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"sandy58" wrote in message
On Sep 21, 6:48 pm, "Twayne" wrote: "Stan Brown" wrote in message t Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:53:41 -0700 from Malke : navnah wrote: How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files. There is no DOS in Windows XP so you can't do this as you could in Win9x/ME. Or, to answer what the OP really wants to know, click Start | Programs | Accessories | Command prompt. If it's not there, click Start | Run and enter this command cmd /k then click OK I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". Is it technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of speech. Actually, Microsoft describes the Command Prompt as a DOS window too, in so many places one could never count them. It's even in the Help & Support area on your own computer. The proper definition is that XP is not BUILT ON TOP OF DOS as other windws versions were and thus is not DOS based as other windows versions were. It does in fact still have a DOS window, found in the Command Prompt, and today it is much more than a simple DOS emulator since it has many many more possible commands at the user's disposal. Purists such as you encountered are silly and nonsensical beings in that they have no wish to help the OP but rather only wish to show their own egoes to the world. Who cares? You tell them, Twayne. DOS works with XP. If I can move stuff around, get rid of files etc that won't move in Windows, et al......I have DOS!!!! Pseudo or whatever the so-called MS fundi's want to call it.......it's freakin' DOS!! Just because MS used the story as a sales pitch (people were scared of DOS) "Windows XP has no DOS" these afore- mentioned fundis use the same dogma, "No such thing as DOS in....." till they begin to actually believe their chant. No, I'm afraid I can't abide by that. DOS = Disk Operating System. Windows used to work through the Disk Operating System. It still does, but the term "Disk Operating System" is no longer relevent in XP because the Disk Operating System meant by "DOS" doesn't exits. The "DOS" in that case becomes something else since that operating system doesn't exist in XP. What DOES happen though, is that XP will run most, not all, DOS COMMANDS such as copy, paste, del, rd, md, etc. etc.. So since it's not an "operating system" it isn't called DOS but was instead designated as the Command Prompt. Not only that, but the Command Prompt, although it includes a subset of the old DOS commands, has many more added functions and commands than DOS ever thought of having. A list of the possible commands is actually a very long list; longer than the old DOS commands were. OTOH, a command window can still, by Microsoft's reasoning, be called a DOS prompt because it is for exactly the same presentation and purpose. You might say that the command prompt window is a DOS window when you use it to issue DOS commands, otherwise it's a Command Prompt Window, for issuing any of the full set of possible commands, which simply includes a bunch of the former DOS comands and a lot more. Now, to the purists, to say there is no Disk Operating System can be argued to be silly, that no computer today would function without an operating system to support the disks, or a disk operating system. These things can be argued inifitely. Then you get the egotists and narcissists who simply say "there is no DOS in XP" or something similar, and then, having spouted their slime, completely ignore the poster's real question. They had no intent other than to say "XP doesn't have DOS" and helping anyone was the farthest thing from their minds. Their interpersonal skills are less than minimal and their interest in being helpful runs a close race to it. I might myself comment that there is no real DOS in XP, but it's done as an aside and without malice, never in a condescending manner and just to give them a sort of basis for further discussions. And to avoid the E&Ns of course. If someone says "DOS window", everyone knows that they mean, and actually it's a perfectly valid term if it's used in the context of giving DOS commands. So in essence, I agree with you although the MSDOS Operating System isn't what's being referred to; plain Disk Operating System is what DOS means, and that's all. Oh well; it's been a long dayg. HTH, Twayne` |
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"sandy58" wrote in message
On Sep 21, 6:48 pm, "Twayne" wrote: "Stan Brown" wrote in message t Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:53:41 -0700 from Malke : navnah wrote: How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files. There is no DOS in Windows XP so you can't do this as you could in Win9x/ME. Or, to answer what the OP really wants to know, click Start | Programs | Accessories | Command prompt. If it's not there, click Start | Run and enter this command cmd /k then click OK I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". Is it technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of speech. Actually, Microsoft describes the Command Prompt as a DOS window too, in so many places one could never count them. It's even in the Help & Support area on your own computer. The proper definition is that XP is not BUILT ON TOP OF DOS as other windws versions were and thus is not DOS based as other windows versions