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Old June 28th 19, 11:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
dadep
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Default Issue with boot process on Win10 Pro VM

Hello,
I have the following problem that I can't solve:
I have win10 Pro virtual machines on a VMware vSphere infrastructure.
Most of them work perfectly. On a couple of these VMs, the boot process
takes even more than an hour to complete and make the vm available; It
remains in this state https://www.screencast.com/t/TTzh0vsS6WR5

when the vm is available to the user, all the applications work
and respond correctly. I've already checked malware, viruses, etc. and
the system is clean. I have disabled everything possible, but still not
understand the cause of the problem.
Someone can give me some advice, without having to make a new VM from
scratch ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Davide
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Old June 28th 19, 02:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Issue with boot process on Win10 Pro VM

dadep wrote:
Hello,
I have the following problem that I can't solve:
I have win10 Pro virtual machines on a VMware vSphere infrastructure.
Most of them work perfectly. On a couple of these VMs, the boot process
takes even more than an hour to complete and make the vm available; It
remains in this state https://www.screencast.com/t/TTzh0vsS6WR5

when the vm is available to the user, all the applications work
and respond correctly. I've already checked malware, viruses, etc. and
the system is clean. I have disabled everything possible, but still not
understand the cause of the problem.
Someone can give me some advice, without having to make a new VM from
scratch ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Davide


There is Windows Performance Toolkit.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ess-exercise-2

You could capture a boot trace with it, and see
where it spends time.

The trace file could be rather large though.

If it takes that long to start, the trace could
be 10GB or more.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ance-recorder/

You might want to practice first, on a well-working
installation, just to become familiar with operation.

I found the toolkit a bit bloated, and used xbootmgr.exe
to collect a trace. But who knows today, how it is improved.

The download for this, is a stub downloader which has
the ability to download gigabytes of stuff. The performance
toolkit part, should be a ~200 megabytes. You don't
need to tick all the boxes.

For me, the hardest part was figuring out which version
to grab, before doing any work. I needed a version
that still had xbootmgr (which was a Windows 8 version
at the time). This is a previous post with a few pictures.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E

If you select the wrong options in WPA, a "machine analysis"
might consist of six reboots. Even on well-working hardware
it might take 2 hours to run the whole thing. I think
that's why I might have been using xbootmgr at the time,
because it kicks off one run.

Sysinternals.com ProcMon also has an option for boot tracing,
but the viewing later probably wouldn't be all that helpful
in a case like this. But if Windows Performance Toolkit was
too annoying to use, that would be a second option.

With that kind of boot duration, my guess would be
it's doing a CHKDSK where every sector is being
read. Even if a mapped disk mount had gone missing,
the resolution time for that might be five minutes,
not an hour.

Paul
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Old June 28th 19, 03:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
dadep
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Default Issue with boot process on Win10 Pro VM

On 28/06/2019 15:17, Paul wrote:

There is Windows Performance Toolkit.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ess-exercise-2

[CUT]

With that kind of boot duration, my guess would be
it's doing a CHKDSK where every sector is being
read. Even if a mapped disk mount had gone missing,
the resolution time for that might be five minutes,
not an hour.

Paul


Thank you so much Paul, next week I will try.
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Old June 28th 19, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Issue with boot process on Win10 Pro VM

On 28/06/2019 11:10, dadep wrote:

Someone can give me some advice, without having to make a new VM from
scratch ?


just get rid of VM. Windows 10 is designed to run on a normal machine
that meets the minimum specification requirement of the hardware. Why
do you have to use Windows 10 on VM. If you want to use and try Windows
10 then use it normally like everybody. If you don't trust Windows 10
or if you are unsure of your ability to use Windows 10 then DON'T USE
IT. There are many alternatives. I assume your main machine is using
some crap OS.


ciao.


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Old June 28th 19, 05:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Issue with boot process on Win10 Pro VM

On 6/28/2019 6:10 PM, dadep wrote:
Hello,
I have the following problem that I can't solve:
I have win10 Pro virtual machines on a VMware vSphere infrastructure.
Most of them work perfectly. On a couple of these VMs, the boot process
takes even more than an hour to complete and make the vm available; It
remains in this state https://www.screencast.com/t/TTzh0vsS6WR5

when the vm is available to the user, all the applications work
and respond correctly....



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Old June 28th 19, 06:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Issue with boot process on Win10 Pro VM

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:21:36 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

just get rid of VM. Windows 10 is designed to run on a normal machine
that meets the minimum specification requirement of the hardware.


Tell Microsoft, that you know better than them:
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...rtual-machines
Get a Windows 10 development environment
Start building Universal Windows Platform apps quickly using a virtual
machine.
(...)
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Old June 28th 19, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Issue with boot process on Win10 Pro VM

On 28/06/2019 18:15, Michael Logies wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:21:36 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

just get rid of VM. Windows 10 is designed to run on a normal machine
that meets the minimum specification requirement of the hardware.

Tell Microsoft, that you know better than them:
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...rtual-machines
Get a Windows 10 development environment
Start building Universal Windows Platform apps quickly using a virtual
machine.
(...)

The op is running VM in a production environment. He says: " Most of
them work perfectly." So by definition one or two don't. So my
suggestion is to stop using VM in a production environment because I
know better than you do. Is this clear now?

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Old June 29th 19, 09:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Michael Logies
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Default Issue with boot process on Win10 Pro VM

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 21:14:49 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 28/06/2019 18:15, Michael Logies wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:21:36 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

just get rid of VM. Windows 10 is designed to run on a normal machine
that meets the minimum specification requirement of the hardware.

Tell Microsoft, that you know better than them:
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...rtual-machines
Get a Windows 10 development environment
Start building Universal Windows Platform apps quickly using a virtual
machine.
(...)

The op is running VM in a production environment. He says: " Most of
them work perfectly." So by definition one or two don't. So my
suggestion is to stop using VM in a production environment because I
know better than you do. Is this clear now?


Okay, so development is no production environment?

I`m using VMs in my production environment for 10 years. But perhaps
a dental clinic is no production environment, too?

Regards

M.
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Old June 29th 19, 05:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 29/06/2019 09:31, Michael Logies wrote:
Okay, so development is no production environment?

No it's not. I suggest do a research into these terms.

I`m using VMs in my production environment for 10 years. But perhaps
a dental clinic is no production environment, too?


If you have been using it for 10 years then you don't know what you are
doing. Windows is supposed to be installed and all all windows programs
(good ones that are not portable) installed as well.

VM is for people who wants to try Windows or patches or upgrades before
committing it to the production environment. Also, there are people
who wants to use Windows but they don't want to buy a license for it so
they resort to VM and after 30 days when it has expired, they wipe it
and start again. these are people who are hobbyists, jobless and bunch
of nutters. Do come into that category?. Dentists seems to have easy
revenue stream, is this so? In United Kingdom dentists keep giving
useless services such as instructions how to look after ones teeth and
all that nonsense which should be taught in schools and by parents but
dentists found a way to charge customers for these services. Then they
keep making countless bookings so that they can charge every time they
make an appointment. Frankly I'm fed up of these crooks and rogue
dentists and doctors.

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