Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

During the first-time setup process¡Xeither after you install Windows 10
yourself or while setting up a new PC with Windows 10¡Xyou¡¦re now prompted
to ¡§Sign in with Microsoft¡¨ and there are no alternate options.

On Windows 10 Professional, there¡¦s reportedly a ¡§Domain Join Instead¡¨
option that will create a local user account. But that¡¦s only on Windows 10
Professional. Windows 10 Home doesn¡¦t have this option at all.

On 10/2/19 12:46 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

During the first-time setup process¡Xeither after you install Windows 10
yourself or while setting up a new PC with Windows 10¡Xyou¡¦re now prompted
to ¡§Sign in with Microsoft¡¨ and there are no alternate options.

My experience, this is incorrect.

I'm currently setting up a W10 Pro install, from the ground up, using
local accounts, and not Microsoft accounts. This is on a Lenovo
ThinkPad that originally had Window 7 Professional.

I just did the same with my Mac Mini using BootCamp, not virtual machine
software.

In both cases, though, you will need an MS Account if you wish to use
the MS Store.

On Windows 10 Professional, there¡¦s reportedly a ¡§Domain Join Instead¡¨
option that will create a local user account. But that¡¦s only on Windows 10
Professional. Windows 10 Home doesn¡¦t have this option at all.

I've not done a W10 Home install, so no idea. But in Pro, the option
for local accounts is in tiny text, and not worded to make it easily
understood that you'll be creating a local account.


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Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

During the first-time setup process¡Xeither after you install Windows 10
yourself or while setting up a new PC with Windows 10¡Xyou¡¦re now
prompted
to ¡§Sign in with Microsoft¡¨ and there are no alternate options.

On Windows 10 Professional, there¡¦s reportedly a ¡§Domain Join Instead¡¨
option that will create a local user account. But that¡¦s only on Windows
10
Professional. Windows 10 Home doesn¡¦t have this option at all.

Although his article is dated 1st October 2019 he doesn't say when the
install took place.

Approx 10 days ago I wiped Windows 10 Pro from my VM (because of stuck
updates), downloaded the creation tool & installed the latest 1903.

I got the option to install as a local account, so that is what I did.
Can't remember the exact wording, something like 'Create Local Account'. The
option was at the bottom left of the 'Create Account' page.

I'm not on that machine at the moment but I'll see if I can grab some
screenshots later.

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On 2019-10-02, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

Another bonehead move by Microsoft.

Fortunately this one is, for the moment, easy to get around. Don't connect
to the internet during initial setup - without an internet connection the
default is to create a local account. Windows 10 works just fine as a
standalone operating system without a "cloud" login despite Microsoft's
protest to the contrary ("limited functionality").

Unfortunately the average non-technical user is implored to connect
to the internet during initial setup and will blindly do whatever the
computer tells them to do. Number one because they don't know any
better, and number two because Technology Is God.

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

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On 10/2/19 6:35 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2019-10-02, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

Another bonehead move by Microsoft.

Fortunately this one is, for the moment, easy to get around. Don't connect
to the internet during initial setup - without an internet connection the
default is to create a local account. Windows 10 works just fine as a
standalone operating system without a "cloud" login despite Microsoft's
protest to the contrary ("limited functionality").

Unfortunately the average non-technical user is implored to connect
to the internet during initial setup and will blindly do whatever the
computer tells them to do. Number one because they don't know any
better, and number two because Technology Is God.

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

Unfortunately, for the Lenovo ThinkPad, the W10 drivers are in the MS
Store, so an MS Account will likely be needed to get the drivers.



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and it's gone!"

On 10/2/19 2:46 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

During the first-time setup process�Xeither after you install Windows 10
yourself or while setting up a new PC with Windows 10�Xyou��re now prompted
to ��Sign in with Microsoft�� and there are no alternate options.

On Windows 10 Professional, there��s reportedly a ��Domain Join Instead��
option that will create a local user account. But that��s only on Windows 10
Professional. Windows 10 Home doesn��t have this option at all.

I just installed 1908 home about 3 months ago and made a local account
no problem.
I hate that they make the home folder the first part of your email and
don't let you pick the folder name. I know to the masses it's a non
issue as most users don't even know, but I have scripts etc that expect
the folder to be \users\alan not \users\aj49284 or whatever my email is.
Also as said, the article says you just disconnect from the internet and
you're fine.

Al.

On 10/2/19 7:35 AM, Roger Blake wrote:

[snip]

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

And likely associated with a credit card or bank account, so they can
take any money they decide to.

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On 10/2/19 8:52 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/2/19 7:35 AM, Roger Blake wrote:

[snip]

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

And likely associated with a credit card or bank account, so they can
take any money they decide to.

I suspect they will be free. It would be hugely destructive for Lenovo
to now charge for the drivers to run a computer.


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Firefox 69.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
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and it's gone!"

On 10/2/19 8:28 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

[snip]

Unfortunately, for the Lenovo ThinkPad, the W10 drivers are in the MS
Store, so an MS Account will likely be needed to get the drivers.

I didn't have a problem downloading drivers for mine (T480s) from
Lenovo, and I've never has a MS account.

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"Comparing religion to science is like comparing bull**** to
horsepower."

On 10/2/19 8:37 AM, Big Al wrote:

[snip]

I just installed 1908 home about 3 months ago and made a local account
no problem.
I hate that they make the home folder the first part of your email and
don't let you pick the folder name.Â*Â* I know to the masses it's a non
issue as most users don't even know, but I have scripts etc that expect
the folder to be \users\alanÂ* not \users\aj49284 or whatever my email is.

There should be no need for Win10 to know your email address on
installation.

Also as said, the article says you just disconnect from the internet and
you're fine.

Al.


