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Why does my computer [...] (Paul's network)
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 17/07/2019 20.46, nospam wrote: In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: all home routers come with 4 ports, right? No, they come with two. Those four ports are in a switch that comes integrated with the router. They are not 4 router ports. usually the switch hardware allows putting those 4 ports on different VLANs, unfortunately the firmware almost never supports that, unless you replace it with openWRT etc I did that flashing once. It worked terrible. Home routers have scarce resources, such as little memory. The web page in the router I flashed crashes when trying to configure some parts of the router, or takes half an hour to refresh. Yes, that slow. So many features are not accessible for configuration unless on text mode. that doesn't mean all routers will result in the same experience. the routers i've used openwrt on do not have any refresh delays or crashes. Other routers that came my way, the openwrt pages say that they are very difficult to flash. some are and some aren't, and openwrt isn't the only option either. So I do not think I'll flash any router again... Impractical. your loss. Their loss. It will not work unless I specifically buy a router with openWRT in mind. And "soldering" is not an option I accept (and yes, I'm quite competent at soldering). Yes, I am aware that the features offered and the improved security is good to have. Such is life, we can not have everything. But you could shop for routers that have decent RAM and ROM, knowing these attributes could make repurposing of the device easier. At least a couple of models that shipped, did so with the feature set specifically defined to make OpenWRT ot ddWRT installation easier. The manufacturer thought they could sell more units, if they had decent RAM and ROM. I don't think they do that any more though. Paul |
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Why does my computer [...] (Paul's network)
On 17/07/2019 23.54, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote: On 17/07/2019 20.46, nospam wrote: In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: all home routers come with 4 ports, right? No, they come with two. Those four ports are in a switch that comes integrated with the router. They are not 4 router ports. usually the switch hardware allows putting those 4 ports on different VLANs, unfortunately the firmware almost never supports that, unless you replace it with openWRT etc I did that flashing once. It worked terrible. Home routers have scarce resources, such as little memory. The web page in the router I flashed crashes when trying to configure some parts of the router, or takes half an hour to refresh. Yes, that slow. So many features are not accessible for configuration unless on text mode. that doesn't mean all routers will result in the same experience. the routers i've used openwrt on do not have any refresh delays or crashes. Other routers that came my way, the openwrt pages say that they are very difficult to flash. some are and some aren't, and openwrt isn't the only option either. So I do not think I'll flash any router again... Impractical. your loss. Their loss. It will not work unless I specifically buy a router with openWRT in mind. And "soldering" is not an option I accept (and yes, I'm quite competent at soldering). Yes, I am aware that the features offered and the improved security is good to have. Such is life, we can not have everything. But you could shop for routers that have decent RAM and ROM, knowing these attributes could make repurposing of the device easier. Absolutely. But you see, when one thinks of flashing a router, it is because it doesn't do its job already. Probably a bad router from the start. One doesn't usually flash a good router. Or an ISP router. At least a couple of models that shipped, did so with the feature set specifically defined to make OpenWRT ot ddWRT installation easier. The manufacturer thought they could sell more units, if they had decent RAM and ROM. I don't think they do that any more though. Pity. Doesn't anybody sell new routers with openwrt firmware out of the shop? -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Why does my computer keep disappearing from the local network?
