Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMail account.

On 19/05/2019 00.47, nospam wrote:
In article , John Doe
wrote:



It's a huge precedent.

it isn't.

They told it from day one...


The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

unless it's end to end encrypted, so can any other email provider and
any system that relays email.

Absolutely.



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On 19/05/2019 00.37, Paul wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Please quote the language that allows Google to read my emails...


https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en

Â*Â* "Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) ===
Â*Â*Â* to provide you personally relevant product features,
Â*Â*Â* such as customized search results,
Â*Â*Â* tailored advertising,Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ===
Â*Â*Â* and spam and malware detection.

Â*Â*Â* This analysis occurs as the content is
Â*Â*Â* sent, received, and when it is stored.
Â*Â* "

It's handy that they mention that, but is anyone surprised ?

They're not Apple. Their main source of income, comes from
that paragraph. All their other flawed business are merely
an "expense" on their advertising goldmine.

If they could scan the air you're breathing, they would.

Thanks, you saved me the effort :-D

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Cheers, Carlos.

If there were nothing unusual about the practice of reading
customers' emails, other email providers would do it. But they
don't. Microsoft doesn't. There are some ads in Hotmail, or you can
pay for the service.

It's a SHOCKING practice. Government is not even allowed to read our
emails, without a court order. At least here in the United States,
no one is allowed to monitor customer communications without a court
order. Not the mail service and not the telephone service. It should
be no different for email. Sooner or later Google will get in
trouble for abusing it.

A Google fanboy from Spain...

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On 18/05/2019 23.41, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 20:08:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I don't see why you are so worked out about this. It is a feature and it
was announced. I knew. And it is in the terms and conditions of the
gmail account that it is machine read and parsed.

Hi Carlos,

We've both been on Usenet for quite a long time so we've heard all the bs.

Everyone loves to claim that they know everything (just ask Diesel who
claimed he knew how to write to the iOS visible file system from Windows
when we easily proved he was simply making it all up).

The fact you claim to know what most people clearly did NOT know is
irrelevant if you haven't inform4ed people of the problem and, more
importantly, of the potential solutions.

Why should I? I don't see any problem, nor anything to be solved.


(bull**** skipped)

There is very clearly in my gmail web page a Label named receipts, since
some months. I saw it. And I saw somewhere they mentioned it. If you
call me stupid for not sharing how to remove it (and I don't want to
remove it), I'll call you stupid for not seeing it.

The terms and conditions, which I accepted more than a decade ago, says
that they machine scan every post and will do things with them, like add
adverts and features. We commented on this many years ago (not talking
of usenet), and we decided that anyone wanting privacy should not use
gmail. So most of my receipts are on another account.

It is currently empty, but it should show some. Perhaps I should
complain to Google for not finding those receipts. Done! I have trained
Gmail to detect some of my receipts.


Look, an article dated 2013 where they talk about this featu

https://www.itworld.com/article/2711018/find-all-your-receipts-in-gmail-automatically.html


Gosh!

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Cheers, Carlos.

No, Google did not "tell it from day one". In fact, they had to add
language in 2014 to avoid lawsuits.

Microsoft does not read their customers emails. Problem is, this
poster comes from a country that isn't used to freedom we have here
in the United States...

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On 19/05/2019 00.47, nospam wrote:
In article qbq1rq$frn$4 dont-email.me, John Doe
always.look message.header wrote:



It's a huge precedent.

it isn't.

They told it from day one...


The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

unless it's end to end encrypted, so can any other email provider and
any system that relays email.

Absolutely.



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Cheers, Carlos.

That the poster can find citations about the unethical practice is
not surprising. My question was about the user agreement. Whether
the poster knew about the unethical practice, only the Shadow knows.
And it still did not provide a Google "announcement" of the
practice.

The fact Google had to add language to its user agreement in 2014 is
telling. It was under pressure from lawsuits against the unethical
practice of reading its customers' emails.

This post is from a Spanish Google fanboy (perhaps an employee of
Google)...

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On 19/05/2019 00.44, John Doe wrote:
"Carlos E.R." robin_listas es.invalid wrote:

Then train it.

That is just another troll.

I don't see why you are so worked out about this.

It's a huge precedent.

The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

Of course, and they do.