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Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 8:52 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/2/19 7:35 AM, Roger Blake wrote:

[snip]

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

And likely associated with a credit card or bank account, so they can
take any money they decide to.

I suspect they will be free. It would be hugely destructive for Lenovo
to now charge for the drivers to run a computer.

Most of the basic (generic looking) drivers are installed
by the OS installer, or installed later via Windows Update
style installation. What you should be seeing in Windows 10
Device Manager today, after an install and a couple of reboots,
is a "clean" Device Manager. Only my Hauppauge Tuner Card
remains elusive in this venture (Microsoft is never going
to get their hands on that one :-) Linux refuses to stage
a firmware file for that card).

Anything in the Store like that, would be Optional in a sense
and not a factor in basic computer functionality.

Take sound as an example. The HDAudio chip in your computer,
supports stereo sound soon after installation. But if you
wanted a software graphic equalizer, the sound chip maker
may have that in a custom control panel. That would be
an example of something you might download later, from
places unknown. The usage of the Store for that, might
represent an improvement (or, a distraction). When we're
looking under rocks, what we don't need is yet another
rock to look under. That's not helping.

I do keep a Realtek driver package here, to take
the place of the generic HDAudio one. If my sound chip
had "Dolby This Or That", sometimes support for Dolby
licensed features, comes via a separate driver package.

Paul

On 10/2/19 9:11 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/2/19 8:28 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

[snip]

Unfortunately, for the Lenovo ThinkPad, the W10 drivers are in the MS
Store, so an MS Account will likely be needed to get the drivers.

I didn't have a problem downloading drivers for mine (T480s) from
Lenovo, and I've never has a MS account.

This is a Lenovo T420, and from what I've learned so far, should have
come with discs to reinstall w7 Pro. But the computer was given to the
owner without the discs. The hard drive was failing, so I opted to
install W10, since W7 support is disappearing.

I'd originally planned on doing W7 as the owner is familiar with it, so
I asked in Lenovo's forums about obtaining a set of disks. The disks
were not available from Lenovo.

A response in the forum is where i got the info about the drivers for
W10. I have to get together with the computer owner to create an MS
account so she can provide the answers for the security questions, then
we'll see about the drivers.


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MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 10/2/19 9:52 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 8:52 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/2/19 7:35 AM, Roger Blake wrote:

[snip]

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

And likely associated with a credit card or bank account, so they can
take any money they decide to.

I suspect they will be free. It would be hugely destructive for Lenovo
to now charge for the drivers to run a computer.

Most of the basic (generic looking) drivers are installed
by the OS installer, or installed later via Windows Update
style installation. What you should be seeing in Windows 10
Device Manager today, after an install and a couple of reboots,
is a "clean" Device Manager. Only my Hauppauge Tuner Card
remains elusive in this venture (Microsoft is never going
to get their hands on that one :-) Linux refuses to stage
a firmware file for that card).

Anything in the Store like that, would be Optional in a sense
and not a factor in basic computer functionality.

Probably, but what I've found with some laptops, is the general OS
installer does not have the drivers for the function key assignments. I
always find them on the manufacturer's site.

I'm suspecting these drivers, and any Lenovo specific drivers, is what I
will find in the MS Store.

snip


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MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Big Al wrote:
On 10/2/19 2:46 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/


During the first-time setup process�Xeither after you install Windows 10
yourself or while setting up a new PC with Windows 10�Xyou��re now
prompted
to ��Sign in with Microsoft�� and there are no alternate options.

On Windows 10 Professional, there��s reportedly a ��Domain Join Instead��
option that will create a local user account. But that��s only on
Windows 10
Professional. Windows 10 Home doesn��t have this option at all.

I just installed 1908 home about 3 months ago and made a local account
no problem.
I hate that they make the home folder the first part of your email and
don't let you pick the folder name. I know to the masses it's a non
issue as most users don't even know, but I have scripts etc that expect
the folder to be \users\alan not \users\aj49284 or whatever my email is.
Also as said, the article says you just disconnect from the internet and
you're fine.

Al.

The "\users\aj49284" problem, is why I suggest people start
with a Local account, and only later use an MSA (when it's too
late for the OS to mess up the folder name). I wonder if
Microsoft will ever get a clue ? How many years now have
they been working on this ?

Paul

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 12:35:24 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Fortunately this one is, for the moment, easy to get around. Don't connect
to the internet during initial setup - without an internet connection the
default is to create a local account. Windows 10 works just fine as a
standalone operating system without a "cloud" login despite Microsoft's
protest to the contrary ("limited functionality").

As a separate, yet related datapoint, when I last installed a Windows 10
"S" laptop about a month ago, the following happened, as I recall:
a. Even though I explicitly disabled the wi-fi (there was no RJ45 port)
b. And where I switched the Windows 10 S to Windows 10 Home ASAP
c. Microsoft still insisted I connect to the Internet FIRST
d. BEFORE I could switch from S to Home (as I recall)
e. Where I was FORCED to create an account (obviously against my will)
f. Which, NOTE THIS, you can delete BUT it takes a MONTH to do so

Why does it take a month?
o I do not know.

Actually, I forget what account I created, so I can't even check.
o But bear in mind, as I recall, Microsoft insists on a MONTH DELAY.

Takeaway, if my memory serves me well:
a. For Win10 S to Win10 Home you MUST still create a MS account
b. Microsoft says they won't delete that account for a month
c. Who knows what they keep in their logs forever...
(or if they even do it ... maybe we should try reactivation later?)

Rationale for saying this on a Windows 10 Home thread is...
A. Let's keep an eye on the shenanigans that Microsoft is pulling on us.
B. And report back to the group whatever we find out by way of tricks.

Together, we know more than any one of us does individually.