Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMail account.

"Arlen G. Holder" wrote:

Do not expand the group list in the middle of your own thread, moron.

On Sat, 18 May 2019 22:07:30 -0000 (UTC), John Doe wrote:

Please quote the language that allows Google to read my emails...

What I would like to find, or if someone else can find it, is where does
Google EXPLAIN that they're doing this type of archival, where, clearly,
*free* stuff and mandatory US regulatory registrations are _also_ archived.

Clearly this stuff is in a _different_ place than the "normal" stuff.
o But did Google ever STATE that they were doing this?

To me, the issue is HONESTY ... not PRIVACY.
o Was Google honest about describing this process?

The news seems to think that Google was not upfront about this:
https://www.techspot.com/news/80134-google-uses-receipts-sent-gmail-log-online-purchases.html

I've already asked my buddies who work in Mountainview to show me WHERE
Google has advertised that they're doing this - but I haven't heard back
from them yet.

Does ANYONE here claim one or both of two things:
1. Did you _know_ about this? (If so, how did you know?)
2. Do you know where Google was HONEST and UPFRONT about this?

Anyone, like Carlos, who claims that they _knew_ about this, has to tell us
_how_ they knew, because it's not obvious nor intuitive.

It's not about privacy; it's about honesty.
o Where did Google describe this specific archival process?
(Which captures free stuff & mandatory US regulatory stuff too.)

"Carlos E.R." wrote:

Then train it.

That is just another troll.

I don't see why you are so worked out about this.

It's a huge precedent.

The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

It is a feature

No, it's not. Even if it were useful, it is not nearly functional as
it is (already) done by online merchants.

and it was announced.

Point to it...

I knew.

Or maybe you are lying.

And it is in the terms and conditions of the gmail account that it
is machine read and parsed.

Quote that language...

For any purpose Google feels like reading it?

Calling it "machine read" is irrelevant, it's being read by Google.
And apparently they think they can read our emails for any purpose.

It's called "getting your foot in the door" or "setting a
precedent". It is an invasion of privacy.

An email provider should not be reading our emails, unless under a
court order.







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On Sat, 18 May 2019 18:37:32 -0400, Paul wrote:

https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en

Hi Paul,
Just to be clear, nobody expects privacy from Google.
o We expect HONESTY - not privacy.

Google has a privacy page - which apparently DOES NOT MENTION this process.

Google has a way to turn off some things (aka "pause") but that does NOT
INCLUDE THIS PROCESS.

SO while I fully comprehend what Lyndon Johnson called the shirt that
covers everything (the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution based on now-known lies),
Google also has a shirt that covers everything.

But what I care about isn't the privacy of this - but the HONESTY of it.

Two simple questions to separate the bull**** from the facts:
1. Did ANYONE on this ng _know_ about this (if so, _how_ did you know)?
2. Where on the net does Google describe _this_ specific process?

Bear in mind this process archives free stuff and mandatory US government
regulatory stuff - so it's not just the stuff you paid for with dollars.

In article , Paul
wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Please quote the language that allows Google to read my emails...

https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en

"Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) ===
to provide you personally relevant product features,
such as customized search results,
tailored advertising, ===
and spam and malware detection.

This analysis occurs as the content is
sent, received, and when it is stored.
"

It's handy that they mention that, but is anyone surprised ?

They're not Apple. Their main source of income, comes from
that paragraph. All their other flawed business are merely
an "expense" on their advertising goldmine.

If they could scan the air you're breathing, they would.

yep, and they're getting close to doing exactly that.

google tracks not just what you do online, but what you do *offline*:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/30/1...card-data-onli
ne-ads-offline-purchase-history-privacy
Google reportedly paid Mastercard millions of dollars for data on
what people have been buying. It used that data to build a tool for
advertisers that would break down whether people who had clicked
online ads later went on to purchase a product at a physical retail
store.

In article , Arlen G. Holder
wrote:


What I would like to find, or if someone else can find it, is where does
Google EXPLAIN that they're doing this type of archival, where, clearly,
*free* stuff and mandatory US regulatory registrations are _also_ archived.

terms of service, privacy policy, license agreements.

Clearly this stuff is in a _different_ place than the "normal" stuff.

no

o But did Google ever STATE that they were doing this?

yes.

In article , John Doe
wrote:

Please quote the language that allows Google to read my emails...

https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en
Google¹s privacy policies explain how we treat your personal data
and protect your privacy when you use our Services. By using our
Services, you agree that Google can use such data in accordance
with our privacy policies.
....
When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or
through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with)
a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create
derivative works (such as those resulting from translations,
adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works
better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform,
publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in
this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and
improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license
continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a
business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services
may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been
provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are
terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content
submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary
rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to
our Services.

Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to
provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized
search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection.
This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is
stored.

https://tools.google.com/dlpage/res/webmmf/en/eula.html
2.1 In order to use the Services, you must first agree to the Terms.
You may not use the Services if you do not accept the Terms.

2.2 You can accept the Terms by:
(A) clicking to accept or agree to the Terms, where this option is
made available to you by Google in the user interface for any
Service; or
(B) by actually using the Services. In this case, you understand
and agree that Google will treat your use of the Services as
acceptance of the Terms from that point onwards.

