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Old August 14th 07, 08:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
....

Look closely at all the postings in this group. You'll be
amazed that most problems are not caused by MS but by Non MS
programs, reg cleaners, and virus detect/scan protection?
programs.


That may well be true, but the major developers are wed at the hips
body and soul to the God of Microsoft because they must play ball
or risk losing their certification. But, it is certainly true that
reg cleaners in the hands of the novices will wreck an otherwise
good system and are more harm than good most of the time.

--
HP, aka Jerry
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Old August 14th 07, 08:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Wed at the hips----------???? Supposing you wrote the OS. How would you
control it and/or keep your customers happy. Many companies write programs
to run with XP (the OS) and when a problem occurs, MS is immediately
blamed. Be objective.
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
...

Look closely at all the postings in this group. You'll be
amazed that most problems are not caused by MS but by Non MS
programs, reg cleaners, and virus detect/scan protection?
programs.


That may well be true, but the major developers are wed at the hips
body and soul to the God of Microsoft because they must play ball
or risk losing their certification. But, it is certainly true that
reg cleaners in the hands of the novices will wreck an otherwise
good system and are more harm than good most of the time.

--
HP, aka Jerry



  #18  
Old August 14th 07, 08:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:



No. No announcements have been made. It is reasonable to expect that
it will include as the post-SP2 updates, possibly plus some others.
We'll see when it happens. Anything before that is rumor, and again I
caution you not to depend on rumors.



"SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H CY2008.
This date is preliminary."

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lif...vicepacks.mspx
  #19  
Old August 14th 07, 09:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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"ANONYMOUS" wrote in message
...
| "SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H CY2008.
| This date is preliminary."
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lif...vicepacks.mspx

BTW, this is the third change MS has made to the date for SP3. And, they
always say it's preliminary ;-)


  #20  
Old August 14th 07, 09:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:49:54 +0100, ANONYMOUS
wrote:



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:



No. No announcements have been made. It is reasonable to expect that
it will include as the post-SP2 updates, possibly plus some others.
We'll see when it happens. Anything before that is rumor, and again I
caution you not to depend on rumors.



"SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H CY2008.
This date is preliminary."



http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lif...vicepacks.mspx




As I said, no announcement has been made. "Currently planned" and
"preliminary" does not amount to an announcement. It is very common
that such dates turn out not to be met.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Old August 14th 07, 09:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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ms not responsible even when the app is an ms app?


On 2007-08-14, Unknown wrote:
Wed at the hips----------???? Supposing you wrote the OS. How would you
control it and/or keep your customers happy. Many companies write programs
to run with XP (the OS) and when a problem occurs, MS is immediately
blamed. Be objective.
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
...

Look closely at all the postings in this group. You'll be
amazed that most problems are not caused by MS but by Non MS
programs, reg cleaners, and virus detect/scan protection?
programs.


That may well be true, but the major developers are wed at the hips
body and soul to the God of Microsoft because they must play ball
or risk losing their certification. But, it is certainly true that
reg cleaners in the hands of the novices will wreck an otherwise
good system and are more harm than good most of the time.

--
HP, aka Jerry



  #22  
Old August 14th 07, 09:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Tom Willett wrote:

"ANONYMOUS" wrote in message
...
| "SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H CY2008.
| This date is preliminary."
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lif...vicepacks.mspx

BTW, this is the third change MS has made to the date for SP3. And, they
always say it's preliminary ;-)



Perhaps that is what "preliminary" means
  #23  
Old August 14th 07, 09:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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From Webster's online;

Main Entry: 1pre·lim·i·nary
Pronunciation: pri-'li-m&-"ner-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nar·ies
Etymology: French préliminaires, plural, from Medieval Latin praeliminaris,
adjective, preliminary, from Latin prae- pre- + limin-, limen threshold
: something that precedes or is introductory or preparatory: as a : a
preliminary scholastic examination b plural, British : FRONT MATTER c : a
preliminary heat or trial (as of a race) d : a minor match preceding the
main event (as of a boxing card)

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"ANONYMOUS" wrote in message
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Tom Willett wrote:

"ANONYMOUS" wrote in message
...
| "SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H CY2008.
| This date is preliminary."
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lif...vicepacks.mspx

BTW, this is the third change MS has made to the date for SP3. And, they
always say it's preliminary ;-)



Perhaps that is what "preliminary" means



  #24  
Old August 14th 07, 10:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default XP SP3 Details?

Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
....

Wed at the hips----------???? Supposing you wrote the OS. How
would you control it and/or keep your customers happy. Many
companies write programs to run with XP (the OS) and when a
problem occurs, MS is immediately blamed. Be objective.


