart - Event Manager
and EaseUS Backup service - autostarted all by themselves on a reboot
this morning. Will see if that continues....


Weird 3:
The screen-saver has activated exactly six times in the last several
weeks, days apart except one wonderful day when it activated twice in
a row. No joy from Google on that one either. I tried all 10 suggested
"cures"." The best advice I found was "reconsider using a screen saver
at all."

Ah, love Windows-10.... Not looking for help on 2 and 3, just
reporting them as symptomatic of Win-10 stability.

As I've had none of these behaviors on any of my Win10 computers,
perhaps the root of the problem is with your computer(s) rather than
Windows10.

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Neil
  #3  
Old September 18th 18, 01:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Neil wrote:


As I've had none of these behaviors on any of my Win10 computers,
perhaps the root of the problem is with your computer(s) rather than
Windows10.


You do know, that there were *clean* installs of Windows 10
which malfunctioned out of the box. The root cause was
never reported that I could see. (The problem went on for
months, and then promptly disappeared again.) It looked like
a Tile Cache problem of some sort.

It's pretty sad when an OS cannot install consistently
out of the box.

I don't recollect that sort of thing happening in
the Win2K or WinXP era. With WinXP, it was weirdness
that would "grow" as the OS aged. (The clock balloon
that goes behind the Task Bar. Missing notification
icons. Sensitivity to the installation of shellex
menu items.) But the initial installation, worked
pretty consistently. If you didn't use hardware for
which a driver was in-box, that doesn't count... as
that's an "own goal". If you have an AHCI only storage
device, then present the AHCI driver that comes with
it, if you expect the OS installation to work.

If the track record on install success was better,
I'd have to agree with you. Unfortunately, it's
not as good as WinXP.

And there seem to be more problems, with Surface products.
Microsoft's own. Part of the issue there, was introducing
S0ix power management state, only on Surface products.
While the HPs and Dells of the world stood back and
watched the fun. The other OEMs weren't going to use
that, until it was more mature. So a Surface owner who
just paid a thousand for a machine, became a "test dummy".

Paul
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Old September 18th 18, 02:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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slate_leeper wrote:

Win-10-64bit-Pro

Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.

The DISM checkhealth option reported "no component store corruption
detected."

One website suggested shellexperiencehost being suspended might be
causing the problem, and that would show in TaskManager. TaskManager
does show Windows Shell Experience host as suspended, but again I
found no information on how to un-suspend.


Since you haven't looke at the Event Viewer to check, and to start
checking anew, I'd clear the events in Event Viewer and reboot. Then
look at Event Viewer to see what non-informational messages it had.

You could see if the inbuilt boot logging provides any clues. See:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...g-windows.html

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ware/test/wpt/
I saw users mentioned a setting that let you monitor boot-time logging
of performance, found at:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d-4216385c7ff3
https://helgeklein.com/blog/2013/07/...Speed=noscript

Of course, you could try booting Windows in its safe mode to see if the
boot lag problem goes away. If that worked, use msconfig.exe to disable
all startup programs and reboot into normal mode (but without all the
startup programs).
  #5  
Old September 18th 18, 02:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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slate_leeper wrote:
Win-10-64bit-Pro


Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.

The DISM checkhealth option reported "no component store corruption
detected."

One website suggested shellexperiencehost being suspended might be
causing the problem, and that would show in TaskManager. TaskManager
does show Windows Shell Experience host as suspended, but again I
found no information on how to un-suspend.

Ideas?


-dan z-


Weird 2:
BTW, the two programs that I couldn,t get to autostart - Event Manager
and EaseUS Backup service - autostarted all by themselves on a reboot
this morning. Will see if that continues....


Weird 3:
The screen-saver has activated exactly six times in the last several
weeks, days apart except one wonderful day when it activated twice in
a row. No joy from Google on that one either. I tried all 10 suggested
"cures"." The best advice I found was "reconsider using a screen saver
at all."

Ah, love Windows-10.... Not looking for help on 2 and 3, just
reporting them as symptomatic of Win-10 stability.


There is a suggestion here, that Runtime Broker has something
to do with suspending ShellExperienceHost.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...-bb7c69a1bfed#

And someone here, is clicking their left and right mouse buttons
at the same time, on the Start menu. Perhaps as an attempt to
unsuspend ShellExperienceHost or something.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ing-in-win-10/

As long as there are no technical descriptions, all we can
do is be amused by various kinds of Voodoo.

