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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMailaccount.
On 5/19/2019 2:16 PM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Do others get completely different results when using these methods? 1. WEB BASED SEARCH QUERY label:^smartlabel_receipt 2. https://myaccount.google.com/purchases #1 shows nothing but tells me that there are results in spam/deleted -- these are all UPS shipping/delivery notifications #2 shows nothing |
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMailaccount.
On 19/05/2019 20.16, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
I'm allergic to bull**** from people who say they knew about this all along o And yet, they almost certainly did not (yet they bull**** us anyway) You can believe what you wish and insult me at large if that makes you happier. I knew that google was collecting receipts since about two year. And that they scan and read my email since ever. I did read the term and conditions in full with my first google account - and at that time, it was an experiment, you got one by invitation. You may google me and find how I warned people against gmail "because they read your emails" more than a decade ago. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMailaccount.
On 19/05/2019 20.42, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote | Isn't that the worst of both worlds? You're taking | the word of a sleazy, known liar and getting no benefit. | | I don't think gmail has lied to me so far. | Good luck with that. The whole presentation is a lie, inasmuch as there's no real agreement or awareness about the extent of spying. Google, of course, would claim it's in their terms, but that's nonsense. Well, it was in their terms. Maybe not in clear words for everybody to understand, but it was there. So no, they did not lie. You can like it, or not use it, your choice. Why do you think I do not use gmail for business mail such as receipts? And no TOS can rightly claim the right to rifle through your personal effects, much less analyze the data and sell it on. Just this week there was news that Google knows shopping history due to purchase receipts being sent to gmail. A storm in a tea pot. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMail account.
"Carlos E.R." wrote
| The whole presentation is a lie, inasmuch as there's | no real agreement or awareness about the extent of | spying. Google, of course, would claim it's in their terms, | but that's nonsense. | | Well, it was in their terms. Maybe not in clear words for everybody to | understand, but it was there. So no, they did not lie. They've effectively lied in that they know virtually everyone won't understand or be aware of how they operate. Much of the Internet works that way. It depends on the spying being invisible. Another great example of outright lying is the pretense that you can delete your email when you actually can't. http://news.com.com/Police+blotter+J...3-6050295.html (Link now goes to a junk page for me because I don't enable script. It might work with script or it might be removed.) | You can like it, | or not use it, your choice. Why do you think I do not use gmail for | business mail such as receipts? | ? You may have misunderstood. The point was that a lot of people use their gmail address to have sales receipts sent to but didn't realize Google is storing and mining that data to track their purchases. | Just this week there was news that Google | knows shopping history due to purchase receipts being | sent to gmail. | | A storm in a tea pot. | Yes. That's generally what gmail users say. But then you defend them and try to find a way to not see them as sleazy liars. |
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMailaccount.
On 5/19/19 PDT 12:35 PM, John McGaw wrote:
On 5/19/2019 2:16 PM, Arlen G. Holder wrote: Do others get completely different results when using these methods? 1. WEB BASED SEARCH QUERYÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* label:^smartlabel_receipt 2. https://myaccount.google.com/purchases #1 shows nothing but tells me that there are results in spam/deleted -- these are all UPS shipping/delivery notifications #2 shows nothing It shows a lot of x posting. |
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMail account.
There is a recent add-on called Stylus for Firefox. Looks like it will
do for replacing Stylebot for Chrome. Being able to change webpage CSS is just necessary! It might not be as automated (yet), but at least it is under development. I will probably find an alternative to my Gmail email account as well, at least for anything potentially important like window shopping. Maybe Fastmail. I might do an installation of Windows without any trace of Chrome. The fact Google does not allow turning off the intrusion or reasonably removing the entries is outrageous. And they say all they are doing is providing a service. Yeah, right. I could remove the entries via scripting, but what a hassle. When YouTube/Google deletes someone's YouTube account, the user has no way of retrieving their videos and stuff. But I bet the creeps keep an archive of it. |
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMailaccount.