were. It does in fact still have a DOS window, found in the Command Prompt, and today it is much more than a simple DOS emulator since it has many many more possible commands at the user's disposal. Purists such as you encountered are silly and nonsensical beings in that they have no wish to help the OP but rather only wish to show their own egoes to the world. Who cares? You tell them, Twayne. DOS works with XP. If I can move stuff around, get rid of files etc that won't move in Windows, et al......I have DOS!!!! Pseudo or whatever the so-called MS fundi's want to call it.......it's freakin' DOS!! Just because MS used the story as a sales pitch (people were scared of DOS) "Windows XP has no DOS" these afore- mentioned fundis use the same dogma, "No such thing as DOS in....." till they begin to actually believe their chant. No, I'm afraid I can't abide by that. DOS = Disk Operating System. Windows used to work through the Disk Operating System. It still does, but the term "Disk Operating System" is no longer relevent in XP because the Disk Operating System meant by "DOS" doesn't exits. The "DOS" in that case becomes something else since that operating system doesn't exist in XP. What DOES happen though, is that XP will run most, not all, DOS COMMANDS such as copy, paste, del, rd, md, etc. etc.. So since it's not an "operating system" it isn't called DOS but was instead designated as the Command Prompt. Not only that, but the Command Prompt, although it includes a subset of the old DOS commands, has many more added functions and commands than DOS ever thought of having. A list of the possible commands is actually a very long list; longer than the old DOS commands were. OTOH, a command window can still, by Microsoft's reasoning, be called a DOS prompt because it is for exactly the same presentation and purpose. You might say that the command prompt window is a DOS window when you use it to issue DOS commands, otherwise it's a Command Prompt Window, for issuing any of the full set of possible commands, which simply includes a bunch of the former DOS comands and a lot more. Now, to the purists, to say there is no Disk Operating System can be argued to be silly, that no computer today would function without an operating system to support the disks, or a disk operating system. These things can be argued inifitely. Then you get the egotists and narcissists who simply say "there is no DOS in XP" or something similar, and then, having spouted their slime, completely ignore the poster's real question. They had no intent other than to say "XP doesn't have DOS" and helping anyone was the farthest thing from their minds. Their interpersonal skills are less than minimal and their interest in being helpful runs a close race to it. I might myself comment that there is no real DOS in XP, but it's done as an aside and without malice, never in a condescending manner and just to give them a sort of basis for further discussions. And to avoid the E&Ns of course. If someone says "DOS window", everyone knows that they mean, and actually it's a perfectly valid term if it's used in the context of giving DOS commands. So in essence, I agree with you although the MSDOS Operating System isn't what's being referred to; plain Disk Operating System is what DOS means, and that's all. Oh well; it's been a long dayg. HTH, Twayne` |
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Original post requested command line to be able to run xcopy. To get to command line: start run cmd or start run command or start programs accessories command line or the reboot and selective startup to command line using [F8] any of which might allow the xcopy to work as OP wants it to. |
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Original post requested command line to be able to run xcopy. To get to command line: start run cmd or start run command or start programs accessories command line or the reboot and selective startup to command line using [F8] any of which might allow the xcopy to work as OP wants it to. |
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On Sep 22, 6:30*pm, sandy58 wrote:
On Sep 21, 6:48*pm, "Twayne" wrote: "Stan Brown" wrote in message et Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:53:41 -0700 from Malke : navnah wrote: How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files. There is no DOS in Windows XP so you can't do this as you could in Win9x/ME. Or, to answer what the OP really wants to know, click Start | Programs | Accessories | Command prompt. If it's not there, click Start | Run and enter this command cmd /k then click OK I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". *Is it technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of speech. Actually, Microsoft describes the Command Prompt as a DOS window too, in so many places one could never count them. *It's even in the Help & Support area on your own computer. *The proper definition is that XP is not BUILT ON TOP OF *DOS as other windws versions were and thus is not DOS based as other windows versions were. *It does in fact still have a DOS window, found in the Command Prompt, and today it is much more than a simple DOS emulator since it has many many more possible commands at the user's disposal. * *Purists such as you encountered are silly and nonsensical beings in that they have no wish to help the OP