Paul
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Old September 18th 18, 04:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 9/17/2018 8:23 PM, Paul wrote:
Neil wrote:


As I've had none of these behaviors on any of my Win10 computers,
perhaps the root of the problem is with your computer(s) rather than
Windows10.


You do know, that there were *clean* installs of Windows 10
which malfunctioned out of the box. The root cause was
never reported that I could see. (The problem went on for
months, and then promptly disappeared again.) It looked like
a Tile Cache problem of some sort.

I don't see how that relates to the OP's comments or my reply.

It's pretty sad when an OS cannot install consistently
out of the box.

Is the OP's a "clean" install out of the box? I didn't see that in his
comments.

--
best regards,

Neil
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Old September 18th 18, 06:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
B00ze
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On 2018-09-17 17:55, slate_leeper wrote:

Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.


You could try to re-register the Start Menu. I haven't really searched
for anything else, but you could google "Reset Start Menu" - there are
ways to clear it, in case corruption is what's making those processes
sleep...

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

Regards,

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Old September 18th 18, 06:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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B00ze wrote:
On 2018-09-17 17:55, slate_leeper wrote:

Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.


You could try to re-register the Start Menu. I haven't really searched
for anything else, but you could google "Reset Start Menu" - there are
ways to clear it, in case corruption is what's making those processes
sleep...

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html


Regards,


At the bottom of the page you found, is another one.

*******

Published by Shawn Brink
01 Sep 2018

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

"startmenu.diagcab

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...bleshooter.zip

Open the Start_Menu_troubleshooter.zip file, and extract (drag and drop)
the startmenu.diagcab file to your desktop.
"

Dead link, but...

http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...rtmenu.diagcab

Looks like it came out in May 2016. And the file is now gone.
That's why Brink is offering it from his site. Archive.org still
has copies.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160601...rtmenu.diagcab

Paul
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Old September 18th 18, 01:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:55:34 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 17/09/2018 22:55, slate_leeper wrote:
Win-10-64bit-Pro



What is the specification of your machine and how old is it?


Dell XPS8930

i7 processor, 3.91 ghz
16mb Ram
2 Tb HD

OK with you?



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Old September 18th 18, 01:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Several more suggestions, Thanks, folks. I'll give 'em a try.

-dan z-


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Old September 18th 18, 01:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
SSD is a complete waste of money (& time) IMO.


Damn, you're not good, you're stupid.
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Old September 18th 18, 03:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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I now keep a log of everything I do with Win-10. The log indicates
that the start menu problem began immediately after installing updates
KB4100347 and KB4457128 on 8/15. So I uninstalled those. No joy, start
menu still the same.

Reverted the uninstall with System Restore. Now the start menu works.
What ?!?
That shouldn't have changed anything.

Task Manager still shows Cortana and Shell Experience Host as
"suspended." Apparently not the problem. I would still like to
un-suspend them if I can ever find out how.





On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:55:21 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:

Win-10-64bit-Pro


Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.

The DISM checkhealth option reported "no component store corruption
detected."

One website suggested shellexperiencehost being suspended might be
causing the problem, and that would show in TaskManager. TaskManager
does show Windows Shell Experience host as suspended, but again I
found no information on how to un-suspend.

Ideas?


-dan z-


Weird 2:
BTW, the two programs that I couldn,t get to autostart - Event Manager
and EaseUS Backup service - autostarted all by themselves on a reboot
this morning. Will see if that continues....


Weird 3:
The screen-saver has activated exactly six times in the last several
weeks, days apart except one wonderful day when it activated twice in
a row. No joy from Google on that one either. I tried all 10 suggested
"cures"." The best advice I found was "reconsider using a screen saver
at all."

Ah, love Windows-10.... Not looking for help on 2 and 3, just
reporting them as symptomatic of Win-10 stability.




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a nice contrast to the real world.
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Old September 18th 18, 04:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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slate_leeper wrote:

I now keep a log of everything I do with Win-10. The log indicates
that the start menu problem began immediately after installing updates
KB4100347 and KB4457128 on 8/15. So I uninstalled those. No joy, start
menu still the same.

Reverted the uninstall with System Restore. Now the start menu works.
What ?!?
That shouldn't have changed anything.

Task Manager still shows Cortana and Shell Experience Host as
"suspended." Apparently not the problem. I would still like to
un-suspend them if I can ever find out how.


