Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail" account - so all benefit from our efforts

On 5/21/19 11:49 PM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:


Hi Arlen,

Which ones are Thunderbird and IMAP friendly?

Proton mail lets you rent a utility to
use with Thunderbird.

Zoho mail has technical problems out the ass.

-T

On Wed, 22 May 2019 00:30:52 -0700, T wrote:

Which ones are Thunderbird and IMAP friendly?

Hi T,
Ah! This is a _good_ question, as I did NOT test whether they would work
with any common free cross platform (or platform specific) MUA such as...
o Blue Mail (iOS) https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-mail-email-mailbox/id1063729305
o Claws Mail (Windows, Linux, Mac, Android, iOS) https://www.claws-mail.org/
o eMClient (Windows, Mac) https://www.emclient.com/
o Evolution (Linux) https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution
o Geary (Linux) https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary
o Hiri (Windows, Mac, Linux) https://www.hiri.com/
o Inky (Windows, Mac, Android) https://inky.com/
o K-9 Mail (Android) https://k9mail.github.io/
o Mailbird (Windows) https://www.getmailbird.com/
o Mailspring (fork of Nylas Mail) https://getmailspring.com/
o myMail (iOS) https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mymail-email-app/id722120997
o Nylas Mail (Windows, IOS, Linux, Mac) https://www.nylas.com/
o Outlook (Windows) https://outlook.live.com/owa/
o Pegasus http://www.pmail.com/downloads.htm
o Spark (Android) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.readdle.spark
o Spike (Windows, Mac, Android, iOS) https://www.spikenow.com/
o Thunderbird (Windows, Mac, Linux) https://www.thunderbird.net/
o Windows Live Mail (Windows) https://windows-live-mail.en.softonic.com/
o Zimbra (Windows, Mac, Linux) https://www.zimbra.com/
etc.

Proton mail lets you rent a utility to
use with Thunderbird.

Zoho mail has technical problems out the ass.

This is great input!

Thanks for that purposefully helpful suggestion & observations!
o I'll pick one of the above MUAs to test each of the 5 services out.

Thanks!

On Wed, 22 May 2019 08:31:08 -0000 (UTC), Arlen G. Holder wrote:

o Claws Mail (Windows, Linux, Mac, Android, iOS) https://www.claws-mail.org/

Since Claws Mail appears to be a decent cross platform solution for
Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, and Android, I will install Claws that for my
tests of the POP/IMAP/SMTP settings using a mail user agent instead of the
web (which is what my tests prior used).

Here is a first pass at the POP3, IMAP4, & SMTP server & port settings.
o https://emailconfiguration.com/
o https://www.arclab.com/en/kb/email/list-of-smtp-and-pop3-servers-mailserver-list.html

GMX:
o POP3: pop.gmx.com:995 (SSL or encryption)(alternative: 110) TLS/SSL required: yes for port 995, no for port 110
o IMAP4: imap.gmx.com:993 (SSL/TLS)(alternative: 143) TLS/SSL required: yes for port 993, no for port 143
o SMTP: mail.gmx.com:587/465 (STARTTLS, TLS or encryption) smtp.gmx.com:587 TLS/SSL required: no
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Proton:
o POP3: web only?
o IMAP4: web only?
o SMTP: web only?
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Tutanota:
o POP3: web only?
o IMAP4: web only?
o SMTP: web only?
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Yandex:
o POP3: pop.yandex.com:995/SSL
o IMAP4: imap.yandex.com:993/SSL
o SMTP: smtp.yandex.com:465/SSL 587/SSL
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Zoho:
o POP3: pop.zoho.eu:995/SSL
o IMAP4: imap.zoho.eu:993 SSL
o SMTP: smtp.zoho.eu:587/TLS 465/SSL
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Here is where the information above came from in this first pass.