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 02:29:15 -0400, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:56:08 -0400, "...winston" wrote: "Eric Stevens" wrote in message ... I have two computers, 'Corsair' and 'Dell' on an ethernet network sharing two printers modem. Both computers are running Windows 10 Pro. Both printers have Internet connections. Corsai has always been a pain in the plectrum and one of its habits is to keep disappearing from the network. It may help to have some commonality across both devices. Windows 10 (both devices) Window 10 Pro 1903, both devices. - Ensure you have a common Windows logon username/password profile on each device(same name, same password) I believe I do but my the next question in my series if I ever get there is why Corsair has from time to time rejected any attempt of mine to access shared folders and tells me I am not authorised. Meantime Dell is happy to accept me. But lets not get into that for the timebeing. - Do not configure either device to auto logon Nope. - Ensure sharing is configured(since you can connect, it most likely it is) with folders(shared on each device) Already done. - Ensure each device is configured for the same work group There is a problem in that area. Smetimes they are the same. Sometimes they are not. At the moment they are not. Both now belonging to the same workgroup. - Different Computer name on each device(if you've configured both with the same name, change one) Corsair and Dell, as per this thread. = Remember the ComputerName for each device(you'll need it later) e.g. One Computername Corsair, the other Computername Dell. For networking purposes when a need to enter the computer name it would be entered as \\Corsair and \\Dell (remember this, it might come in handy) Done that previously. Services(set all below to automatic, IWin10 may reset one of more of the first two items to Auto(Triggered), if so reset it to Automatic. All these services started Comments below relate to Corsair. Both have now been brought into line. - Function Discovery Provider Host Running, manual Now Auto. - Function Discovery Resource Publication Running, Manual(triggered) Now shows Automatic in Properties but persists in Automatic(triggered) in Services menu. - SSDP Discovery Not running, manual Now running, Auto - UnPnP Device Host Not running, Manual Now running, Auto Windows Features and Programs - SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support Uncheck(if present) SMB 1.0/CIFS Automatic Removal Check SMB 1.0/CIFS Client and SMB 1.0/CIFS Server = The first(auto removal) is design intent, the latter two not enabled -all due to security risk. If willing to ignore the risk, since these features may need to be enabled disable and enable as noted SMB1 is now enabled and autoremoval disabled. https://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers...-on-windows-10 "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support has been disabled on Windows 10 Windows 10 Fall Creators Update version 1709 and higher." Windows Credentials On each device create a Windows Credential for the each ComputerName using the common username/password(suggesting at the beginning of this post, 1st item under 'Window 10(both devices)' e.g. If the common Windows Logon is Cameo(username) and password then create a credential for that \\ComputerName Enter the \\Computername in the Network field then enter the username Cameo and password in the dialog creation box. Repeat this process on both machines until you have 2 Windows Credentials created on each device(one for each \\ComputerName and both with same username/pw) I have done this in the past but Corsair has just had W10 1903 reinstalled and I haven't got that far as yet. Win10 can still be persnickety about connecting due to device other device not on, sleeping, hibernating, wifi power management turning off wifi. At the moment both Corsair and Dell are permanently awake. For the most part, the devices will be accessible on each device and appear in File Explorer/Network...if not shown in File Explorer under Network, just enter the \\Computername in the File Explorer address field to access and populate the shared folders in File Explorer's Navigation and Display pane. It hasn't worked in the past. I will try it shortly. It's needed now (see below) and it works from Dell looking towards Corsair. Workgroup name - you set the Workgroup name for each device. Once set it remains constant. Set it the same on each device. Thereafter Windows just reads what you've set. Settings/System/About/System Info/Change Settings/Change/enter the same workgroup name on each device - the default name is Workgroup(change it to something you like or leave as is but ensure it is the same on both devices. It doesn't change once set. Both set to same workgroup. Services - see previous response(set them all to automatic) and identical on both devices Done, as above. SMB 1.0/CIFS disabled on 1709 and higher - ignore it, configure as previously notified. If not present add the feature via Windows Features. - as of 1803 SMB1 was no longer auto disabled - add the feature and restart the computer. - If you wish to see the devices in File Explorer/Network its necessary because the Computer Browser service relies on SMB1. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/107605-enable-disable-smb1-file-sharing-protocol-windows.html#option3 \\ComputerName entry in File Explorer Address bar(didn't work in the past) - configure the devices as previously suggested, then you can 'try it' ...and to restart the device after making major changes like the above. Done Windows Credentials - when you get around to it, do so Done. While the data is the same the menu display on Dell is more extensive than on Corsair. We may have to come back to this later. Common username and pw(i.e. Windows logon) on each device - if you believe you do, verify - the common username/pw on each device can be a Local account or a Microsoft account(I prefer a Local and one configured as an Admin account) - If you wish to access other machines on the network it might be a good idea to ensure the common account is an Admin account. Only have two machines and am presently using MS account. Network - ensure you network is configured in Windows as Private Network(both both Lan[Ethernet] and