It is a feature

No, it's not. Even if it were useful, it is not nearly functional as
it is (already) done by online merchants.

and it was announced.

Point to it...

Example from 2013

https://www.itworld.com/article/2711018/find-all-your-receipts-in-gmail-automatically.html


I knew.

Or maybe you are lying.

And it is in the terms and conditions of the gmail account that it
is machine read and parsed.

Quote that language...

Gosh, are you that ignorant?


For any purpose Google feels like reading it?

Calling it "machine read" is irrelevant, it's being read by Google.
And apparently they think they can read our emails for any purpose.

It's called "getting your foot in the door" or "setting a
precedent". It is an invasion of privacy.

An email provider should not be reading our emails, unless under a
court order.

LOL. This is Google, not your mail provider. They told you. Go google it.

2009

http://ask-leo.com/is_yahoo_or_gmail_or_hotmail_or_reading_my_email.h tml


2004

https://epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html#21
https://epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html#25


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"Carlos E.R." wrote:

https://epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html#21

https://epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html#32

Apparently it violates California's wiretapping law.

Thanks for the link, Carlos... lol.

Now I get to look for litigation... Should be some. Maybe Google settles
out of court. I suppose maybe they could stop the litigation with an
adjudicated agreement. Otherwise seems it would be a continuous stream.

LOL!!!

https://www.mediapost.com/publicatio...alifornia.html

Of course it will be a long drawn out battle. But at least it's been
certified as a class action lawsuit. That's where the federal case
failed.

Brown v. Google, Santa Clara County Superior Court Case No. 18CV324895
In Brown v. Google, Gallo LLP represents the first 24 non-Gmail
users seeking damages from Google for its violations of state laws
requiring both sides consent to intercept electronic communications
(email). California law (CIPA) provides $5,000 in statutory damages
per violation. Click the link below to see if you qualify. We
already got an injunction against Google in Matera v. Google,
preventing Google from intercepting and processing emails to @Gmail
addresses for advertising purposes. See www.gmailsettlement.com

In article , John Doe
wrote:


It's a SHOCKING practice. Government is not even allowed to read our
emails, without a court order. At least here in the United States,
no one is allowed to monitor customer communications without a court
order. Not the mail service and not the telephone service. It should
be no different for email. Sooner or later Google will get in
trouble for abusing it.

false. law enforcement generally can't without a warrant, but others
can, which is partly how spam filtering works.

In article , John Doe
wrote:

No, Google did not "tell it from day one". In fact, they had to add
language in 2014 to avoid lawsuits.

they did tell it from day one.

https://variety.com/2017/digital/new...ails-120247732
1/
With that step, Google is getting rid of one of its most
controversial advertising features. Ever since Google first
introduced its free Gmail email service some 13 years ago, it
has been analyzing the text of emails to personalize advertising
displayed both within Gmail and elsewhere. Privacy advocates and
concerned users alike have long criticized this as a far-reaching
intrusion, but most other free email services have been doing the
same ‹ or at least reserved the rights to do so ‹ for years.
....
Does this mean that Google will stop looking at your email? Not
exactly. The company has also long been scanning Gmail accounts
for other reasons, and in fact increased product personalization
based on the emails you get over the years.

The Google app on your phone, for example, knows when your
next flight is leaving, and whether or not it has been delayed, based
on emails you get from airlines and travel booking sites. Similarly,
Google Calendar has begun to automatically add restaurant
reservations and similar events to your schedule based on the emails
you are getting. Google also has for some time automatically scanned
emails for links to potentially fraudulent sites, as well as to
filter out spam.

Microsoft does not read their customers emails.

yes they do.

send a terrorist threat using outlook.com and see how well that works
out for you.

Problem is, this
poster comes from a country that isn't used to freedom we have here
in the United States...

problem is, you don't understand how things work and call everyone else
a troll.

email, text messages, and anything else that's not encrypted can
potentially be read by others.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


It's a huge precedent.

it isn't.

They told it from day one...

yep.

The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

unless it's end to end encrypted, so can any other email provider and
any system that relays email.

Absolutely.

yep, and well known since the first email was sent ~50 years ago.

A persistent Apple fanboy troll that came to infest
this group many months ago...

