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SP1 with Critical Updates vs. SP2
SP2 is considered a comprehensive "Critical Update" and updates over
5 million lines of code in Windows XP. You'll experience stronger security and a bit more performance by installing SP2. Why Service Packs are Better Than Patches http://www.microsoft.com/technet/arc.../srvpatch.mspx Introduction to Windows XP Service Pack 2 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...ntrotosp2.mspx List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2 http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2 Learn About Windows XP Service Pack 2 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/preinstall.mspx -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Greg Strong" wrote: | What are the differences of SP1 with the critical updates versus SP2 with | critical updates? | | Is it just the interface as the 'security settings' in the control panel & | other bells & whistles with everything under the hood, sort to speak, being | the same? | | TIA! | | -- | Regards, | | Greg Strong |
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Hi Greg,
Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2: Part 1: Introduction http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2chngs.mspx Release notes for Windows XP Service Pack 2 http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;835935 List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2 http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;811113 List of fixes in Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows XP Service Pack 1a http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324720/ -- Regards, Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User http://bertk.mvps.org Greg Strong wrote: What are the differences of SP1 with the critical updates versus SP2 with critical updates? Is it just the interface as the 'security settings' in the control panel & other bells & whistles with everything under the hood, sort to speak, being the same? TIA! |
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Greg
SP2 rewrites some 5 million lines of code within XP.. a fully updated SP2 is worth way more than a fully updated SP1.. SP2 is not about bells and whistles, although it does add one or two.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Greg Strong" wrote in message ... What are the differences of SP1 with the critical updates versus SP2 with critical updates? Is it just the interface as the 'security settings' in the control panel & other bells & whistles with everything under the hood, sort to speak, being the same? TIA! -- Regards, Greg Strong |
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Greg
Did you miss this part?.. SP2 rewrites some 5 million lines of code within XP.. Your call -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Greg Strong" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:42:52 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)" wrote: Greg SP2 rewrites some 5 million lines of code within XP.. a fully updated SP2 is worth way more than a fully updated SP1.. In which way? Is an updated SP2 with all high priority updates more secure than SP1 updated with all the high priorities? I'll probably read the links provided by others. May they will tell me why. SP2 is not about bells and whistles, although it does add one or two.. Well for now I'm going to stay with SP1 fully updated with high priority links. See Message-ID: for why. -- Regards, Greg Strong |
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If the quality of the code isn't better than what was done, the
quantity of code is meaningless, especially it is still contain bugs that microsoft feels is "not important" enough to fix but claim it is the user's ineptness. And if most of the 5 million lines of code is for the firewall, ie, outlook, remote access services & messenger services, & "windows auto-update", only people using them may want to go to sp2. On 2005-08-15, Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote: Greg Did you miss this part?.. SP2 rewrites some 5 million lines of code within XP.. Your call |
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You will both believe what you want to believe, and that is your
prerogative.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User wrote in message ... If the quality of the code isn't better than what was done, the quantity of code is meaningless, especially it is still contain bugs that microsoft feels is "not important" enough to fix but claim it is the user's ineptness. And if most of the 5 million lines of code is for the firewall, ie, outlook, remote access services & messenger services, & "windows auto-update", only people using them may want to go to sp2. On 2005-08-15, Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote: Greg Did you miss this part?.. SP2 rewrites some 5 million lines of code within XP.. Your call |
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With SP2 installed on XP, this is the message I get back from shields up.