but rather only wish to show their own egoes to the world. *Who cares? You tell them, Twayne. DOS works with XP. If I can move stuff around, get rid of files etc that won't move in Windows, et al......I have DOS!!!! Pseudo or whatever the so-called MS fundi's want to call it.......it's freakin' DOS!! Just because MS used the story as a sales pitch (people were scared of DOS) "Windows XP has no DOS" these afore- mentioned fundis use the same dogma, "No such thing as DOS in....." till they begin to actually believe their chant. DOS does not work with XP and cannot read NTFS volumes without 3rd- party applications such as NTFS4DOS. The command prompt is not the DOS operating system just because it is a command-line interpreter. This isn't just arguing semantics here, it really is NOT the same as DOS. It isn't even an emulator. DOS is 16-bit, programs that run under Windows XP's command line are 32-bit. By your logic, Windows 95 is the same as XP in the Windows Classic theme because they look similar. Calling the command-line interpreter "DOS" is just as ignorant as calling a computer tower or monitor the CPU. |
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On Sep 22, 6:30*pm, sandy58 wrote:
On Sep 21, 6:48*pm, "Twayne" wrote: "Stan Brown" wrote in message et Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:53:41 -0700 from Malke : navnah wrote: How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files. There is no DOS in Windows XP so you can't do this as you could in Win9x/ME. Or, to answer what the OP really wants to know, click Start | Programs | Accessories | Command prompt. If it's not there, click Start | Run and enter this command cmd /k then click OK I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". *Is it technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of speech. Actually, Microsoft describes the Command Prompt as a DOS window too, in so many places one could never count them. *It's even in the Help & Support area on your own computer. *The proper definition is that XP is not BUILT ON TOP OF *DOS as other windws versions were and thus is not DOS based as other windows versions were. *It does in fact still have a DOS window, found in the Command Prompt, and today it is much more than a simple DOS emulator since it has many many more possible commands at the user's disposal. * *Purists such as you encountered are silly and nonsensical beings in that they have no wish to help the OP but rather only wish to show their own egoes to the world. *Who cares? You tell them, Twayne. DOS works with XP. If I can move stuff around, get rid of files etc that won't move in Windows, et al......I have DOS!!!! Pseudo or whatever the so-called MS fundi's want to call it.......it's freakin' DOS!! Just because MS used the story as a sales pitch (people were scared of DOS) "Windows XP has no DOS" these afore- mentioned fundis use the same dogma, "No such thing as DOS in....." till they begin to actually believe their chant. DOS does not work with XP and cannot read NTFS volumes without 3rd- party applications such as NTFS4DOS. The command prompt is not the DOS operating system just because it is a command-line interpreter. This isn't just arguing semantics here, it really is NOT the same as DOS. It isn't even an emulator. DOS is 16-bit, programs that run under Windows XP's command line are 32-bit. By your logic, Windows 95 is the same as XP in the Windows Classic theme because they look similar. Calling the command-line interpreter "DOS" is just as ignorant as calling a computer tower or monitor the CPU. |
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In reference to Windows XP "DOS" does not refer to MS DOS, since, as you have pointed outy elsewhere, Windows does not run on MS DOS. But it does have a command prompt that allows one to perform disk operations, and so say one can't refer to that as the DOS prompt is just nit picking. ....until someone requests help in getting a DOS game to run, and the only solution is DOSBox or similar. Then it becomes a matter of accuracy, instead. Still, in my book, the way the OP was phrased meant that further explanation/education was required: "How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files." A1) "There's no DOS in XP, end of story" is clearly inadequate and unhelpful. A2) "Start Run 'cmd'" doesn't address the specifically-stated desire to "leave windows", let alone "*return* to DOS prompt". Hopefully if the OP has read right through all responses, he/she will now have a fuller understanding! |
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snip In reference to Windows XP "DOS" does not refer to MS DOS, since, as you have pointed outy elsewhere, Windows does not run on MS DOS. But it does have a command prompt that allows one to perform disk operations, and so say one can't refer to that as the DOS prompt is just nit picking. ....until someone requests help in getting a DOS game to run, and the only solution is DOSBox or similar. Then it becomes a matter of accuracy, instead. Still, in my book, the way the OP was phrased meant that further explanation/education was required: "How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files." A1) "There's no DOS in XP, end of story" is clearly inadequate and unhelpful. A2) "Start Run 'cmd'" doesn't address the specifically-stated desire to "leave windows", let alone "*return* to DOS prompt". Hopefully if the OP has read right through all responses, he/she will now have a fuller understanding! |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:50:26 -0500, edfair