Let's just say that I've been around MS more than long enough,
all the way back to the original PC that didn't even have DOS,
that came in with the XT, to understand them pretty well. I don't
mean to be vindictively critical, but surely you will admit they
have less than a stellar record of their own releases, they have
a rep for hiding key parts of their various APIs even from those
who buy their development packages all the way back to the SDK,
reverse engineering of several versions of the major components
of MS Office have been found to contain fairly large percentages
of commands and API calls that seem not to be documented, and MS
like all commercial companies reserves the rights to control its
copyrighted software and give "guidance" to developers.

I didn't say, BTW, that all problems are MS, I am not at all that
naive and not at all an anti-MS bigot to believe that. Rogue and
misbehaving applications, especially systems utilities of all
kinds, are rampant throughout the 25 years since the first PC,
they suffer from their own bugs, side-effects bugs, and the rush
to bring new versions to market no matter what. This super
competitiveness all the way around makes for not only strange
bedfellows but interlocking dependencies that can make full
diagnosis of major or even minor systems issue deceptively
difficult.

I hung up my programmer clothes circa 1995 or so, thus I am more
than a little out-of-date for direct knowledge of whence I speak,
but in monitoring this and many other NGs, I see no real signs of
improvement, if anything, I think the situation is deteriorating.
I'm sorry if you feel I am not being objective, let's just say
that I am a pragmatist and always suspicious of extravagent
claims from ANY developer on either side of problems. Thanks for
listening.

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Look closely at all the postings in this group. You'll be
amazed that most problems are not caused by MS but by Non MS
programs, reg cleaners, and virus detect/scan protection?
programs.


That may well be true, but the major developers are wed at
the hips body and soul to the God of Microsoft because they
must play ball or risk losing their certification. But, it is
certainly true that reg cleaners in the hands of the novices
will wreck an otherwise good system and are more harm than
good most of the time.

--
HP, aka Jerry







--
HP, aka Jerry
  #25  
Old August 14th 07, 10:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
HEMI-Powered
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Default XP SP3 Details?

Tom Willett added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...


"ANONYMOUS" wrote in message
...
| "SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H
| CY2008. This date is preliminary."
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lif...vicepacks.mspx

BTW, this is the third change MS has made to the date for SP3.
And, they always say it's preliminary ;-)

Nobody pre-announces without caveats, not software, not hardware,
not anything. Too much possibility of bad PR if the date is missed
for any reason good, bad, or indifferent. I cannot fault MS for
being vague about SP3, especially since they would much rather sell
a Vista upgrade or a new PC with Vista installed than encourage
it's installed base to stay on XP any longer than necessary. But,
they will do an SP because it saves THEM manpower and money they'd
rather put towards the next better mousetrap.

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #26  
Old August 14th 07, 10:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

"SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H
CY2008. This date is preliminary."


http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lif...vicepacks.mspx


As I said, no announcement has been made. "Currently planned"
and "preliminary" does not amount to an announcement. It is
very common that such dates turn out not to be met.


Certainly cannot fault you or MS for this statement, which I highly
agree with. If I may be allowed yet another car analogy, we do NOT
announce future products unless and until there is a sales and
marketing reason, e.g., at a major car show such as NAIAS where
almost all the major new products for the fall season are shown for
the first time.

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #27  
Old August 14th 07, 10:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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If indeed you were a programmer particularly a micro-programmer then you
should have enough experience to recognize the complexity of an operating
system plus all the micro-code that operates the hardware. If you were in
development you would know that regardless of the amount of testing some
bugs will show up after release. How can you possibly be so critical of a
few bugs? Compare today's PC's with those of just a few years ago. Be
objective not emotional.
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
...

Wed at the hips----------???? Supposing you wrote the OS. How
would you control it and/or keep your customers happy. Many
companies write programs to run with XP (the OS) and when a
problem occurs, MS is immediately blamed. Be objective.


Let's just say that I've been around MS more than long enough,
all the way back to the original PC that didn't even have DOS,
that came in with the XT, to understand them pretty well. I don't
mean to be vindictively critical, but surely you will admit they
have less than a stellar record of their own releases, they have
a rep for hiding key parts of their various APIs even from those
who buy their development packages all the way back to the SDK,
reverse engineering of several versions of the major components
of MS Office have been found to contain fairly large percentages
of commands and API calls that seem not to be documented, and MS
like all commercial companies reserves the rights to control its
copyrighted software and give "guidance" to developers.

I didn't say, BTW, that all problems are MS, I am not at all that
naive and not at all an anti-MS bigot to believe that. Rogue and
misbehaving applications, especially systems utilities of all
kinds, are rampant throughout the 25 years since the first PC,
they suffer from their own bugs, side-effects bugs, and the rush
to bring new versions to market no matter what. This super
competitiveness all the way around makes for not only strange
bedfellows but interlocking dependencies that can make full
diagnosis of major or even minor systems issue deceptively
difficult.