GMX:
o https://emailconfiguration.com/gmx-com
o http://smtpimap.email/gmx.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html
o https://support.gmx.com/pop-imap/pop3/serverdata.html
o https://www.lifewire.com/what-are-the-gmx-mail-smtp-settings-1172152
o https://support.gmx.com/pop-imap/pop3/index.html
o https://www.serversettings.email/gmx.at-email-server-settings-imap.php
o https://serversmtp.com/smtp-gmx/

Proton:
o http://prontomail.com/imap.html
o No POP3 support
o https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/imap-smtp-and-pop3-setup/
o http://smtpimap.email/protonmail.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html
o Proton Bridge only for payware users
o https://protonmail.com/bridge/

Tutanota: Apparently does not support IMAP or POP3
o http://smtpimap.email/tutanota.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html
o http://smtpimap.email/iphone/tutanota.com-email-setup.html
o https://tutanota.uservoice.com/forums/237921-general/suggestions/6895110-external-imap-pop3-connection

Yandex:
o https://emailconfiguration.com/yandex-com
o https://yandex.com/support/mail/mail-clients.html
o https://www.lifewire.com/yandex-mail-pop3-settings-1170797
o http://smtpimap.email/yandex.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html
o http://smtpimap.email/iphone/yandex.com-email-setup.html
o https://imapsmtp.email/yandex.ru-smtp-imap-email-settings.html
o https://settings.email/yandex-com-tr-email-settings/
o https://www.serversettings.email/yandex.com-email-server-settings-imap.php

Zoho:
o https://emailconfiguration.com/zoho-com
o http://smtpimap.email/zoho.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html
o https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/imap-access.html
o https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/zoho-smtp.html
o https://emailsettingsguide.com/zoho-imap-and-smtp-settings/
o https://brightwhiz.com/zoho-mail-server-settings/
o https://www.emailquestions.com/threads/what-are-the-zoho-mail-imap-and-smtp-mail-server-settings.9279/
o https://www.hupport.com/zoho-mail-zoho-mail-imap-smtp-configuration-details/
o https://www.techtolead.com/pop3-imap-access-configuration-zoho-mail/2171/
o https://www.emailquestions.com/threads/what-are-the-incoming-pop3-and-outgoing-smtp-mail-server-settings-for-zoho-mail.3960/

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Proton mail lets you rent a utility to
use with Thunderbird.

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On Wed, 22 May 2019 09:07:26 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:

Using term "email" account may be unlucky, possibly leading to confussion.

I would distinguish
Google ID with email address format
and
Google/Gmail email account linked to such ID.

As one can use the ID for general Google authentication, but not it's email account,
or vice versa
or both.

Hi Poutnik,

Yours is a good point, where I am clarifying here that I'm talking about a
Google Account, which, to my knowledge, and, so far, to anyone's knowledge
who has responded, is NOT needed for Android to work just fine.

I've had, for quite some time now, no Google Account on my Android phone,
even as I own a Google Email Address that I can access on my Android phone.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I originally tried to access that Google mail
account using the Gmail app, but that app, paradoxically, _insisted_ on
syncing my contacts and other files with Google servers, against my wishes
- so I have replaced it with a non-Google MUA (such as K-9 is) as per:
o GSF independent free, ad free, email programs for Android on Google Play
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/fQPHDg9VutI/8QhMreVoCwAJ

Bear in mind the goal of this thread is to improve our capabilities
o By eliminating the Google Account altogether - including Email.

My belief system is not imaginary like nospam's often proves to be.
o I do NOT have a Google Account and my unrooted Android works fine...

AFAICT...
1. There's full access to Android sans a Google Account
2. There's full access to the Google Play store (via Aurora)
3. There's full access to system updates (AFAIK)
4. There's full access to app updates (via Aurora, F-Droid, etc.)
5. There's full access to automatic backups,
etc.

Since my belief system is not only _based_ on facts ...
o But my belief system is bolstered by facts.

I _love_ facts - so I'm not afraid of technical facts like nospam is
o I'm not afraid to ask direct challenging questions about facts

I've asked the relevant question of _others_ over in this thread:
o Is there any free FUNCTIONALITY that you need to do on Android, that you can't do WITHOUT a Google Account?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/xzaii4eUY_E/8ZI6VRL8AAAJ

Nobody has come up with any justification for what Carlos & nospam claim
o Not even Carlos or nospam, which, interestingly, is always the case

It's terrifying how many people own completely imaginary belief systems
o Which are based, apparently, on exactly _zero_ actual facts.