Suspended processes are those not being used, not that they have been
disabled. Suspending processes has been available since Windows 7.
When a process is suspended, it can get immediately unloaded (no waiting
for graceful exit by the program) to reclaim its memory for something
else. Think of suspension like putting a call on hold: the phone is
still working but not busy until you go off hold but you could just hang
up if you needed to make another more critical call. A suspended
process can also be immediately be requested by a caller process.
Taking a process out of suspend state is a LOT faster than having to
load it into memory and then pass control to it to execute whatever
function the caller wants to use.

Did you ever reboot your computer after applying those updates? Not a
hybrid power state or anything that utilizes the hibernate file upon
Windows restart but a full shutdown and cold boot (where you see the
POST screen where you could go into BIOS screens or let the OS boot).
Updates can put files in a mixed state: some old ones got replaced with
new files but some old files remain to get replaced on Windows' restart
(the inuse files cannot get replaced until a shutdown or a startup of
Windows or both). A program with its files in mixed state may not
behave correctly. I always reboot after any Windows updates because of
the abnormalities that mixed state programs can encounter, even if I'm
not prompted to reboot. Some programmers think a mixed state program
should continue to function okay but they are testing on their testbeds,
not on your computer.
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Old September 19th 18, 11:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:55:34 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 17/09/2018 22:55, slate_leeper wrote:
Win-10-64bit-Pro



What is the specification of your machine and how old is it?

Your problem seems to be going on for months but we still don't know
whether your machine meets the basic requirements. The term "basic" is
a misnomer because you need at least 8GB ram and 500GB Hard disk space.
If you are using Visual Studios and Adobe Master Collection (old CS6) or
latest Creative Cloud Suite then you are talking about 1TB HD space.

If you are using SSD then forget it. You won't be able run Windows 10
on it because 256GB is not enough with all that software and regular
updates. I know people don't agree with this but I am speaking from
experience. My machine came with 256GBSSD and 2TB normal WD hard disk.
I foolishly installed Windows 10 Professional on SSD and the problem
started (for nearly 1 month). I then switched everything to 2TB HD and
the problem went away and I am very happy with the machine.

SSD is a complete waste of money (& time) IMO.


I'm running Windows 10 quite happily on 512 GB of SSD and 2 TB of HD.
Also 32 GB of RAM. And I'm running Adobe CC, PS and LR, quite happily.

I now keep spare 2TB HDs in my drawer and when 1809 comes out in
October, I might use one of them to do a clean install and start again
from scratch. It takes about 3 days for me because I need to install
all the different versions of Visual Studios and SQL servers for testing
purposes. It is worth it for me because then I know what exactly is the
problem if any. The old HD remains in drawer with all DATA intact so if
I need to revert to 1803 then it is easy. Simply switch the HD!!









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Old September 19th 18, 01:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:40:08 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

slate_leeper wrote:

I now keep a log of everything I do with Win-10. The log indicates
that the start menu problem began immediately after installing updates
KB4100347 and KB4457128 on 8/15. So I uninstalled those. No joy, start
menu still the same.

Reverted the uninstall with System Restore. Now the start menu works.
What ?!?
That shouldn't have changed anything.

Task Manager still shows Cortana and Shell Experience Host as
"suspended." Apparently not the problem. I would still like to
un-suspend them if I can ever find out how.


Suspended processes are those not being used, not that they have been
disabled. Suspending processes has been available since Windows 7.
When a process is suspended, it can get immediately unloaded (no waiting
for graceful exit by the program) to reclaim its memory for something
else. Think of suspension like putting a call on hold: the phone is
still working but not busy until you go off hold but you could just hang
up if you needed to make another more critical call. A suspended
process can also be immediately be requested by a caller process.
Taking a process out of suspend state is a LOT faster than having to
load it into memory and then pass control to it to execute whatever
function the caller wants to use.


Thank you for that explanation. I learn a lot from you folks.


Did you ever reboot your computer after applying those updates? Not a
hybrid power state or anything that utilizes the hibernate file upon
Windows restart but a full shutdown and cold boot (where you see the
POST screen where you could go into BIOS screens or let the OS boot).
Updates can put files in a mixed state: some old ones got replaced with
new files but some old files remain to get replaced on Windows' restart
(the inuse files cannot get replaced until a shutdown or a startup of
Windows or both). A program with its files in mixed state may not
behave correctly. I always reboot after any Windows updates because of
the abnormalities that mixed state programs can encounter, even if I'm
not prompted to reboot. Some programmers think a mixed state program
should continue to function okay but they are testing on their testbeds,
not on your computer.



Yes. Actually a few reboots while trying to troubleshoot the problem.
Also windows update required a reboot after first installing those
updates. Thanks again. More great info.


-dan z-


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