On 20/05/2019 04.34, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote | The whole presentation is a lie, inasmuch as there's | no real agreement or awareness about the extent of | spying. Google, of course, would claim it's in their terms, | but that's nonsense. | | Well, it was in their terms. Maybe not in clear words for everybody to | understand, but it was there. So no, they did not lie. They've effectively lied in that they know virtually everyone won't understand or be aware of how they operate. Much of the Internet works that way. It depends on the spying being invisible. But it is not invisible, and no, they did not lie. Another great example of outright lying is the pretense that you can delete your email when you actually can't. Oh, but they said they are working on making that easier. http://news.com.com/Police+blotter+J...3-6050295.html (Link now goes to a junk page for me because I don't enable script. It might work with script or it might be removed.) | You can like it, | or not use it, your choice. Why do you think I do not use gmail for | business mail such as receipts? | ? You may have misunderstood. The point was that a lot of people use their gmail address to have sales receipts sent to but didn't realize Google is storing and mining that data to track their purchases. Their fault entirely. | Just this week there was news that Google | knows shopping history due to purchase receipts being | sent to gmail. | | A storm in a tea pot. | Yes. That's generally what gmail users say. But then you defend them and try to find a way to not see them as sleazy liars. Because they did not lie... They are other things, but not liars. It was very clear that they scanned and spied us. They told us. It is their business model. You still use them? Your fault. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to yourGMail account.
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Hash: SHA256 Carlos E.R. wrote: On 19/05/2019 20.16, Arlen G. Holder wrote: I'm allergic to bull**** from people who say they knew about this all along o And yet, they almost certainly did not (yet they bull**** us anyway) You can believe what you wish and insult me at large if that makes you happier. I knew that google was collecting receipts since about two year. And that they scan and read my email since ever. I did read the term and conditions in full with my first google account - and at that time, it was an experiment, you got one by invitation. You may google me and find how I warned people against gmail "because they read your emails" more than a decade ago. I've worked in "email admin" before (well, more being the gofer for the admin when he was busy doing whatever massaging of Exchange was necessary). It's surprising how many people in a corporate environment think that their (corporate) emails are private, and get all bent out of shape when they find out that is false. "It's right there in the employee handbook that you didn't read..." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlzijV 8ACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooG2rwgAhSTgaA3XrAMFzDnydIOYovWiV6Z9Xfb8joW/rWRCC3vGBIVmpJu4tMZG qTSGJHYWT2SC8UBGumKe/2OXgyWZLGcnnOhhCE5umZOS613DvUFyAzcr7UjHnQKR mr9vJ1+k0v3h6xPMq3RPEz15NxGPCTSFrWGsSuizz9/eATsI9THNCn/DoF2kD8cn vycVMLoMkMnKal5eXGq5fk+KeWDkHI68QRQRs7pddjqU2vwz7t uTXKf+zQTtU7dc AfO01m0SRtAe2+OTyRSE0iZ4MeJLy+sGQrkRNAsUmyfc2J1nmD JAU+EqkWTLTB0C paOIUfMauQJJx1KpMhrHtLwZZFQLJw== =mKEi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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Hash: SHA256 Carlos E.R. wrote: [...] But you can hire gmail to handle your own domain email, I believe. Those gmail say they don't inspect, they have different conditions. You can. I know of several small businesses (i.e. 1 man shops) that do this. It's been a while, but the actual terms are more along the lines of "lesser" scanning (i.e. they don't try targeting ads to you based on the communications, some other things). The only way to get it "uninspected(tm)" (spam filtering and basic email sanity still happens) is to tell them you're handling PII (i.e. subject to HIPAA / other privacy laws). Bear in mind though: (A) I'm in the states. Your locality may require differnt things. (B) This was years before GDPR. Things may have changed due to that. (C) I'm hardly an expert in the matter. Was helping a friend get the technical aspects down, before making a decision to move. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlzikG EACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooFjTwf/b98qx1g6w1HoejRTBhnBRWIvVE/3j0rND3aqUU2mtCFtfpeIqHkUkLT5 jy+yxyZCzRi34WLWkWAuPUtZgMuMpaWuF0Xwo302KfEn3AwoVP uKEYHoKjfUyooA cz4E2us3ltO4cRjQb1oZn2IK6J4P4FJ6kQsQHDdOhc8tg08FZ9 33gt4wKAhSq80X dsY2I1V/pfioSthnXmsD9v4Upwt2WHSBh7LMguvBLT/dMqaw0ZSVePkXiPhDULuN +lYmb6TVjbjI6dTjKB4FyCH7Gnh0qtJa8fshhxCzD4BamSyMRs deYXnJNYyyf0/6 IL3il7e53IynNkT7QZdCQV/xnMciGg== =VQYd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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Hash: SHA256 Mayayana wrote: "Carlos E.R." wrote | But you can hire gmail to handle your own domain email, I believe. Those | gmail say they don't inspect, they have different conditions. | Isn't that the worst of both worlds? You're taking the word of a sleazy, known liar and getting no benefit. If your email is coming from there's still the risk of getting blocked. It doesn't matter who the smtp server is. In other words, the point of using gmail is specifically that email from gmail.com tends to be trusted. In those instances, it's still coming from " -- it's just being sent by google's mailservers rather than a box sitting in the "acme.com" offices. Same as when companies use outlook.com / o365 mail, or probably any other "cloud(tm)" mail provider. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlzikQ gACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooGXcQf+PyM8i09JiFcAdSJtHHlpVWTGJ7yFjTKfSnnxjUh506/3NoJ77p0NGBCn WeEc9Wxece+brYZov+bPw0KruGrcglnk4EZskWUw6o+R1OMJO5 o254fcP4fxGNM2 WzDKBhCMzUq2+l2tz4qNdrnR97Og4YGBnEAUPQtg0v6Ot9ZFDB V5Th+25lN6AmhA FXycDvAYxqVK4kzhCisTf+1Z6YjbynAKc18xJ/frGdsF6vSr3s1eJL7ZQO+Hi6DC GVkmt570UyhksyUEQrQP1SsSa0ybVX3Ci4kQgew7DcHaZdJC6s 9/k8mKGbsFmgpe /E8PgHdiaImrhTy7EXeZ7Ll8YpQeBA== =7O2x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMail account.
Why are we still feeding Mr. Holden?
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Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMailaccount.
On 20/05/2019 13.20, Dan Purgert wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote: On 19/05/2019 20.16, Arlen G. Holder wrote: I'm allergic to bull**** from people who say they knew about this all along o And yet, they almost certainly did not (yet they bull**** us anyway) You can believe what you wish and insult me at large if that makes you happier. I knew that google was collecting receipts since about two year. And that they scan and read my email since ever. I did read the term and conditions in full with my first google account - and at that time, it was an experiment, you got one by invitation. You may google me and find how I warned people against gmail "because they read your emails" more than a decade ago. I've worked in "email admin" before (well, more being the gofer for the admin when he was busy doing whatever massaging of Exchange was necessary). It's surprising how many people in a corporate environment think that their (corporate) emails are private, and get all bent out of shape when they find out that is false. "It's right there in the employee handbook that you didn't read..." In some countries, it is illegal. Which is a funny situation, as nothing impedes the admin from seeing email "by accident". Admins and supervisors have found themselves in court because of that. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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"Carlos E.R." wrote
| Because they did not lie... It's worse than I thought. Classic abusee behavior, defending the abuser. | It was very clear that they | scanned and spied us. They told us. Ask the average person. Do they actually realize what's happening? No. If you push it they'll say something like, "Ah, they got you coming and going. There's nothing you can do. No sense worrying." They're certainly not going to pore over pages of misleading legalese. And Google know that. (There used to be articles in PC magazines in the 90s, meant to be humorous, about all the claims made in software click-through licenses. They were ridiculous. Unfortunately, they're also legally binding.) It was very clear the tobacco companies were honest about cancer risks. It was very clear that Monsanto warned about glyphosate.... Woops. Come to think of it, they're still denying it. Ask the average gardener about RoundUp risks. They'll pooh-pooh it. In the face of conflicting or hidden information people take the easiest option. Most people will snicker or say something about tinfoil hat liberals. They only care about removing the grass from the cracks in their driveway without having to bend over. Today, despite numerous warnings about cigarettes, I've have never seen a discussion of the problem of toxic additives and herbicides used on tobacco, which is unregulated because tobacco is classed a non-food plant. Do we even know whether tobacco alone is a health risk? No. Do people realize the bread they eat is made with flour from wheat sprayed with glyphosate at harvest, simply because it helps to dry to wheat faster? It's being used to shrivel the wheat plant for easier harvesting! Those are just a sampling of the thousands of issues that people could* be aware of but are not. Information like that is out there. Knowing the data and the implications is