....
8.3 Google reserves the right (but shall have no obligation) to
pre-screen, review, flag, filter, modify, refuse or remove any or
all Content from any Service. For some of the Services, Google
may provide tools to filter out explicit sexual content. These
tools include the SafeSearch preference settings (see
http://www.google.com/help/customize.html#safe). In addition,
there are commercially available services and software to limit
access to material that you may find objectionable.

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold
in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the
Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give
Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and
non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate,
publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any
Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the
Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google
to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked
for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those
Services.

In article , John Doe
wrote:



It's a huge precedent.

it isn't.

The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

unless it's end to end encrypted, so can any other email provider and
any system that relays email.




An email provider should not be reading our emails, unless under a
court order.

should not and does not are very often different.

Of course Google is stealing information. Otherwise there would be a
way to turn it off. Otherwise it would not be on by default.
Otherwise it would not be a useless service that is ALREADY provided
by merchants in a functional form. Otherwise it would not be the
only such invasion of privacy of its kind.

Point to the language in Gmail's email agreement...

Point to the same language in any other email provider's
agreement...

I would look myself, but I do not do wild goose chases. I learned to
avoid them long ago. You make the assertion, you provide the
citation...

But of course this poster is just a troll, an Apple reject that has
been infesting this group for many months...

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always.look message.header wrote:

Wow. I wonder if that's in the agreement, that they can read my emails
without any justification such as a court order. The fact getting rid of
it is difficult is no surprise. They make it that way, intentionally.

they can, and do.

Apparently stealing information has become their forte.

they're not stealing.

you agreed to it by accepting their terms of service.

It's not just receipt tracking, it's them reading our emails. That is
what they are doing. If they can do it for that purpose, they can do it
for anything. Maybe I'll move everything to my Hotmail account.

that isn't any better.

In article , John Doe
wrote:

Of course Google is stealing information. Otherwise there would be a
way to turn it off. Otherwise it would not be on by default.

it's not stealing when the user *agrees* to provide it.

Otherwise it would not be a useless service that is ALREADY provided
by merchants in a functional form. Otherwise it would not be the
only such invasion of privacy of its kind.

if you don't agree to the terms, don't use the service.

Point to the language in Gmail's email agreement...

see other post

Point to the same language in any other email provider's
agreement...

refer to the terms of service for each service.

I would look myself, but I do not do wild goose chases. I learned to
avoid them long ago. You make the assertion, you provide the
citation...

there is no wild goose chase.

But of course this poster is just a troll

ad hominem.

Paul wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Please quote the language that allows Google to read my emails...

https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en

"Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) ===
to provide you personally relevant product features,
such as customized search results,
tailored advertising, ===
and spam and malware detection.

This analysis occurs as the content is
sent, received, and when it is stored.
"

It's handy that they mention that, but is anyone surprised ?

They're not Apple. Their main source of income, comes from
that paragraph. All their other flawed business are merely
an "expense" on their advertising goldmine.

If they could scan the air you're breathing, they would.

Apparently that was added in 2014. There might be some litigation
still occurring, if it hasn't been settled.

I believe the point of contention in that is "personally relevant
product features". That is an obscure term that can mean just about
anything. Providing "customized search results" sounds like a
dubious task. I want search results according to my search criteria.
It's all about advertising.

I doubt there is such language in any other email provider.

This Apple reject wouldn't know a "precedent"
from its mother's teeth...

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always.look message.header wrote:



It's a huge precedent.

it isn't.

The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

unless it's end to end encrypted, so can any other email provider and
any system that relays email.




An email provider should not be reading our emails, unless under a
court order.

should not and does not are very often different.

In article , John Doe
wrote:


I doubt there is such language in any other email provider.

there is.

Then point to it, you Apple reject troll...

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In article qbq3eh$frn$6 dont-email.me, John Doe
always.look message.header wrote:


I doubt there is such language in any other email provider.

there is.

On 19/05/2019 00.44, John Doe wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote:

Then train it.

That is just another troll.

I don't see why you are so worked out about this.

It's a huge precedent.

The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

Of course, and they do.


It is a feature

No, it's not. Even if it were useful, it is not nearly functional as
it is (already) done by online merchants.

and it was announced.

Point to it...

Example from 2013

https://www.itworld.com/article/2711018/find-all-your-receipts-in-gmail-automatically.html


I knew.

Or maybe you are lying.

And it is in the terms and conditions of the gmail account that it
is machine read and parsed.

Quote that language...

Gosh, are you that ignorant?


For any purpose Google feels like reading it?

Calling it "machine read" is irrelevant, it's being read by Google.
And apparently they think they can read our emails for any purpose.

It's called "getting your foot in the door" or "setting a
precedent". It is an invasion of privacy.

An email provider should not be reading our emails, unless under a
court order.

LOL. This is Google, not your mail provider. They told you. Go google it.

2009

http://ask-leo.com/is_yahoo_or_gmail_or_hotmail_or_reading_my_email.h tml


2004

https://epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html#21
https://epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html#25


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