So your suggestion that it won't work with SP2 is obviously wrong. Your system has achieved a perfect "TruStealth" rating. Not a single packet - solicited or otherwise - was received from your system as a result of our security probing tests. Your system ignored and refused to reply to repeated Pings (ICMP Echo Requests). From the standpoint of the passing probes of any hacker, this machine does not exist on the Internet. Some questionable personal security systems expose their users by attempting to "counter-probe the prober", thus revealing themselves. But your system wisely remained silent in every way. Very nice. "Greg Strong" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:55:17 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)" wrote: Did you miss this part?.. SP2 rewrites some 5 million lines of code within XP.. No! Your call Sure. Did you miss this part? ... "See Message-ID: for why." I'd rather be able to apply to a prospective employer AND pass GRC's ShieldsUp test at http://www.grc.com/default.htm. The results of the ShieldsUp test are "Your system has achieved a perfect "TruStealth" rating." From what I understand security is relative. Security is the perspective that I asked the question between SP1 vs SP2. I should have been more clear. This may be a difficult question to answer. Those who know the answer, may not what the answer known. SP2 may be the way to go, but not for now. Thanks for your response. -- Regards, Greg Strong |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:24:45 -0500, "Jone Doe"
wrote: With SP2 installed on XP, this is the message I get back from shields up. So your suggestion that it won't work with SP2 is obviously wrong. So you passed GRC's ShieldsUp test with SP2. Unless I'm reading you wrong I never said that this would NOT be the case. What I said is I could NOT apply for a job with an on-line job application (i.e. web based) with a prospective employer. In the documentation and in phone conversation with their help desk this is was what I was told. So I simply re-installed WinXP Pro with SP1 and all the high priority updates. Why? So I can apply for the job. I'm not bashing MS nor the prospective employer. I am simply looking for CAPABILITY that is important to me in an ever changing personal computer market. Regards, Greg |
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Greg
Why would SP2 be responsible for you not being able to apply for a job online?.. I would love to see the documentation and speak to the person who told you this.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:24:45 -0500, "Jone Doe" wrote: With SP2 installed on XP, this is the message I get back from shields up. So your suggestion that it won't work with SP2 is obviously wrong. So you passed GRC's ShieldsUp test with SP2. Unless I'm reading you wrong I never said that this would NOT be the case. What I said is I could NOT apply for a job with an on-line job application (i.e. web based) with a prospective employer. In the documentation and in phone conversation with their help desk this is was what I was told. So I simply re-installed WinXP Pro with SP1 and all the high priority updates. Why? So I can apply for the job. I'm not bashing MS nor the prospective employer. I am simply looking for CAPABILITY that is important to me in an ever changing personal computer market. Regards, Greg |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:17:35 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
wrote: Why would SP2 be responsible for you not being able to apply for a job online?.. I would love to see the documentation and speak to the person who told you this.. Couple things here first. I think I want to try to apply for the job on-line with only SP1 installed. Previously I was provided an email address to send the application too. Hopefully it is still posted and available. If I'm able to apply for the job with an updated version of SP1, then this would support their IT help desk's support position. Secondly, I will admit when I spoke to the individual at the help desk they did not sound well versed, sort to speak, with regard to the specifics of the situation. Because I was applying for a job I didn't want to push it. Third, are you an employee of Microsoft? Maybe this is to much to ask. Since this is a professional situation I would only expect this situation to be handled in a professional manner. What do I mean? Well I would only provide contact information where the individual contacting the prospective employer was acting in behalf of Microsoft. In order to do so I believe that the person would have to be a Microsoft employee. REMEMBER, the response from the prospective employer was that they were aware of the problem with WinXP. IIRC I believe they referred to it as "version 2" which meant no sense to me unless they meant SP2. This is why I want to try SP1 in the application process. Their response was something to the effect that the upgrade was not in their current fiscal budget, and that hopefully this would be corrected in the future. So in summary: 1) I'm going to try to apply through the on-line web based solution with SP1 installed with high priority updates installed. 2) Are you a Microsoft employee? 3) Would you be contact them as a Microsoft employee? I only want to insure a professional situation if the information was provided. -- Regards, Greg Strong |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:19:41 GMT, Greg Strong
wrote: I only want to insure a professional situation if the information was provided. In retrospect I don't think this would be a good ideal under any circumstances. Sorry! -- Regards, Greg Strong |
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Greg