I hung up my programmer clothes circa 1995 or so, thus I am more
than a little out-of-date for direct knowledge of whence I speak,
but in monitoring this and many other NGs, I see no real signs of
improvement, if anything, I think the situation is deteriorating.
I'm sorry if you feel I am not being objective, let's just say
that I am a pragmatist and always suspicious of extravagent
claims from ANY developer on either side of problems. Thanks for
listening.

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Look closely at all the postings in this group. You'll be
amazed that most problems are not caused by MS but by Non MS
programs, reg cleaners, and virus detect/scan protection?
programs.

That may well be true, but the major developers are wed at
the hips body and soul to the God of Microsoft because they
must play ball or risk losing their certification. But, it is
certainly true that reg cleaners in the hands of the novices
will wreck an otherwise good system and are more harm than
good most of the time.

--
HP, aka Jerry







--
HP, aka Jerry



  #28  
Old August 14th 07, 10:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default XP SP3 Details?

Also, ask yourself "why is the situation deteriorating". The advancement of
PC's has been absolutely phenomenal. Look what they do today compared to two
years ago. Advancement???? Windows 95, 98, NT, XP, now Windows Vista.
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
...

Wed at the hips----------???? Supposing you wrote the OS. How
would you control it and/or keep your customers happy. Many
companies write programs to run with XP (the OS) and when a
problem occurs, MS is immediately blamed. Be objective.


Let's just say that I've been around MS more than long enough,
all the way back to the original PC that didn't even have DOS,
that came in with the XT, to understand them pretty well. I don't
mean to be vindictively critical, but surely you will admit they
have less than a stellar record of their own releases, they have
a rep for hiding key parts of their various APIs even from those
who buy their development packages all the way back to the SDK,
reverse engineering of several versions of the major components
of MS Office have been found to contain fairly large percentages
of commands and API calls that seem not to be documented, and MS
like all commercial companies reserves the rights to control its
copyrighted software and give "guidance" to developers.

I didn't say, BTW, that all problems are MS, I am not at all that
naive and not at all an anti-MS bigot to believe that. Rogue and
misbehaving applications, especially systems utilities of all
kinds, are rampant throughout the 25 years since the first PC,
they suffer from their own bugs, side-effects bugs, and the rush
to bring new versions to market no matter what. This super
competitiveness all the way around makes for not only strange
bedfellows but interlocking dependencies that can make full
diagnosis of major or even minor systems issue deceptively
difficult.

I hung up my programmer clothes circa 1995 or so, thus I am more
than a little out-of-date for direct knowledge of whence I speak,
but in monitoring this and many other NGs, I see no real signs of
improvement, if anything, I think the situation is deteriorating.
I'm sorry if you feel I am not being objective, let's just say
that I am a pragmatist and always suspicious of extravagent
claims from ANY developer on either side of problems. Thanks for
listening.

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Look closely at all the postings in this group. You'll be
amazed that most problems are not caused by MS but by Non MS
programs, reg cleaners, and virus detect/scan protection?
programs.

That may well be true, but the major developers are wed at
the hips body and soul to the God of Microsoft because they
must play ball or risk losing their certification. But, it is
certainly true that reg cleaners in the hands of the novices
will wreck an otherwise good system and are more harm than
good most of the time.

--
HP, aka Jerry







--
HP, aka Jerry



  #29  
Old August 14th 07, 11:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Ken Blake, MVP
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:00:05 -0500, "Tom Willett"
wrote:


"ANONYMOUS" wrote in message
...
| "SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H CY2008.
| This date is preliminary."
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lif...vicepacks.mspx

BTW, this is the third change MS has made to the date for SP3.



No, they have made *no* changes because they have announced no dates.
Words like "preliminary" and "currently plan" indicate that these are
rough estimates, not promises.

If they announce a firm release date and then miss it, or change it,
that's a failure to keep their promises. Changing an estimate is not.


And, they
always say it's preliminary ;-)



Just like almost everyone else does, they use words like that when the
date is far enough in the future that they are unsure of it. When they
are closer to a release date and feel assured of making it, *then*
they will announce a date.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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  #30  
Old August 15th 07, 01:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default XP SP3 Details?

Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
....

If indeed you were a programmer particularly a
micro-programmer then you should have enough experience to
recognize the complexity of an operating system plus all the
micro-code that operates the hardware. If you were in
development you would know that regardless of the amount of
testing some bugs will show up after release. How can you
possibly be so critical of a few bugs? Compare today's PC's
with those of just a few years ago. Be objective not
emotional.


Sorry, can't follow the quotes. Are you talking to me or someone
else? If me, then see my other post just a minute ago. While I
never did O/S or systems software, I was always an applications
programmer, I DO understand the complexity of even a 2-bit O/S such
as Apple's old Dos 3.1 on the ][, so yes, by the time we got to Win
3.1, 95/98, XP, and now Vista, there is no longer any hope of a
free ride. And, I hope that sounds reasonably objective and
realistic, and NOT either emotional or at all MS-bashing.

--
HP, aka Jerry
 




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