Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail" account - so all benefit from our efforts

In article , Oliver Wilson
wrote:

My ladyfriend has an Android. I'm not sure she even knows
her gmail address. They forced her to have one when she got
the phone. Just another Google sleazeball move that was
irrelevant to her.

Does your ladyfriend say yes to everything without even thinking about the
question?

she thought about it more than you do, arlen.

You don't have to say yes when Google asks you to create an id when you set
up a new Android phone.

true. it can use an existing one, arlen.

Many people just say no and the Android phone works just as well without the
google id.

no it does not, arlen.

"Oliver Wilson" wrote


You don't have to say yes when Google asks you to create an id when you set
up a new Android phone.
Many people just say no and the Android phone works just as well without the
google id.
Same with location services.
Same with everything.
Just say no.

Nobody forces you to say yes.


Interesting. She got it at T-Mobile and they
set it up, saying it was required as part of phone
setup. I don't use a computer phone so I didn't
pay much attention. But I suppose it doesn't
really matter. They assigned something random
and she's never logged on.

On 2019-05-20, Mayayana wrote:
"Oliver Wilson" wrote


You don't have to say yes when Google asks you to create an id when you set
up a new Android phone.
Many people just say no and the Android phone works just as well without the
google id.
Same with location services.
Same with everything.
Just say no.

Nobody forces you to say yes.


Interesting. She got it at T-Mobile and they
set it up, saying it was required as part of phone
setup. I don't use a computer phone so I didn't
pay much attention. But I suppose it doesn't
really matter. They assigned something random
and she's never logged on.

People working in Phone stores are not necessarily the most clued up
people as to what is necessary and what not.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:


You don't have to say yes when Google asks you to create an id when you set
up a new Android phone.
Many people just say no and the Android phone works just as well without the
google id.
Same with location services.
Same with everything.
Just say no.

Nobody forces you to say yes.


Interesting. She got it at T-Mobile and they
set it up, saying it was required as part of phone
setup.

it is.

I don't use a computer phone so I didn't
pay much attention. But I suppose it doesn't
really matter.

it doesn't.

They assigned something random
and she's never logged on.

it does when she uses the phone.

On 5/19/19 PDT 10:15 PM, John Doe wrote:
Note the redirection after it posts to all of the groups...


Sleuth! Well done, ace.

On 20/05/2019 22.41, Mayayana wrote:
"Oliver Wilson" wrote


You don't have to say yes when Google asks you to create an id when you set
up a new Android phone.
Many people just say no and the Android phone works just as well without the
google id.
Same with location services.
Same with everything.
Just say no.

Nobody forces you to say yes.


Interesting. She got it at T-Mobile and they
set it up, saying it was required as part of phone
setup.

It is.

I don't use a computer phone so I didn't
pay much attention. But I suppose it doesn't
really matter. They assigned something random
and she's never logged on.

Unless you login, you do not get updates or backups.

Make sure she has the login name and password written somewhere, because
on rare occasions the thing may ask for them (like a google servers
failure, happened once to me and thousands more people around here).
Specially when migrating to a new phone, which will happen eventually,
and normally you want at least the phone book copied over.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Tue, 21 May 2019 00:36:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Unless you login, you do not get updates or backups.

Hi Carlos,

Facts first; only then can adults rationally discuss logic.
o Android phones do NOT need a Google Account

Can you please clarify what you feel does NOT update
o When we simply say "no" to the Google prompt to create an ID?

I only care about the facts, where the narrative changes with the facts.
o But I must say I'm allergic to bull**** such that BS makes me irritable

It's hard to tell if you're just bull****ting again, or not though
o Becuase you didn't clarify "which" updates or backups you speak of.

Certainly I automatically back up my phone all the time
o Without needing anything to do with a Google Account

It's not clear what you're talking about, as I'm not sure from what you
wrote whether you were talking about apps or if you were talking about the
system, but both seem to update just fine on my non-rooted Android phone
(AFAIK) - which has no Google Account.

I haven't had a Google account on my phone for quite some time, and my
system is updated better than most according to this thread which asked
everyone what version they were automatically updated to:
o What "Android security patch level" is your Android phone currently at?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/WKsE8UROGOA/ZrwWceTPAQAJ

In fact, I've gone further than to eliminate the Google ID in that I've
eliminated _all_ the Google-named apps that didn't break the system
outright (which was all but one):
o In Nougat, which google apps can we safely DISABLE?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/8rHYBivfNtU/GWsiku14DAAJ
And
o GSF independent free, ad free, email programs for Android on Google Play
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/fQPHDg9VutI/8QhMreVoCwAJ

If you're talking about apps updating, instead of the system updating, then
that also is already covered in this thread which _is_ Google Play, just
Google Play wearing a white lab coat instead of the familiar pajamas:
o Is there any free FUNCTIONALITY that you need to do on Android, that you can't do WITHOUT a Google Account?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/xzaii4eUY_E/8ZI6VRL8AAAJ

In summary, since I'm allergic to bull****, and since I'm beholden to
facts, all I ask is for you to clarify your statements that "Unless you
login, you do not get updates or backups", since I seem to not have the
problems you claim, and I clearly do not have a Google Account on my
Android phone.