wrote: Original post requested command line to be able to run xcopy. Sorry, that's wrong. The original post said "leave windows to return to DOS prompt." That's very different from going to a command line, and is not possible. What you suggest *may* work for the OP, but it is certainly *not* what he asked for. To get to command line: start run cmd or start run command or start programs accessories command line or the reboot and selective startup to command line using [F8] any of which might allow the xcopy to work as OP wants it to. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:50:26 -0500, edfair
wrote: Original post requested command line to be able to run xcopy. Sorry, that's wrong. The original post said "leave windows to return to DOS prompt." That's very different from going to a command line, and is not possible. What you suggest *may* work for the OP, but it is certainly *not* what he asked for. To get to command line: start run cmd or start run command or start programs accessories command line or the reboot and selective startup to command line using [F8] any of which might allow the xcopy to work as OP wants it to. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:15:25 -0700 (PDT), Hodges wrote: On Sep 22, 9:37 pm, Steve Hayes wrote: DOS stands of "disk operating system". If your computer has no disks or discs, then no DOS is needed. But when you see the C:\ prompt (or the A:\ or B:\ or D:\ prompt) you can then give commands to the disk operating system to perform functions like copying files from one disk to another, or from one place on a disk to another place on the same disk, or from a disk to a disk, or to a virtual drive like a flash drive. How those commands are carried out depends on the overall operating system. Windows 98 and below were GUIs that ran on top of an operating system called MS DOS. Later versions of Windows are operating systems in their own right, but when you give commands like xcopy at the command promps, you are still giving commands to the disk operating system to perform operations on the disks, which is what the original poster wanted to do. So all the pedantic twaddle to avoid answering the question is just a waste of space. Copying files is a Disk Operation, and therefore it is a function of the DOS, whether that DOS is built in to Windows or whether Windows is a GUI running on top of it. "DOS" is a group of similar operating systems, it is not meant to represent any operating system that can manipulate disks, since that would include nearly any OS since the 80s. It is generally understood to mean MS-DOS or PC-DOS. In reference to Windows, it is universally understood to mean MS-DOS. When referring to Windows, it can be safely assumed that somebody referring to "DOS" does not mean AmigaDOS, Commodore DOS, Atari DOS, or any other form of DOS. You either don't understand what it is, or realize that you are wrong and are just arguing for the sake of sounding right. In reference to Windows XP "DOS" does not refer to MS DOS, since, as you have pointed outy elsewhere, Windows does not run on MS DOS. But it does have a command prompt that allows one to perform disk operations, and so say one can't refer to that as the DOS prompt is just nit picking. Exactly, and an action that never does the OP any good when it's used in the method that started this thread; "there is no DOS" unsupported comments. Since XP doesn't have an OS-DOS, the most one should need to explain is a possible aside that to get to that DOS window, you use the Command Prompt. Command Prompt is a nice, generic term for the process. Thus, the Command Prompt allows you to use it as a DOS window to issue most of the MSDOS commands. But it allows you to issue a lot of other, post-DOS commands too that were added to XP for the Command Mode, to be used in the Command Prompt. Cheers, Twayne` |
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"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:15:25 -0700 (PDT), Hodges wrote: On Sep 22, 9:37 pm, Steve Hayes wrote: DOS stands of "disk operating system". If your computer has no disks or discs, then no DOS is needed. But when you see the C:\ prompt (or the A:\ or B:\ or D:\ prompt) you can then give commands to the disk operating system to perform functions like copying files from one disk to another, or from one place on a disk to another place on the same disk, or from a disk to a disk, or to a virtual drive like a flash drive. How those commands are carried out depends on the overall operating system. Windows 98 and below were GUIs that ran on top of an operating system called MS DOS. Later versions of Windows are operating systems in their own right, but when you give commands like xcopy at the command promps, you are still giving commands to the disk operating system to perform operations on the disks, which is what the original poster wanted to do. So all the pedantic twaddle to avoid answering the question is just a waste of space. Copying files is a Disk Operation, and therefore it is a function of the DOS, whether that DOS is built in to Windows or whether Windows is a GUI running on top of it. "DOS" is a