another matter. It generally takes years or even decades for the general public to catch up. Research showed hydrogenated fats were bad in the 70s. Only in recent years have "experts" caught up. Why? It would have just been too disruptive to ban them. Corporations don't spend billions on lobbying and marketing just for fun. (Though Europe is more civilized and humane than the US. You at least have better regulations. Most of the push toward privacy now is not coming from grassroots but rather from US media running stories about EU fines and regulation. Without the EU we in the US would have no hope of action.) | It is their business model. You | still use them? Your fault. | Unfortunately it's not that simple. I've never used gmail and block all Google/Doublclick domains online except google.com itself, which I rarely use. But I can't run my business or email friends without accepting gmail. Too many use it. There was a class action case against Google for spying on people who haven't agreed to the terms (like me), but if I remember correctly it failed. I block webmail at my website. I figure anyone writing me there wants help so they can at least use a real, non-sleazy email account if they want to reach me. But in general I can't afford to do that. There's really no option but to keep reminding the public that not only are companies like Google establishing an immoral corporate precedent but that we also risk losing basic freedoms to their monopoly. Most in the younger generation already can't grasp that concept. They've grown up with the likes of Google, Apple and Facebook owning their social life and communication, selling it back to them with spyware and ads. This past weekend I got a second invite to my neighbors' baby's birthday party. The invite is from evite.com. I just delete such things. I don't accept social invitations from "social sites". But my neighbors don't have any idea how antisocial it is to have a for-profit corporation handle their social interactions. To put it another way, they young have grown up ina privately owned shopping mall and can't grasp the idea that a generation ago people were citizens who could meet on the town common, while now they're consumers who have to buy stuff to take part in public life. On the bright side, it's actually become trendy for journalists to acknowledge privacy issues -- an indication that it's becoming a mainstream, non-controversial position. Last week in the NYT (that beacon of mainstream, consensus reality) I saw an article about music options. Since I don't listen to music I didn't pay much attention, but the headline caught my eye: The reviewer was saying that despite using numerous streaming services his preference is CDs, because there's no sleazy spyware involved. Not long ago that article would have been impossible. His view would have been too fringey for the mainstream media to even acknowledge. Even now, the use of CDs is couched inside an article that name-drops nearly every streaming service and supports using those services. |
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"Dan Purgert" wrote
| Isn't that the worst of both worlds? You're taking | the word of a sleazy, known liar and getting no benefit. | If your email is coming from there's still | the risk of getting blocked. It doesn't matter who the | smtp server is. In other words, the point of using gmail | is specifically that email from gmail.com tends to be | trusted. | | In those instances, it's still coming from " -- it's just | being sent by google's mailservers rather than a box sitting in the | "acme.com" offices. Yes, that was my point. The spam filter is seeing the "From". It's not going to judge the email trustworthy just because Google is one of the servers mentioned in the header. |
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Hash: SHA256 Carlos E.R. wrote: On 20/05/2019 13.20, Dan Purgert wrote: [...] "It's right there in the employee handbook that you didn't read..." In some countries, it is illegal. Which is a funny situation, as nothing impedes the admin from seeing email "by accident". Admins and supervisors have found themselves in court because of that. Not here (US) -- the accounts are "company property(tm)". But then again, I haven't email admin'd in quite a long time. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlzirK AACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooGjpQgArSG4LiRDK+2H9acPAAu0j/XzYHZHYVu6SEcGzcrAQeZODhIB32vZVo17 qGK/BBeQGRVXY9MKiRQ9RBStbmLfBt+ik35XM+MJ/WKlh52121qdU8nDvGHqv2yb b7Jeo5T+uA7LMRiNg/d29uMUVZSLDW22BeoTQt8Peaq6RBNZix8YBwJk/DKLx/+2 Xul35qKgjWjbTpBH7AXDgaCSKmLPpBluB0cmQ52BvD4msJbrND 6IZC5FXMSe56Ua hMyzdr1TEBdkK1GKbNOf3A6kck8c05a1WL7MzUAIll02wn4fRM 0D8/PAfr/DfY8Y 14As2U70qkz8wm8InMg3JD+Aj/sTug== =X/w7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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