To be clear: I'm not saying you're right or wrong - because you didn't
clarify what you were talking about - I'm simply asking for the facts which
you based your belief system upon - and I provided the circumstantial data
by which my belief system is based upon (which is empirical).

In article ,
Oliver Wilson wrote:
Mon, 20 May 2019 09:08:37 -0400, \
My ladyfriend has an Android. I'm not sure she even knows
her gmail address. They forced her to have one when she got
the phone. Just another Google sleazeball move that was
irrelevant to her.

Does your ladyfriend say yes to everything without even thinking about the
question?

That's the kind of "ladyfriend" most guys want.

--
"You can safely assume that you have created God in your own image when
it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." -- Anne Lamott

On 21/05/2019 02.40, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 00:36:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Unless you login, you do not get updates or backups.

Hi Carlos,

Facts first; only then can adults rationally discuss logic.
o Android phones do NOT need a Google Account

Can you please clarify what you feel does NOT update
o When we simply say "no" to the Google prompt to create an ID?

I only care about the facts, where the narrative changes with the facts.
o But I must say I'm allergic to bull**** such that BS makes me irritable

It's hard to tell if you're just bull****ting again, or not though
o Becuase you didn't clarify "which" updates or backups you speak of.

I'm not replying with that language of yours. Not even reading the rest.
Wash your mouth with soap before attempting again, if you wish.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

"Kenny McCormack" wrote

| Does your ladyfriend say yes to everything without even thinking about
the
| question?
|
| That's the kind of "ladyfriend" most guys want.
|

That's not a ladyfriend. That's a Cherry 2000.

On Tue, 21 May 2019 13:21:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I'm not replying with that language of yours. Not even reading the rest.
Wash your mouth with soap before attempting again, if you wish.

Hi Carlos,

I'm allergic to bull****, such that I break out in a rash when I hear it:
o Your bull****
o nospam's bull****

The logic of both your brains can be replaced by the results of a coin toss
o Your credibility is _that_ bad

Meanwhile, my credibility is stellar as I've never even once been shown
wrong on material facts(1) since I don't own an imaginary belief system.

If you wonder why I would "risk" alienating you, the answer is simple
o All you both _can_ do, is bull****.

You're dead wrong that you "need" a Google Account.
o The fact is that you fail the _simplest_ of tests, both you & nospam,

The simplest of tests of an imaginary belief system is three simple words
o Name just one

Those who own imaginary belief systems (i.e., you & nospam) never pass
o You can't ever pass even the _simplest_ of adult belief system tests.

This is the test of anyone who claims you _need_ a Google Account
o Name just one.

Name just 1 functionality you don't already have WITHOUT a Google Account
o Name just one

o Is there any FUNCTIONALITY that you need to do on Android, that you can't do WITHOUT a Google Account?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/xzaii4eUY_E/8ZI6VRL8AAAJ

--
(1) Since I'm human and since I've posted thousands upon thousands of facts
on Usenet over many years, I must have, at least once or twice, gotten a
material fact wrong, but since my belief system is based on facts, nobody
has _ever_ found a material fact wrong, and Lord knows, they would _love_
to prove me wrong. Certainly, since Usenet is casual, I make momentary
thinkos and typos, so I'm talking here about material facts, particularlly
those that are challenged, where I've _never_ once been shown to be wrong.
It's not hubris; it's simply that I don't bull****. My belief system is not
only _based_ on facts, but I modify my belief system as needed, with new
facts. Unfortunately, Usenet contains many people who "intuit" their logic,
sans a shred of facts to back it up, such that they always fail a simple
"name just one" factual challenge, which DESTROYS imaginary belief systems
in seconds (and for that alone, they hate me, which is OK by me as they
don't add any value to the Usenet Potluck by their coin-toss credibility).

On Tue, 21 May 2019 14:00:02 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen G. Holder" wrote:

Meanwhile, my credibility is stellar as I've never even once been
shown wrong on material facts(1) since I don't own an imaginary
belief system.

Clearly you don't know you nearly as well as all the rest of us do.

Here, once again, is a pointer to the biggest lie I know of that you've
so far told (although there are bound to be bigger ones):
Message-ID:

You know the one; it's where you said that you've written TEN THOUSAND
tutorials.