No, I am not a Microsoft employee.. I am a Microsoft MVP, it being an award given by Microsoft to people who they consider to provide a high level of volunteer help in public online communities such as this.. I have no intention of contacting the people that told you to apply for a job with only SP1 and updates applied.. even as I type that statement, it amuses me.. the kind of thing that one might here in Best Buy or Staples (and a whole bunch of other places, unfortunately).. A guy in a computer store told me recently that the lower end Toshiba laptops can't handle MS Office, that they crash out if you try to type too fast in MS Word.. thank god for people like that, or I might never smile.. the trouble is that some will believe him because they know no better.. You must do what you feel is right, Greg.. and believe what you want to believe.. your prerogative, your call.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Greg Strong" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:17:35 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)" wrote: Why would SP2 be responsible for you not being able to apply for a job online?.. I would love to see the documentation and speak to the person who told you this.. Couple things here first. I think I want to try to apply for the job on-line with only SP1 installed. Previously I was provided an email address to send the application too. Hopefully it is still posted and available. If I'm able to apply for the job with an updated version of SP1, then this would support their IT help desk's support position. Secondly, I will admit when I spoke to the individual at the help desk they did not sound well versed, sort to speak, with regard to the specifics of the situation. Because I was applying for a job I didn't want to push it. Third, are you an employee of Microsoft? Maybe this is to much to ask. Since this is a professional situation I would only expect this situation to be handled in a professional manner. What do I mean? Well I would only provide contact information where the individual contacting the prospective employer was acting in behalf of Microsoft. In order to do so I believe that the person would have to be a Microsoft employee. REMEMBER, the response from the prospective employer was that they were aware of the problem with WinXP. IIRC I believe they referred to it as "version 2" which meant no sense to me unless they meant SP2. This is why I want to try SP1 in the application process. Their response was something to the effect that the upgrade was not in their current fiscal budget, and that hopefully this would be corrected in the future. So in summary: 1) I'm going to try to apply through the on-line web based solution with SP1 installed with high priority updates installed. 2) Are you a Microsoft employee? 3) Would you be contact them as a Microsoft employee? I only want to insure a professional situation if the information was provided. -- Regards, Greg Strong |
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Computer salesmen have supplanted car salesmen as the biggest
purveyors of BS. It's like I told a HR person at my last corporate job "We don't need Picture badges - we need one with IQ's on it" "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Greg No, I am not a Microsoft employee.. I am a Microsoft MVP, it being an award given by Microsoft to people who they consider to provide a high level of volunteer help in public online communities such as this.. I have no intention of contacting the people that told you to apply for a job with only SP1 and updates applied.. even as I type that statement, it amuses me.. the kind of thing that one might here in Best Buy or Staples (and a whole bunch of other places, unfortunately).. A guy in a computer store told me recently that the lower end Toshiba laptops can't handle MS Office, that they crash out if you try to type too fast in MS Word.. thank god for people like that, or I might never smile.. the trouble is that some will believe him because they know no better.. You must do what you feel is right, Greg.. and believe what you want to believe.. your prerogative, your call.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Greg Strong" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:17:35 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)" wrote: Why would SP2 be responsible for you not being able to apply for a job online?.. I would love to see the documentation and speak to the person who told you this.. Couple things here first. I think I want to try to apply for the job on-line with only SP1 installed. Previously I was provided an email address to send the application too. Hopefully it is still posted and available. If I'm able to apply for the job with an updated version of SP1, then this would support their IT help desk's support position. Secondly, I will admit when I spoke to the individual at the help desk they did not sound well versed, sort to speak, with regard to the specifics of the situation. Because I was applying for a job I didn't want to push it. Third, are you an employee of Microsoft? Maybe this is to much to ask. Since this is a professional situation I would only expect this situation to be handled in a professional manner. What do I mean? Well I would only provide contact information where the individual contacting the prospective employer was acting in behalf of Microsoft. In order to do so I believe that the person would have to be a Microsoft employee. REMEMBER, the response from the prospective employer was that they were aware of the problem with WinXP. IIRC I believe they referred to it as "version 2" which meant no sense to me unless they meant SP2. This is why I want to try SP1 in the application process. Their response was something to the effect that the upgrade was not in their current fiscal budget, and that hopefully this would be corrected in the future. So in summary: 1) I'm going to try to apply through the on-line web based solution with SP1 installed with high priority updates installed. 2) Are you a Microsoft employee? 3) Would you be contact them as a Microsoft employee? I only want to insure a professional situation if the information was provided. -- Regards, Greg Strong |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:53:08 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
wrote: I have no intention of contacting the people that told you to apply for a job with only SP1 and updates applied.. even as I type that statement, it amuses me.. Well than why did you say the quote below? per Message-ID: "I would love to see the documentation and speak to the person who told you this.." -- Regards, Greg Strong |
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You should read the thread on "Recent Recall of Windows Updates"
& the associated problem. It does point out explicitly that not all ms updates are better than no updates. An open mind is needed as ms definitely cannot provide *perfect* code/software; if ms did perfect work, updates/service-packs wouldn't have been needed. On 2005-08-16, Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote: You will both believe what you want to believe, and that is your prerogative.. |
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