Moving forward, in _testing_ the Google Account replacements specifically
for email, I tested the following, so far, with their free web access:
o GMX https://www.gmx.com/mail/
o Proton Mail https://protonmail.com/
o Tutanota https://tutanota.com/
o Yandex https://mail.yandex.com/
o Zoho https://www.zoho.com/mail/

Someone who was being purposefully helpful suggested testing IMAP/POP3
o Where they prefer Thunderbird (but, personally, I hate Thunderbird)

Hence, I'll be testing their IMAP/POP access suggestion using the
cross-compatible Mac Linux Windows Android & iOS "Claws" MUA...
o Claws Mail https://www.claws-mail.org/

With the following IMAP/POP settings, which I need to hone better:
GMX:
o POP3: pop.gmx.com:995/SSL/TLS 110/none
o IMAP4: imap.gmx.com:993/SSL/TLS 143/none
o SMTP: mail.gmx.com:465/TLS 587/none
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Proton:
o POP3: web only?
o IMAP4: web only?
o SMTP: web only?
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Tutanota:
o POP3: web only?
o IMAP4: web only?
o SMTP: web only?
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Yandex:
o POP3: pop.yandex.com:995/SSL
o IMAP4: imap.yandex.com:993/SSL
o SMTP: smtp.yandex.com:465/SSL 587/SSL
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Zoho:
o POP3: pop.zoho.eu:995/SSL
o IMAP4: imap.zoho.eu:993 SSL
o SMTP: smtp.zoho.eu:587/TLS 465/SSL
o Username:
o Password: fubar

As always, I'll share my results with the team since Usenet is a potluck
where everyone's value is in what technical information they bring to the
table.

After preliminary lookups on the settings for each server, the only two
that I expect might be problematic, are Proton Mail & Tutanota, where I ask
others, who are more experienced than I, to add their knowledge and wisdom
to the Usenet potluck picnic so that all benefit from their efforts.

The goal is noble, which is to find a decent replacement for the Google
Email account - where any purposefully helpful adult related technical
information is both welcomed and appreciated - as rare as it may be.

On Wed, 22 May 2019 06:49:27 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen G. Holder" wrote:

While the children on Usenet have proven, as they always do, that not
only do they NOT bring anything of value to the Usenet potluck, but
that they are not capable of adding any on-topic technical value to
Usenet: o Carlos E.R.
o Cybe R. Wizard
o Dan Purgert
o John Doe
o John McWilliams
o Jolly Roger
o nospam
o

Although I thought your (perceived) enemies list was longer, I am as
proud as always to be included on it.

One may best know a person by their enemies and yours are among the
brightest and most adult and capable folks around here, myself always
excepted.

Obviously that description does not include you any more than it does
me. Possibly less.

The best part is that neither they nor I think of you as an enemy, but
rather as one more deserving of our pity or, possibly, laughter.

--
Cybe R. Wizard

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
Sun Tzu

On Wed, 22 May 2019 12:01:44 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2019 06:49:27 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen G. Holder" wrote:

While the children on Usenet have proven, as they always do, that not
only do they NOT bring anything of value to the Usenet potluck, but
that they are not capable of adding any on-topic technical value to
Usenet: o Carlos E.R.
o Cybe R. Wizard
o Dan Purgert
o John Doe
o John McWilliams
o Jolly Roger
o nospam
o

Although I thought your (perceived) enemies list was longer, I am as
proud as always to be included on it.

Subject line changed to something more appropriate

--
Steve Hayes
http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
http://khanya.wordpress.com

"Carlos E.R." Wrote in message:

Replacement as in Android phones will use that instead of Gmail? Ha,good luck with that.-- Cheers, Carlos.

Why luck ?
You can use any POP3/IMAP4 account on an Android phone,
using a 3rd party email client.
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"Carlos E.R." Wrote in message:

Sure. *Only* for email.-- Cheers, Carlos.

Google mail account is one thing,
Google ID is another thing.

There was request for replacement of Google mail account, not of Google ID.

--
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"Arlen G. Holder" Wrote in message:
.Hi Poutnik,I'm not sure what Carlos' problem is, but I think, based on what he wrote elsewhere, that he owns what appears to be an imaginary belief system about Android, which, in his mind (and in the mind of nospam, apparently),_requires_ an "email" account (of some sort) in order for Android to work.

Using term "email" account may be unlucky, possibly leading to confussion.

I would distinguish
Google ID with email address format
and
Google/Gmail email account linked to such ID.

As one can use the ID for general Google authentication, but not it's email account,
or vice versa
or both.


--
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