Wifi) - Settings/Network and Internet/Change Connection Properties (or in the same location, click Ethernet and/or Wifi, click on the connection and set to Private) - Private Network: Ensure Network Discovery is enabled and auto setup checked Ensure File and Printer sharing is enabled - Guest of Public The only option that should be checked is 'Turn on File/Printer sharing' - All Networks Enable Public Folder sharing/Turn on sharing Enable 128-bit encryption Enable password protected sharing That's how they always have been set. The current situation is: 1. When I updated to 1903 both computers were switched to login authentication by pin rathere than password. After these various changes they have both gone back to password (which I prefer). After 1903 Dell developed a strong reluctance to acknowledge the keyboard for password. That was fixed by a short update a few days later. Now it's gone back to being difficult. All this is irrelevant to the present problem but I am telling you FYI. 2. Corsair can now see itself and continues to communicate with Dell. It can see both printers although it thinks my old Oki is a computer. It no longer shows the Google dongle on the TV set or adjacent cellphones. 3. Dell does not show Corsair in the network explorer window. If I ask for \\Corsair it does pop up complete with shared folders. 4. As previously, Corsair rejects "... you do not have authority ..., any attempt to access shared folders from Dell. I have long thought that this is something to do with usernames and credentials but I want to get the networking sorted out first. Ain't Windows wunnerful (and many thanks for your help so far). -- ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ msft mvp 2007-2019 Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Why does my computer [...] (Paul's network)
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: Doesn't anybody sell new routers with openwrt firmware out of the shop? some do, and for most routers on the supported list, it's very easy to install, without any need to solder anything. |
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On 18/07/2019 02.53, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Doesn't anybody sell new routers with openwrt firmware out of the shop? some do, Who? What brand sells with openwrt already installed? and for most routers on the supported list, it's very easy to install, without any need to solder anything. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Why does my computer [...] (Paul's network)
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: Doesn't anybody sell new routers with openwrt firmware out of the shop? some do, Who? What brand sells with openwrt already installed? https://www.gl-inet.com https://chaneve.aliexpress.com/store...outer/1495770_ 502387049.html https://www.kuwfi.shop/product/KuWFi...al-Enterprise- CPE-Router-External-antenna-Router-Extender-strong-signal-OpenWRT-Car-WI FI-Router-with-USB-Port-SIM-Card-Slot-with-4pcs-5dbi-antenna-2163.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-...AN-300Mbps-Wi- Fi-Wireless-Router-WiFi-Repeater-Roteador-Support-USB-3G/32272246018.htm l it's also not difficult to install. |
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Why does my computer keep disappearing from the local network?
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:44:29 -0400, Paul
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:59:25 -0400, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:02:00 -0400, nospam wrote: because he has more hardwired devices than available ports on the router, or he wants to run one cable to another room which has multiple devices, rather than run multiple cables to each device. That's the explanation. Two computers and two printers upstairs. Router/modem at the fibre termination downstairs. So how is our network diagram now, for accuracy. Are we missing anything in the diagram ? Nope. With a bit more information it's still: Corsair Dell Oki Epson | | Print Print | | | | [=======Switch Netgear GS105.===========] | [NetComm NF4V Router/Modem] | Internet I wonder who they wrote the user manual for, on the NF4V ? https://support.netcommwireless.com/...User-Guide.pdf The manual is written as if IPV4 doesn't even exist. That's an Australian manual and appears to be the same as mine. A Ctrl-f turns up "IPV4" in several places. |
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Why does my computer keep disappearing from the local network?
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:44:29 -0400, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:59:25 -0400, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:02:00 -0400, nospam wrote: because he has more hardwired devices than available ports on the router, or he wants to run one cable to another room which has multiple devices, rather than run multiple cables to each device. That's the explanation. Two computers and two printers upstairs. Router/modem at the fibre termination downstairs. So how is our network diagram now, for accuracy. Are we missing anything in the diagram ? Nope. With a bit more information it's still: Corsair Dell Oki Epson | | Print Print | | | | [=======Switch Netgear GS105.===========] | [NetComm NF4V Router/Modem] | Internet I wonder who they wrote the user manual for, on the NF4V ? https://support.netcommwireless.com/...User-Guide.pdf The manual is written as if IPV4 doesn't even exist. That's an Australian manual and appears to be the same as mine. A Ctrl-f turns up "IPV4" in several places. Why is there only a DHCPv6 and no setting for DHCP for IPV4 ? Sure, it does have a status for something V4 related, but that's not a lot of good if you can't compare that information to what you originally set for the range. Now, I've seen some pretty strange manuals, and the strange stuff happens when the document author "tries to use the fewest bytes possible to make a PDF". I've seen pictures of router web interfaces, where the resolution was dropped to the point the picture was completely illegible. Picture after picture after picture, just a blur. And you just know the dude who did that got an "attaboy" from the boss for making the manual as small as possible. Paul |
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Why does my computer keep disappearing from the local network?
