A Windows XP help forum. PCbanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PCbanter forum » Windows 10 » Windows 10 Help Forum
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Duplicati



 
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old June 26th 19, 12:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,600
Default Duplicati

Hi All,

Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation?

https://www.duplicati.com/

I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will
handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out.

Many thanks,
-T
Ads
  #2  
Old June 26th 19, 12:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike Easter
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,064
Default Duplicati

T wrote:
https://www.duplicati.com/

I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will
handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out.


https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...ng-with-oauth/

The Issue with OAuth

// How it works in nine steps //


My interpretation of their 800 word-y explanation is that they claim to
have worked out a way of complying; I think you would have to try it to
see if it is actually inconvenient.

--
Mike Easter
  #3  
Old June 26th 19, 12:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,600
Default Duplicati

On 6/25/19 4:46 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
T wrote:
https://www.duplicati.com/

I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will
handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out.


https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...ng-with-oauth/

The Issue with OAuth

// How it works in nine steps //


My interpretation of their 800 word-y explanation is that they claim to
have worked out a way of complying; I think you would have to try it to
see if it is actually inconvenient.


Thank you!

I sounds like One Drive is their main concern. If
they figured it out for tht, eMail should be easy
  #4  
Old June 26th 19, 01:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 10,881
Default Duplicati

T wrote:

Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation?

https://www.duplicati.com/

I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will
handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out.


https://www.google.com/search?q=oaut...en%2Flatest%2F
https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...anced-options/
https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...age-providers/

No one uses OAUTH[1] anymore. Google got involved and ****ed up OAUTH
to make it usable per Google's requirements, so OAUTH2 was born.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/micr...o/FVVsEKOdAwAJ
Google is often restricting access, especially for searches, to only
Chrome users that login using their web browser. They show a vague
error and say to reload the page (which never works). Here is the
non-Google archived version:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...v.nguard.lh%3E

In the link to the Vimeo video, one of the original authors of OATH1
apologizes and divests himself of any responsibility for the crap that
OAUTH2 became. OAUTH2 is not about securing or protecting the user. It
is about Google (and some other big players) tracking their users.

One my consistent complaint to Microsoft with their OneNote program (not
the Win10 app or the online web app, but the program, like what was
included in Office 365 or you download standalone since it's free) is
that I kept getting asked to re-login. Instead of just using the login
credentials that got saved in the local Credential Manager, the program
wanted to use an OAUTH2 token -- but those expire requiring
renegotiation.

As Hammer states, OAUTH1 was a protocol with a specification. OAUTH2
became a framework, not a standardized protocol, that lets each OAUTH2
implementer to do it their way.



  #5  
Old June 26th 19, 01:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,600
Default Duplicati

On 6/25/19 5:20 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation?

https://www.duplicati.com/

I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will
handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out.


https://www.google.com/search?q=oaut...en%2Flatest%2F
https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...anced-options/
https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...age-providers/

No one uses OAUTH[1] anymore. Google got involved and ****ed up OAUTH
to make it usable per Google's requirements, so OAUTH2 was born.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/micr...o/FVVsEKOdAwAJ
Google is often restricting access, especially for searches, to only
Chrome users that login using their web browser. They show a vague
error and say to reload the page (which never works). Here is the
non-Google archived version:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...v.nguard.lh%3E

In the link to the Vimeo video, one of the original authors of OATH1
apologizes and divests himself of any responsibility for the crap that
OAUTH2 became. OAUTH2 is not about securing or protecting the user. It
is about Google (and some other big players) tracking their users.

One my consistent complaint to Microsoft with their OneNote program (not
the Win10 app or the online web app, but the program, like what was
included in Office 365 or you download standalone since it's free) is
that I kept getting asked to re-login. Instead of just using the login
credentials that got saved in the local Credential Manager, the program
wanted to use an OAUTH2 token -- but those expire requiring
renegotiation.

As Hammer states, OAUTH1 was a protocol with a specification. OAUTH2
became a framework, not a standardized protocol, that lets each OAUTH2
implementer to do it their way.




Thank you!

Have you used Duplicati? If so, what is your technical opinion
of it?

-T
  #6  
Old June 26th 19, 01:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,600
Default Duplicati

On 6/25/19 5:20 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation?

https://www.duplicati.com/

I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will
handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out.


https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...anced-options/
Not seeing a way to use OAuth2 with eMailed reports, but ...
  #7  
Old June 26th 19, 02:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,378
Default Duplicati

Duplicati?
Like two identical Ducati motorcycles?
  #8  
Old June 26th 19, 03:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,600
Default Duplicati

On 6/25/19 6:41 PM, John Doe wrote:
Duplicati?
Like two identical Ducati motorcycles?


you funny bunny!
  #9  
Old June 26th 19, 07:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,318
Default Duplicati

T wrote:

Any of you guys use Duplicati?Â* Your evaluation?