Now, if that's not the product of an imaginary belief system, then no
one knows what may be.

--
Cybe R. Wizard

"I have likely written over ten thousand tutorials, where at my last
company, I wrote over five thousand alone. On the Internet, I don't know
how many I have, but if you assume that I write one a day sometimes,
and at least one a week, I have many thousands "
"Arlen G. Holder"

On 21/05/2019 16.00, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 13:21:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I'm not replying with that language of yours. Not even reading the rest.
Wash your mouth with soap before attempting again, if you wish.

Hi Carlos,

I'm allergic to bull****, such that I break out in a rash when I hear it:
o Your bull****
o nospam's bull****

The logic of both your brains can be replaced by the results of a coin toss
o Your credibility is _that_ bad

Meanwhile, my credibility is stellar as I've never even once been shown
wrong on material facts(1) since I don't own an imaginary belief system.

ROTFL! X'-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Mon, 20 May 2019 11:44:52 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

Aww, and I was really enjoying the warpaint and loincloths

While the children on Usenet have proven, as they always do, that not only
do they NOT bring anything of value to the Usenet potluck, but that they
are not capable of adding any on-topic technical value to Usenet:
o Carlos E.R.
o Cybe R. Wizard
o Dan Purgert
o John Doe
o John McWilliams
o Jolly Roger
o nospam
o
HINT: They insist on proving me right that they can't ever add any value.

Moving the on-topic potluck forward, I add value by reporting that I tested
for the team the following five mail services, all of which seem to be
potentially viable as Gmail replacements, based on _preliminary_ tests over
the past couple of days only (where time will tell).
o GMX https://www.gmx.com/mail/
o Proton Mail https://protonmail.com/
o Tutanota https://tutanota.com/
o Yandex https://mail.yandex.com/
o Zoho https://www.zoho.com/mail/

GMX:
o Unknown storage limit
o Required Mr or Ms gender selection
o Required a first & last name
o Required a country, and, for the USA, a state
o Required a DOB
o Password must be at least 8 characters
o Required a password-recovery selection (SMS or email)
o Required a phone number for SMS verification (but didn't use it???)
o Required captcha (easy fire-hydrant single-pass stuff)
o Doesn't inform you the username is valid until late in the game

Proton:
o 500MB storage & 150 messages per day limit
o Allows choice of domain (protonmail.com, protonmail.ch)
o Recovery email is optional
o Doesn't require gender or name or DOB or location or phone, etc.
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Password must be at least 6 characters
o Choice of verification by captcha, email, sms, or donation
o Captcha is easy one-pass fire-hydrant stuff
o Asks to "show notifications" (which you can block or allow)

Tutanota:
o 1 GB limit
o Doesn't require gender or name or DOB or location or phone, etc.
o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
o Tells you the password cannot be reset (so choose wisely, I guess)
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Asks you to write down 64 hex character "recovery code"

Yandex:
o Unknown storage limit
o Requires only first name & surname
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security question
o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

Zoho
o 5GB storage limit
o Requires only first name & last name
o Username must be more than 6 characters
o Password literally requires 8 letters even if it's much longer than that
o Requires mobile phone number to send SMS verification code
o Accepts free second-line mobile phone software SMS numbers though
o Asks to enable 2FA but you can skip it "for now"
o Save the numeric "user id" which shows up after you create the account

On Mon, 20 May 2019 12:00:52 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:

You can use any POP3/IMAP4 account on an Android phone,
using a 3rd party email client.

Hi Poutnik,
I'm not sure what Carlos' problem is, but I think, based on what he wrote
elsewhere, that he owns what appears to be an imaginary belief system about
Android, which, in his mind (and in the mind of nospam, apparently),
_requires_ an "email" account (of some sort) in order for Android to work.

That their belief system is completely imaginary has long ago been proven
o Where I _think_ that's what Carlos' is alluding to here.

Interestingly, it's iOS that _requires_ a user account; not Android
o Anyone with a belief system based on _facts_ would instantly know that

However, I didn't write to waste time on anything Carlos bull****s
o I came to state that, over the past few days, I _tested_ five (5) of the
free email services which Clare Snyder had kindly suggested, where I'll
report elsewhere in this thread my results to date.
o GMX
o Proton Mail
o Tutanota
o Yandex
o Zoho

I've only been testing them for a couple of days, where they seem to be
perfectly reasonable replacements for Gmail, so far, based only on quick
tests by sending friends and family messages to respond to accordingly.

I'll write up a separate more detailed report so that others benefit from
every action, as Usenet is a potluck where we prove our value only by what
we bring to share.