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In article qbq8p7$1ep$3 dont-email.me, John Doe
always.look message.header wrote:


It's a SHOCKING practice. Government is not even allowed to read our
emails, without a court order. At least here in the United States,
no one is allowed to monitor customer communications without a court
order. Not the mail service and not the telephone service. It should
be no different for email. Sooner or later Google will get in
trouble for abusing it.

false. law enforcement generally can't without a warrant, but others
can, which is partly how spam filtering works.

Scanning for viruses is completely different than scanning for
user information.

There are in fact "people in a back room reading emails".

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/2/17...l-email-access

Some of those "trusted" companies include email managing firms
Return Path and Edison Software, which have had opportunities in the
past to access thousands of email accounts. The WSJ talked to both
companies, which said they had human engineers view hundreds to
thousands of email messages in order to train machine algorithms to
handle the data. Both Return Path's and Edison Software's privacy
policies mention that the companies will monitor emails. Still, they
don't mention that human engineers and not only machines have
access.

Edison Software responded in a statement to The Verge, "We have
since stopped this practice and expunged all such data in order to
stay consistent with our company's commitment to achieving the
highest standards possible for ensuring privacy."?

The situation is reminiscent of the conditions that led to
Facebook's Cambridge Analytica data sharing fiasco: something that
was common practice for years - letting third-party apps access
Facebook data - WAS EVENTUALLY ABUSED and fell under government and
public scrutiny once it became well known.



This Apple reject doesn't read, it just trolls its opinions. Such is
the way of a chronic liar. No need for facts. When you refute its
lies, it simply makes up more lies to cover its prior lies...

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In article qbqkt1$127$2 dont-email.me, John Doe
always.look message.header wrote:

The first Google result, the highlighted result, for "Does Microsoft read
your emails?"

"MICROSOFT's email service, like Gmail, advertises for revenue, but
DOESN'T USE YOUR EMAILS TO TARGET THOSE ADS. They do scan for
security threats, like phishing links and possible malware
attachments, but NO ONE IS READING YOUR EMAILS at any stage of the
process."

there aren't people in a back room reading emails, however, the
contents *is* scanned, exactly as that link states.

In article , John Doe
wrote:

Scanning for viruses is completely different than scanning for
user information.

both look at the content.

There are in fact "people in a back room reading emails".

there are not.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/2/17...full-email-acc
ess


Google told The Verge that it only gives data to vetted third-party
developers and with users¹ explicit consent.
....
Google employees may also read emails but only in ³very specific
cases where you ask us to and give consent, or where we need to
for security purposes, such as investigating a bug or abuse,² the
company stated to the WSJ.

note the part 'with consent'.

On Sat, 18 May 2019 22:44:10 -0000 (UTC), John Doe wrote:

"Carlos E.R." wrote:

Then train it.

That is just another troll.

I don't see why you are so worked out about this.

It's a huge precedent.

The problem is... If Google can read our emails for this trivial
purpose, then Google can read our emails for any other purpose it
feels like reading our emails for.

It is a feature

No, it's not. Even if it were useful, it is not nearly functional as
it is (already) done by online merchants.

and it was announced.

Point to it...

I knew.

Or maybe you are lying.

And it is in the terms and conditions of the gmail account that it
is machine read and parsed.

Quote that language...

For any purpose Google feels like reading it?

Calling it "machine read" is irrelevant, it's being read by Google.
And apparently they think they can read our emails for any purpose.

It's called "getting your foot in the door" or "setting a
precedent". It is an invasion of privacy.

An email provider should not be reading our emails, unless under a
court order.

I blame Ray Tomlinson who invented email back in the '70s; in those
days there was this quaint notion that users were generally honest
citizens. This the email protocols were light on security and
privacy. The general idea that early developers were collegiate in
their approach and this lead to clever efficient solutions to
problems overlooks issues that no-one thought important in those
days. Thus in the 21st C. we find it difficult to row back on early
design mistakes, and blame the likes of Zuckerberg for the failings
of earlier designers.

[ridiculous amount of cross posting cut back]

On 19/05/2019 03.02, John Doe wrote:
The language was added to Google's user agreement in 2014.
Under pressure from lawsuits.

Microsoft started a campaign against Google for reading its
customers emails, so obviously Microsoft does not do it.

Stop spewing nonsense, point to the language in any other email
provider's user agreement...


LOL

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