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Duplicati
Hi All,
Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation? https://www.duplicati.com/ I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out. Many thanks, -T |
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Duplicati
T wrote:
https://www.duplicati.com/ I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out. https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...ng-with-oauth/ The Issue with OAuth // How it works in nine steps // My interpretation of their 800 word-y explanation is that they claim to have worked out a way of complying; I think you would have to try it to see if it is actually inconvenient. -- Mike Easter |
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On 6/25/19 4:46 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
T wrote: https://www.duplicati.com/ I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out. https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...ng-with-oauth/ The Issue with OAuth // How it works in nine steps // My interpretation of their 800 word-y explanation is that they claim to have worked out a way of complying; I think you would have to try it to see if it is actually inconvenient. Thank you! I sounds like One Drive is their main concern. If they figured it out for tht, eMail should be easy |
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T wrote:
Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation? https://www.duplicati.com/ I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out. https://www.google.com/search?q=oaut...en%2Flatest%2F https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...anced-options/ https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...age-providers/ No one uses OAUTH[1] anymore. Google got involved and ****ed up OAUTH to make it usable per Google's requirements, so OAUTH2 was born. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/micr...o/FVVsEKOdAwAJ Google is often restricting access, especially for searches, to only Chrome users that login using their web browser. They show a vague error and say to reload the page (which never works). Here is the non-Google archived version: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...v.nguard.lh%3E In the link to the Vimeo video, one of the original authors of OATH1 apologizes and divests himself of any responsibility for the crap that OAUTH2 became. OAUTH2 is not about securing or protecting the user. It is about Google (and some other big players) tracking their users. One my consistent complaint to Microsoft with their OneNote program (not the Win10 app or the online web app, but the program, like what was included in Office 365 or you download standalone since it's free) is that I kept getting asked to re-login. Instead of just using the login credentials that got saved in the local Credential Manager, the program wanted to use an OAUTH2 token -- but those expire requiring renegotiation. As Hammer states, OAUTH1 was a protocol with a specification. OAUTH2 became a framework, not a standardized protocol, that lets each OAUTH2 implementer to do it their way. |
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On 6/25/19 5:20 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation? https://www.duplicati.com/ I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out. https://www.google.com/search?q=oaut...en%2Flatest%2F https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...anced-options/ https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...age-providers/ No one uses OAUTH[1] anymore. Google got involved and ****ed up OAUTH to make it usable per Google's requirements, so OAUTH2 was born. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/micr...o/FVVsEKOdAwAJ Google is often restricting access, especially for searches, to only Chrome users that login using their web browser. They show a vague error and say to reload the page (which never works). Here is the non-Google archived version: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...v.nguard.lh%3E In the link to the Vimeo video, one of the original authors of OATH1 apologizes and divests himself of any responsibility for the crap that OAUTH2 became. OAUTH2 is not about securing or protecting the user. It is about Google (and some other big players) tracking their users. One my consistent complaint to Microsoft with their OneNote program (not the Win10 app or the online web app, but the program, like what was included in Office 365 or you download standalone since it's free) is that I kept getting asked to re-login. Instead of just using the login credentials that got saved in the local Credential Manager, the program wanted to use an OAUTH2 token -- but those expire requiring renegotiation. As Hammer states, OAUTH1 was a protocol with a specification. OAUTH2 became a framework, not a standardized protocol, that lets each OAUTH2 implementer to do it their way. Thank you! Have you used Duplicati? If so, what is your technical opinion of it? -T |
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On 6/25/19 5:20 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation? https://www.duplicati.com/ I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out. https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...anced-options/ Not seeing a way to use OAuth2 with eMailed reports, but ... |
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Duplicati?
