Win 7 Clone

So I finally got my new laptop.
It has a 1T HDD.
I want to switch it out to a 500G SSD.
I bought a Samsung EVO SSD 500G KIT.
The Kit has a USB to SATA cable and a Samsung CD with clone software.
BUT ... This CD will not boot.

You see, I want to clone the drive before starting Win 7 for the first
time.

So I loaded Macrium Reflect Free (MRF) in the DVD drawer and it booted
and found drivers for networking and was ready to clone.
Unfortunately, MRF will not clone from a larger partition to a smaller
partition. So I shut it all down.

MAYBE:
1) I am going to try loading the Samsung in my destop and see it it can
produce a bootable CD to use.
2) I can remove the internal 1T drive and hook both up to the desktop
through USB adapters and try the Samsung software.
3) I can take all back to where i bought it and pay $150 to have them
do the clone.
4) I can buy a single license Acronis. Why would I want a single
license of anything! That just seems like bad business. An observation
so no return comments are necessary.

So now what is suggested by my esteemed newsgroupers?
Questions:
A) Can I safely change the partition size of the 1T drive somehow?

B) Can I use dual layer DVDs to create backup installation disks?
(I was told by someone, NO. Because they will not boot!)
i.e. use MRF to create Image DVDs. It seems to want to allow me that
priviledge.

Suggestions please.

On 2/2/2014 10:43 AM, OldGuy wrote:
So I finally got my new laptop.
It has a 1T HDD.
I want to switch it out to a 500G SSD.
I bought a Samsung EVO SSD 500G KIT.
The Kit has a USB to SATA cable and a Samsung CD with clone software.
BUT ... This CD will not boot.

You see, I want to clone the drive before starting Win 7 for the first
time.

So I loaded Macrium Reflect Free (MRF) in the DVD drawer and it booted
and found drivers for networking and was ready to clone.
Unfortunately, MRF will not clone from a larger partition to a smaller
partition. So I shut it all down.

MAYBE:
1) I am going to try loading the Samsung in my destop and see it it can
produce a bootable CD to use.
2) I can remove the internal 1T drive and hook both up to the desktop
through USB adapters and try the Samsung software.
3) I can take all back to where i bought it and pay $150 to have them do
the clone.
4) I can buy a single license Acronis. Why would I want a single license
of anything! That just seems like bad business. An observation so no
return comments are necessary.

So now what is suggested by my esteemed newsgroupers?
Questions:
A) Can I safely change the partition size of the 1T drive somehow?

B) Can I use dual layer DVDs to create backup installation disks?
(I was told by someone, NO. Because they will not boot!)
i.e. use MRF to create Image DVDs. It seems to want to allow me that
priviledge.

Suggestions please.

Paragon has free software for personal use that will do the job.

Backup & Recovery Free Edition
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/

Partition Manager 2014 Free
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/pm-express/

You can also download Acronis and use it as a trial version and that
will do the job too.

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On 2/2/2014 10:43 AM, OldGuy wrote:

Paragon has free software for personal use that will do the job.

Backup & Recovery Free Edition
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/

Partition Manager 2014 Free
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/pm-express/

You can also download Acronis and use it as a trial version and that will do
the job too.

Acronis Free Trial will NOT clone. I tried it.
It will only image. So will an image work?
Anyway, as I said, I have not started the laptop so I need something
like Macrium that will boot off CD and allow going from a large
partition to a smaller partition.



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OldGuy writted thus:

So I finally got my new laptop.
It has a 1T HDD.
I want to switch it out to a 500G SSD.
I bought a Samsung EVO SSD 500G KIT.
The Kit has a USB to SATA cable and a Samsung CD with clone software.
BUT ... This CD will not boot.

You see, I want to clone the drive before starting Win 7 for the first
time.

So I loaded Macrium Reflect Free (MRF) in the DVD drawer and it booted
and found drivers for networking and was ready to clone. Unfortunately,
MRF will not clone from a larger partition to a smaller partition. So I
shut it all down.

MAYBE:
1) I am going to try loading the Samsung in my destop and see it it can
produce a bootable CD to use.
2) I can remove the internal 1T drive and hook both up to the desktop
through USB adapters and try the Samsung software.
3) I can take all back to where i bought it and pay $150 to have them do
the clone.
4) I can buy a single license Acronis. Why would I want a single
license of anything! That just seems like bad business. An observation
so no return comments are necessary.