group of similar operating systems, it is not meant to represent any operating system that can manipulate disks, since that would include nearly any OS since the 80s. It is generally understood to mean MS-DOS or PC-DOS. In reference to Windows, it is universally understood to mean MS-DOS. When referring to Windows, it can be safely assumed that somebody referring to "DOS" does not mean AmigaDOS, Commodore DOS, Atari DOS, or any other form of DOS. You either don't understand what it is, or realize that you are wrong and are just arguing for the sake of sounding right. In reference to Windows XP "DOS" does not refer to MS DOS, since, as you have pointed outy elsewhere, Windows does not run on MS DOS. But it does have a command prompt that allows one to perform disk operations, and so say one can't refer to that as the DOS prompt is just nit picking. Exactly, and an action that never does the OP any good when it's used in the method that started this thread; "there is no DOS" unsupported comments. Since XP doesn't have an OS-DOS, the most one should need to explain is a possible aside that to get to that DOS window, you use the Command Prompt. Command Prompt is a nice, generic term for the process. Thus, the Command Prompt allows you to use it as a DOS window to issue most of the MSDOS commands. But it allows you to issue a lot of other, post-DOS commands too that were added to XP for the Command Mode, to be used in the Command Prompt. Cheers, Twayne` |
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"Olórin" wrote in message
snip In reference to Windows XP "DOS" does not refer to MS DOS, since, as you have pointed outy elsewhere, Windows does not run on MS DOS. But it does have a command prompt that allows one to perform disk operations, and so say one can't refer to that as the DOS prompt is just nit picking. ...until someone requests help in getting a DOS game to run, and the only solution is DOSBox or similar. Then it becomes a matter of accuracy, instead. Still, in my book, the way the OP was phrased meant that further explanation/education was required: "How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files." A1) "There's no DOS in XP, end of story" is clearly inadequate and unhelpful. A2) "Start Run 'cmd'" doesn't address the specifically-stated desire to "leave windows", let alone "*return* to DOS prompt". Hopefully if the OP has read right through all responses, he/she will now have a fuller understanding! All excellent points. Twayne` |
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"Olórin" wrote in message
snip In reference to Windows XP "DOS" does not refer to MS DOS, since, as you have pointed outy elsewhere, Windows does not run on MS DOS. But it does have a command prompt that allows one to perform disk operations, and so say one can't refer to that as the DOS prompt is just nit picking. ...until someone requests help in getting a DOS game to run, and the only solution is DOSBox or similar. Then it becomes a matter of accuracy, instead. Still, in my book, the way the OP was phrased meant that further explanation/education was required: "How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files." A1) "There's no DOS in XP, end of story" is clearly inadequate and unhelpful. A2) "Start Run 'cmd'" doesn't address the specifically-stated desire to "leave windows", let alone "*return* to DOS prompt". Hopefully if the OP has read right through all responses, he/she will now have a fuller understanding! All excellent points. Twayne` |
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:50:26 -0500, edfair wrote: Original post requested command line to be able to run xcopy. Sorry, that's wrong. The original post said "leave windows to return to DOS prompt." That's very different from going to a command line, and is not possible. What you suggest *may* work for the OP, but it is certainly *not* what he asked for. To get to command line: start run cmd or start run command or start programs accessories command line or the reboot and selective startup to command line using [F8] any of which might allow the xcopy to work as OP wants it to. Once again, the fantASStic MVP stated what was wrong, but not what was right to do. To achieve the same affect, one simply opens the Command Prompt, often referred to as the DOS window as a matter of fact. You're still in XP, but you're in a mode that may run DOS games, commands, etc., depending on the game/command etc.. I suspect the OP has left this thread with the firm idea that it's comprised of nothing but butt-heads, and impossible to tell who to believe or what to believe, and disgusted thanks to the likes of answers you often give. He'd be right, too: You and others like you have turned this into a nearly useless group for anyone lacking the expertise to phrase things exactly as YOU want to see them phrased. Good evidence of that is your negative statement and lack of addressing the OP's needs. You need to return to the Clarification and Verification chapters of Interpersonal Skills assessment. I'll bet the OP doesn't even CARE whether he "leaves" XP or not, that's just the best way he had of explaining what his experience is. All he wanted to know really is how to use the DOS facilities of XP. And you never gave a positive response to that question. HTH, Twayne` |
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