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 00:42:57 -0400, Paul
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:44:29 -0400, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:59:25 -0400, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:02:00 -0400, nospam wrote: because he has more hardwired devices than available ports on the router, or he wants to run one cable to another room which has multiple devices, rather than run multiple cables to each device. That's the explanation. Two computers and two printers upstairs. Router/modem at the fibre termination downstairs. So how is our network diagram now, for accuracy. Are we missing anything in the diagram ? Nope. With a bit more information it's still: Corsair Dell Oki Epson | | Print Print | | | | [=======Switch Netgear GS105.===========] | [NetComm NF4V Router/Modem] | Internet I wonder who they wrote the user manual for, on the NF4V ? https://support.netcommwireless.com/...User-Guide.pdf The manual is written as if IPV4 doesn't even exist. That's an Australian manual and appears to be the same as mine. A Ctrl-f turns up "IPV4" in several places. Why is there only a DHCPv6 and no setting for DHCP for IPV4 ? The modem was supplied by my ISP configured to suit their end of the system. I will telephone their help desk in the morning (it's now evening here) and ask them what I can do about it. This is the manual, if it is the same as mine, which gave me the wrong address for logging into the router. Sure, it does have a status for something V4 related, but that's not a lot of good if you can't compare that information to what you originally set for the range. Now, I've seen some pretty strange manuals, and the strange stuff happens when the document author "tries to use the fewest bytes possible to make a PDF". I've seen pictures of router web interfaces, where the resolution was dropped to the point the picture was completely illegible. Picture after picture after picture, just a blur. And you just know the dude who did that got an "attaboy" from the boss for making the manual as small as possible. Paul |
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Why does my computer [...] (Paul's network)
On 7/17/19 11:59 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Wait, all home routers come with 4 ports, right? No, they come with two. most have four lan & one wan. some have less and some have more. Those four ports are in a switch that comes integrated with the router. They are not 4 router ports. that depends on the router and how it's configured. That said, there are tricks. no tricks needed. The WiFi radio(s) are actually separate router ports, so the router does have 3 (or 4) ports. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "The Bible is a wonderful source of inspiration for those who don't understand it." George Santayana (1863-1952) U.S. philosopher, writer, professor] |
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On 18/07/2019 04.11, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Doesn't anybody sell new routers with openwrt firmware out of the shop? some do, Who? What brand sells with openwrt already installed? https://www.gl-inet.com «GL.iNet is a leading developer of reliable networking devices. We offer a great selection of WiFi routers featured pre-installed OpenWrt and powered by cutting-edge technology to offer our customers an unparalleled level of network security and optimized network control. We partnered with like-minded companies around the globe to provide products of exceptional quality and support services. Our vision is to build a smarter lifestyle with our products.» Ok, that's one. Amazon sells it here, but not "shops". https://chaneve.aliexpress.com/store...outer/1495770_ 502387049.html Never heard that name... Unfortunately, I don't like Aliexpress. https://www.kuwfi.shop/product/KuWFi...al-Enterprise- CPE-Router-External-antenna-Router-Extender-strong-signal-OpenWRT-Car-WI FI-Router-with-USB-Port-SIM-Card-Slot-with-4pcs-5dbi-antenna-2163.html Main Features: QCA9531 chipset support Openwrt version (Build in) Amazon sells some. I'm not sure if "support Openwrt" means it already comes with it installed. I have been bitten before with the wording "supports". https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-...AN-300Mbps-Wi- Fi-Wireless-Router-WiFi-Repeater-Roteador-Support-USB-3G/32272246018.htm l Chinese... it's also not difficult to install. They are all unknown brands. But yes, there are some makes that include openWRT or facilitate it. That's something. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Why does my computer [...] (Paul's network)
On 18/07/2019 15.39, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 7/17/19 11:59 AM, nospam wrote: In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Wait, all home routers come with 4 ports, right? No, they come with two. most have four lan & one wan. some have less and some have more. Those four ports are in a switch that comes integrated with the router. They are not 4 router ports. that depends on the router and how it's configured. That said, there are tricks. no tricks needed. The WiFi radio(s) are actually separate router ports, so the router does have 3 (or 4) ports. Well, yes. But the firmware puts it transparently on the same network as the ethernet, we can not set it on a different IP range. Of course, that is what most people want. Maybe installing alternative firmware would allow it. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Why does my computer [...] (Paul's network)