So now what is suggested by my esteemed newsgroupers?
Questions:
A) Can I safely change the partition size of the 1T drive somehow?

B) Can I use dual layer DVDs to create backup installation disks?
(I was told by someone, NO. Because they will not boot!)
i.e. use MRF to create Image DVDs. It seems to want to allow me that
priviledge.

Suggestions please.

Looking from another angle completely, there are loads of places with
links to the official MS ISO files for Win7 etc, why not just download an
image, burn it and if you use the CD key from your current OS you can
just wipe and reinstall instead of playing with things you are obviously
not sure how to use...

links here to genuine ISO, for instance:
http://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technol.../14-windows-7-
direct-download-links

OldGuy wrote:

So I finally got my new laptop.
It has a 1T HDD.
I want to switch it out to a 500G SSD.
I bought a Samsung EVO SSD 500G KIT.
The Kit has a USB to SATA cable and a Samsung CD with clone software.
BUT ... This CD will not boot.

You see, I want to clone the drive before starting Win 7 for the
first time.

So I loaded Macrium Reflect Free (MRF) in the DVD drawer and it
booted and found drivers for networking and was ready to clone.
Unfortunately, MRF will not clone from a larger partition to a
smaller partition. So I shut it all down.

MAYBE:
1) I am going to try loading the Samsung in my destop and see it it
can produce a bootable CD to use. 2) I can remove the internal 1T
drive and hook both up to the desktop through USB adapters and try
the Samsung software. 3) I can take all back to where i bought it
and pay $150 to have them do the clone. 4) I can buy a single
license Acronis. Why would I want a single license of anything!
That just seems like bad business. An observation so no return
comments are necessary.

So now what is suggested by my esteemed newsgroupers?
Questions:
A) Can I safely change the partition size of the 1T drive somehow?

B) Can I use dual layer DVDs to create backup installation disks?
(I was told by someone, NO. Because they will not boot!)
i.e. use MRF to create Image DVDs. It seems to want to allow me that
priviledge.

Suggestions please.

I provided an answer in your prior post "New Laptop Backup". Check
there for my reply.

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Sir_George

Il Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:42:35 -0800, OldGuy ha scritto:

I need something like Macrium that will boot off CD and allow going from
a large partition to a smaller partition

you can try with a linux live distribution, using gparted



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On 2/2/2014 11:42 AM, OldGuy wrote:
On 2/2/2014 10:43 AM, OldGuy wrote:

Paragon has free software for personal use that will do the job.

Backup & Recovery Free Edition
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/

Partition Manager 2014 Free
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/pm-express/

You can also download Acronis and use it as a trial version and that
will do the job too.

Acronis Free Trial will NOT clone. I tried it.

Oh bummer!

It will only image. So will an image work?

Yes, but unlike a clone, it is a two step process. You save the image
somewhere else and then use that image and restore on another drive.
What you end up with is just the same as it was cloned.

Anyway, as I said, I have not started the laptop so I need something
like Macrium that will boot off CD and allow going from a large
partition to a smaller partition.

Yes I understand and a very good idea IMHO. Yes Paragon allows you to
create a bootable CD or flash drive and you can do it without booting
the OS on the internal drive. Although create and install Paragon on
your desktop and create the CD from there.

You could use Paragon Partition Manager to resize that 1TB drive to the
size of your SSD on the desktop. Then use Macrium Reflect Free to clone
it too if you would like. Although I think Paragon Partition Manager can
do the cloning as well and you don't have to resize anything, as it
automatically adjusts. I haven't used Paragon free versions in years, so
I am not sure how much you can do with them. As I generally use the
commercial versions instead.

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Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:43:55 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

So I finally got my new laptop.
It has a 1T HDD.
I want to switch it out to a 500G SSD.
I bought a Samsung EVO SSD 500G KIT.
The Kit has a USB to SATA cable and a Samsung CD with clone software.
BUT ... This CD will not boot.

You see, I want to clone the drive before starting Win 7 for the first
time.