Like two identical Ducati motorcycles? |
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On 6/25/19 6:41 PM, John Doe wrote:
Duplicati? Like two identical Ducati motorcycles? you funny bunny! |
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T wrote:
Any of you guys use Duplicati?Â* Your evaluation? Yes, not ready for primetime |
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Duplicati
On 6/25/19 11:59 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote: Any of you guys use Duplicati?Â* Your evaluation? Yes, not ready for primetime Rats! |
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Duplicati
T wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Not ready for primetime Rats! development on github does seem a bit more active recently than when I looked at it two years ago, conceptually I liked it when I first saw it, but it was slow and it couldn't make its mind up whether any given operation had finished successfully or failed ... as backup software it needs to inspire more confidence. |
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On 6/26/19 1:05 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote: Andy Burns wrote: Not ready for primetime Rats! development on github does seem a bit more active recently than when I looked at it two years ago, conceptually I liked it when I first saw it, but it was slow and it couldn't make its mind up whether any given operation had finished successfully or failed ... as backup software it needs to inspire more confidence. Do you have a favorite open source backup software? |
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T wrote:
Have you used Duplicati? If so, what is your technical opinion of it? "Free backup software to store encrypted backups online" No thanks. Have you ever tried to restore a host via Internet? Slow! Just trying to restore files is slow. Disasters often result due to compounding effects. How are you going to restore when you also have an Internet outage? Your network might be working just fine but not your ISP, or the nodes in your route, or the endpoint (online storage). Duplicati does support FTP, NAS, and other file transfers that can be on your own network. https://www.cloudwards.net/review/duplicati/ Duplicati is definitely something every tinkerer should look into. People that want ready-to-go solutions might want to give it a pass. Duplicati isn¢t a standard backup service. It doesn¢t come with backup space, but instead provides you with a web client that lets you manage your backup on a cloud service. That¢s a blessing or a curse, depending on your IT knowledge and willingness to tinker. Because it¢s free, it lacks a dedicated team of support technicians ready to help solve your problems. That said, there¢s an active forum where you can ask for help. Never heard of them until your post although Duplicati 2 (a complete rewrite) is 7 years old yet it is still listed as betaware. If you were thinking you could resort to getting support from Duplicati when you customers have problems, you won't except for peer support and that often is sporadic in response and irregular in quality. You claim to have customers and you're their tech support, so why are you looking at non-commercial products with no support? When you can't figure out a resolution, your customers don't care and still want a problem fixed and now. They can't be on hold waiting for restores, and that includes a slow restore via Internet. For one file, maybe. For a few files, maybe. For a host restore, NO. While Duplicati, a client, may be free, looks like you have to pay for a business service tier at the cloud file providers. After all, for example, if you're using a free Dropbox account then all you have is 2GB of online storage, and these days that is a pitiful quota for backups. OneDrive and Google Drive give you 15GB, but that's still too small for backing up a host. If you're operating your own FTP server then the cost is your effort and for the software, but lots of backup programs support FTP. https://www.cloudwards.net/award/bes...ckup-services/ (click on "All Plans" for Duplicati) Also, from that article, Duplicati does not support image backups, just file backups. That means you have to [re]install the OS before you can restore files to it. Image backups are directly restorable. |
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T wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation? https://www.duplicati.com/ I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out. https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...anced-options/ Not seeing a way to use OAuth2 with eMailed reports, but ... Whose e-mail service are you using that forces you to use OAUTH[2]? Google is probably the largest purveyor of OAUTH2, but you can disable that requirement in the server-side settings for your Gmail account. |
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wrote: "Free backup software to store encrypted backups online" with limits. No thanks. Have you ever tried to restore a host via Internet? sure have. Slow! Just trying to restore files is slow. nope. it depends on the amount of data and the available bandwidth. in general, there is no issue with speed, which is why there are *many* cloud backup providers. few people would use it, let alone pay for it, if it was slow. Disasters often result due to compounding effects. How are you going to restore when you also have an Internet outage? Your network might be working just fine but not your ISP, or the nodes in your route, or the endpoint (online storage). disasters can occur anywhere. how are you going to restore if your only backup drive fails, or is lost in a fire? cloud storage providers have multiple redundant data centers, so that any single disaster will not compromise anything, and likely not even be noticed by customers. |
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