Yes, not ready for primetime
  #10  
Old June 26th 19, 08:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,600
Default Duplicati

On 6/25/19 11:59 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

Any of you guys use Duplicati?Â* Your evaluation?


Yes, not ready for primetime


Rats!

  #11  
Old June 26th 19, 09:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,318
Default Duplicati

T wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Not ready for primetime


Rats!


development on github does seem a bit more active recently than when I
looked at it two years ago, conceptually I liked it when I first saw it,
but it was slow and it couldn't make its mind up whether any given
operation had finished successfully or failed ... as backup software it
needs to inspire more confidence.
  #12  
Old June 26th 19, 10:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,600
Default Duplicati

On 6/26/19 1:05 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Not ready for primetime


Rats!


development on github does seem a bit more active recently than when I
looked at it two years ago, conceptually I liked it when I first saw it,
but it was slow and it couldn't make its mind up whether any given
operation had finished successfully or failed ... as backup software it
needs to inspire more confidence.


Do you have a favorite open source backup software?
  #13  
Old June 26th 19, 02:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 10,881
Default Duplicati

T wrote:

Have you used Duplicati? If so, what is your technical opinion
of it?


"Free backup software to store encrypted backups online"

No thanks. Have you ever tried to restore a host via Internet? Slow!
Just trying to restore files is slow. Disasters often result due to
compounding effects. How are you going to restore when you also have an
Internet outage? Your network might be working just fine but not your
ISP, or the nodes in your route, or the endpoint (online storage).
Duplicati does support FTP, NAS, and other file transfers that can be on
your own network.

https://www.cloudwards.net/review/duplicati/

Duplicati is definitely something every tinkerer should look into.
People that want ready-to-go solutions might want to give it a pass.

Duplicati isn¢t a standard backup service. It doesn¢t come with backup
space, but instead provides you with a web client that lets you manage
your backup on a cloud service. That¢s a blessing or a curse,
depending on your IT knowledge and willingness to tinker.

Because it¢s free, it lacks a dedicated team of support technicians
ready to help solve your problems. That said, there¢s an active forum
where you can ask for help.

Never heard of them until your post although Duplicati 2 (a complete
rewrite) is 7 years old yet it is still listed as betaware. If you were
thinking you could resort to getting support from Duplicati when you
customers have problems, you won't except for peer support and that
often is sporadic in response and irregular in quality. You claim to
have customers and you're their tech support, so why are you looking at
non-commercial products with no support? When you can't figure out a
resolution, your customers don't care and still want a problem fixed and
now. They can't be on hold waiting for restores, and that includes a
slow restore via Internet. For one file, maybe. For a few files,
maybe. For a host restore, NO.

While Duplicati, a client, may be free, looks like you have to pay for a
business service tier at the cloud file providers. After all, for
example, if you're using a free Dropbox account then all you have is 2GB
of online storage, and these days that is a pitiful quota for backups.
OneDrive and Google Drive give you 15GB, but that's still too small for
backing up a host. If you're operating your own FTP server then the
cost is your effort and for the software, but lots of backup programs
support FTP.

https://www.cloudwards.net/award/bes...ckup-services/
(click on "All Plans" for Duplicati)

Also, from that article, Duplicati does not support image backups, just
file backups. That means you have to [re]install the OS before you can
restore files to it. Image backups are directly restorable.
  #14  
Old June 26th 19, 02:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 10,881
Default Duplicati

T wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

T wrote:

Any of you guys use Duplicati? Your evaluation?

https://www.duplicati.com/

I am trying to figure out if its eMail utility will
handle OAuth2 (gmail, yahoo) before even trying it out.


https://duplicati.readthedocs.io/en/...anced-options/
Not seeing a way to use OAuth2 with eMailed reports, but ...


Whose e-mail service are you using that forces you to use OAUTH[2]?
Google is probably the largest purveyor of OAUTH2, but you can disable
that requirement in the server-side settings for your Gmail account.
  #15  
Old June 26th 19, 03:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,718
Default Duplicati

In article , VanguardLH
wrote:


"Free backup software to store encrypted backups online"


with limits.

No thanks. Have you ever tried to restore a host via Internet?


sure have.

Slow!
Just trying to restore files is slow.


nope. it depends on the amount of data and the available bandwidth.

in general, there is no issue with speed, which is why there are *many*
cloud backup providers. few people would use it, let alone pay for it,
if it was slow.

Disasters often result due to
compounding effects. How are you going to restore when you also have an
Internet outage? Your network might be working just fine but not your
ISP, or the nodes in your route, or the endpoint (online storage).


disasters can occur anywhere. how are you going to restore if your only
backup drive fails, or is lost in a fire?

cloud storage providers have multiple redundant data centers, so that
any single disaster will not compromise anything, and likely not even
be noticed by customers.
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off






All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 PCbanter.
The comments are property of their posters.