So I loaded Macrium Reflect Free (MRF) in the DVD drawer and it booted
and found drivers for networking and was ready to clone.
Unfortunately, MRF will not clone from a larger partition to a smaller
partition. So I shut it all down.

MAYBE:
1) I am going to try loading the Samsung in my destop and see it it can
produce a bootable CD to use.
2) I can remove the internal 1T drive and hook both up to the desktop
through USB adapters and try the Samsung software.
3) I can take all back to where i bought it and pay $150 to have them
do the clone.
4) I can buy a single license Acronis. Why would I want a single
license of anything! That just seems like bad business. An observation
so no return comments are necessary.

So now what is suggested by my esteemed newsgroupers?
Questions:
A) Can I safely change the partition size of the 1T drive somehow?

B) Can I use dual layer DVDs to create backup installation disks?
(I was told by someone, NO. Because they will not boot!)
i.e. use MRF to create Image DVDs. It seems to want to allow me that
priviledge.

Suggestions please.


According to the Help for MRF at
http://www.macrium.com/help/v5/reflect_v5.htm :

"The cloning functionality within Macrium Reflect allows you to make
an exact copy of the source disk. The target disk does not need to be
the same as the source and can even be larger or smaller in size, as
long as it is big enough to accommodate the data on the source."

Based on my understanding of this, I don't know why you shouldn't be
able to do what you want.

If you boot from a DVD that can read the partitions on your 1TB drive
I would think you could somehow work it out.

Good luck,

DC

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:43:55 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

So I finally got my new laptop.
It has a 1T HDD.
I want to switch it out to a 500G SSD.
I bought a Samsung EVO SSD 500G KIT.
The Kit has a USB to SATA cable and a Samsung CD with clone software.
BUT ... This CD will not boot.

You see, I want to clone the drive before starting Win 7 for the first
time.

So I loaded Macrium Reflect Free (MRF) in the DVD drawer and it booted
and found drivers for networking and was ready to clone.
Unfortunately, MRF will not clone from a larger partition to a smaller
partition. So I shut it all down.

Previous versions of Macrium Reflect Free had no problems with that and I'm
surprised that they'd remove such a useful feature. Maybe someone who uses
MRF on a regular basis can comment on whether this capability has really
been removed. It might be as simple as checking a box, such as "Smart
Clone", (made up feature name), where only the used sectors are included in
the clone. Yes, I know, at that point it's no longer a clone, except that it
still is a clone for nearly all intents and purposes.


A) Can I safely change the partition size of the 1T drive somehow?

Since you said you don't want to boot it, just slave it to another computer
and resize the partition there. You could also leave it where it is and use
a live Linux CD, but that wouldn't be my preference.

--

Char Jackson

On 2/02/2014, BillW50 posted:
Acronis Free Trial will NOT clone. I tried it.

Oh bummer!

It will only image. So will an image work?

Yes, but unlike a clone, it is a two step process. You save the image
somewhere else and then use that image and restore on another drive.
What you end up with is just the same as it was cloned.

1. I want to emphasize strongly that an image will not work. It's not a
drive, it's a file containing a compressed version of the drive's
content.

2. With the right software, that second step could be onto the SSD -
the right software being one that is OK with a small destination. It
has to be the same program that made the image. I wonder if ToDo will
do it?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 2/2/2014 10:43 AM, OldGuy wrote:

Paragon has free software for personal use that will do the job.

Backup & Recovery Free Edition
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/

Partition Manager 2014 Free
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/pm-express/

You can also download Acronis and use it as a trial version and that will do
the job too.

I download the Paragon backup and recovery and cannot find where to
create a bootable recover disk. Even looking at the help file on-line
does not clearly say how to do it just that something that paragon has
can do that.
So if it can resize the 1T partition or clone to a smaller partition,
how do I do that with paragon?



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Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:43:55 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

So I finally got my new laptop.
It has a 1T HDD.
I want to switch it out to a 500G SSD.
I bought a Samsung EVO SSD 500G KIT.
The Kit has a USB to SATA cable and a Samsung CD with clone software.
BUT ... This CD will not boot.

You see, I want to clone the drive before starting Win 7 for the first
time.

So I loaded Macrium Reflect Free (MRF) in the DVD drawer and it booted
and found drivers for networking and was ready to clone.
Unfortunately, MRF will not clone from a larger partition to a smaller
partition. So I shut it all down.