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: Doesn't anybody sell new routers with openwrt firmware out of the shop? some do, Who? What brand sells with openwrt already installed? https://www.gl-inet.com «GL.iNet is a leading developer of reliable networking devices. We offer a great selection of WiFi routers featured pre-installed OpenWrt and powered by cutting-edge technology to offer our customers an unparalleled level of network security and optimized network control. We partnered with like-minded companies around the globe to provide products of exceptional quality and support services. Our vision is to build a smarter lifestyle with our products.» Ok, that's one. Amazon sells it here, but not "shops". gl-inet sells direct too. i have several gl-inet routers. they're very good and very cheap. openwrt is preinstalled, along with their own much easier to use ui on top. openwrt is still there underneath and can be used either via luci or the command line (or both) if desired. it also includes vpn support (both openvpn and wireguard), making it an excellent travel router, and some models have a micro-sd slot, which can be used as a portable file server, also useful while traveling. optionally, a 'clean' openwrt-only version without their customizations can be installed (although there's no advantage in doing so). They are all unknown brands. But yes, there are some makes that include openWRT or facilitate it. That's something. they're not unknown, they're just not mainstream brands. gl-inet is quite popular. in fact, they sold out of several models just before the chinese new year, and it took several weeks until they were available again. |
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Why does my computer keep disappearing from the local network?
Eric Stevens wrote:
The current situation is: 1. When I updated to 1903 both computers were switched to login authentication by pin rathere than password. After these various changes they have both gone back to password (which I prefer). After 1903 Dell developed a strong reluctance to acknowledge the keyboard for password. That was fixed by a short update a few days later. Now it's gone back to being difficult. All this is irrelevant to the present problem but I am telling you FYI. Windows 10 does provide the ability to disable 'Pin' logon authentication. Once done the default prompt will be for the 'Password' 2. Corsair can now see itself and continues to communicate with Dell. It can see both printers although it thinks my old Oki is a computer. It no longer shows the Google dongle on the TV set or adjacent cellphones. Sometimes removing the device, shutdown, restart will resolve a device being as a diffferent hardware(e.g. printer as pc, keyboard as usb drive, etc.) 3. Dell does not show Corsair in the network explorer window. If I ask for \\Corsair it does pop up complete with shared folders. That's better than having to flush and reset dns in a command prompt, which for the most part isn't a real solution in this case. It could also be related to timing relative to device handshaking to connect with each other. Networking on Windows was never perfect and with Win10 it can be even more a pita. 4. As previously, Corsair rejects "... you do not have authority ..., any attempt to access shared folders from Dell. I have long thought that this is something to do with usernames and credentials but I want to get the networking sorted out first. It could be authentication related....that message in most cases is generic for a multiple items. If the device is seeing the other device in File Explorer(Network listing[left hand folder Navigation pane] or in File Explorer main display pane(center window between Navigation and Preview Pane) then that message is almost always related to the file sharing configuration and/or permission or network private and/or all network setting) -- ....w¡ñ§±¤ñ msft mvp 2007-2019 |
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Why does my computer [...] (Paul's network)
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 08:39:47 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 7/17/19 11:59 AM, nospam wrote: In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Wait, all home routers come with 4 ports, right? No, they come with two. most have four lan & one wan. some have less and some have more. Those four ports are in a switch that comes integrated with the router. They are not 4 router ports. that depends on the router and how it's configured. That said, there are tricks. no tricks needed. The WiFi radio(s) are actually separate router ports, so the router does have 3 (or 4) ports. I haven't seen a design like that, and indeed, it doesn't make much sense. Instead, the radio(s) are typically bridged to the Ethernet switch, sometimes using VLAN tagging to support 'client isolation', and then that whole mess gets bridged to the router. The actual router is usually (I haven't seen any exceptions) a single port design, with WAN and LAN traffic separated (again) by VLAN tags. Maybe this is too far into the weeds to be useful, though. Physically, almost everything is packed into a single (Broadcom, for example) chip. |
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