Previous versions of Macrium Reflect Free had no problems with that and I'm
surprised that they'd remove such a useful feature. Maybe someone who uses
MRF on a regular basis can comment on whether this capability has really
been removed. It might be as simple as checking a box, such as "Smart
Clone", (made up feature name), where only the used sectors are included in
the clone. Yes, I know, at that point it's no longer a clone, except that it
still is a clone for nearly all intents and purposes.

snip

There are two rescue CDs. The main Macrium download, has the Linux based
rescue CD built-in. If you tick the box at download time, to include
WinPE/WAIK based version, that gives you a different (WinPE) rescue
CD. With a different interface, and more functions.

That's why I would recommend ticking the WAIK/WinPE tick box
when getting MRF via the stub downloader.

Originally, I think the first WAIK version, you had to get the
entire 1GB kit from Microsoft. The stub downloader, I think it's
just downloading a .wim file from somewhere, on the order of
100MB or a bit more. So the internal process isn't quite the
same, and the extra download isn't quite as bad either.

If you were on dialup, then I'd suggest just getting the
main Macrium package and no optional WAIK/WinPE. It would still
take a lot of hours, but would be the best "free" compromise for
someone with limited funds to spend on backup tools. Better
than nothing.

Paul

On 2/2/2014 11:43 AM, OldGuy wrote:
So I finally got my new laptop.
It has a 1T HDD.
I want to switch it out to a 500G SSD.
I bought a Samsung EVO SSD 500G KIT.
The Kit has a USB to SATA cable and a Samsung CD with clone software.
BUT ... This CD will not boot.

You see, I want to clone the drive before starting Win 7 for the first
time.

So I loaded Macrium Reflect Free (MRF) in the DVD drawer and it booted
and found drivers for networking and was ready to clone.
Unfortunately, MRF will not clone from a larger partition to a smaller
partition. So I shut it all down.

MAYBE:
1) I am going to try loading the Samsung in my destop and see it it can
produce a bootable CD to use.
2) I can remove the internal 1T drive and hook both up to the desktop
through USB adapters and try the Samsung software.
3) I can take all back to where i bought it and pay $150 to have them do
the clone.
4) I can buy a single license Acronis. Why would I want a single
license of anything! That just seems like bad business. An observation
so no return comments are necessary.

So now what is suggested by my esteemed newsgroupers?
Questions:
A) Can I safely change the partition size of the 1T drive somehow?

B) Can I use dual layer DVDs to create backup installation disks?
(I was told by someone, NO. Because they will not boot!)
i.e. use MRF to create Image DVDs. It seems to want to allow me that
priviledge.

Suggestions please.


Download the suggested cloning software from Samsung ... it works perfectly

Read Samsung's instructions that came with the drive.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:43:55 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

According to the Help for MRF at
http://www.macrium.com/help/v5/reflect_v5.htm :

"The cloning functionality within Macrium Reflect allows you to make
an exact copy of the source disk. The target disk does not need to be
the same as the source and can even be larger or smaller in size, as
long as it is big enough to accommodate the data on the source."

Based on my understanding of this, I don't know why you shouldn't be
able to do what you want.

If you boot from a DVD that can read the partitions on your 1TB drive
I would think you could somehow work it out.

Good luck,

DC

I am using the MRF bootable disk that MRF creates.
It says that the Free verion of this does not do a clone but only an
image create and restore. It is version 5.2.

So if it does an image to a USB drive, which it does and i did that,
now can I installl the SSD and do a image recovery using the MRF
bootable CD to the SSD and get a bootable SSD?

MRF works fine with imaging to a USB HDD.

I still am not clear on what MRF created image is.



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On 2/2/2014 11:43 AM, OldGuy wrote:

Download the suggested cloning software from Samsung ... it works perfectly

Read Samsung's instructions that came with the drive.

The SSD came with a DVD with software but it is not bootable.
I explored it installed on my desktop PC and found nothing helpful.
Is there some other Samsung sw that can make a bootable CD/DVD?
Remember that I have not yet started Win 7 on this noew PC as I am
trying to make a pristine HDD to SDD the remove the HD and use the SSD
in the laptop.



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