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Old June 13th 19, 02:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?)

In article , Dan Purgert
wrote:

What's the method of putting the Windows _computer_ on the Internet
safely?


Plug it into your router, add port forwards to whatever programs are
hosting the service(s) you want to provide. Of course, this does assume
that your ISP provides you with a public IP address at your router (I
guess they do, given your USB Key comment).


that is not a safe way to do it. in fact, it's very unsafe.
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Old July 12th 19, 07:43 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Arlen G. Holder" Wrote in message:
Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on theInternet (if so, for what gain over non-Internet methods?)


Do people of reasonable technical ability
use any kind of internet communication ?

Most people store there implicitly their social network history.

Most people store there at least their emails, especially if they access them from multiple devices via IMAP4 protocol.

Also, there is a reason to have an extra copy of long term storage data with sentimental or other historical value.

Local storage has its cons about HW portability and questionable long term reliability.

Privacy concerns can be addressed by local encryption.

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Old July 12th 19, 07:43 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Arlen G. Holder" Wrote in message:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:01:13 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:


In the OP, we mentioned that "communication" is different than "storage".....
....that "social networking" is different. Networking, by nature, is a public communication mechanism.
... we mentioned that "email communication" is different.


Technically, stored communication = storage.
Once there, it does not matter much if still there.

If photos or documents are in mailbox or in dedicated cloud storage does matter much, it is just technology difference.

If content is abused, it does not matter much how it was protected by law.


You bring up a good point that having MULTIPLE copies is useful forimportant data, where I posit that multiple drives can hold that data,where you can put a flash stick with encrypted data containers from allyour devices, in a safe deposit box if it's that critical the data.


Flash sticks are typical example of problematic long term storage due time deterioration of NAND flash memory cells. Plus there must be evaluated combination of technology lifetime and technology availability.

Local storage has its cons about HW portability and questionable long term reliability.


You bring up a good point Poutnik, that local storage can get lost, whilecloud storage is always there.


It is funny as neither of the points I have mentioned is about the storage getting lost. It is the 3rd point I did not mention.

Privacy concerns can be addressed by local encryption.


You bring up a good point that local encryption is so readily available toconsumers that it's not an issue.


.... therefore internet storage is not an issue, if the data holder considers it as a good choice. :-)


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Old July 12th 19, 07:43 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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pjp Wrote in message:
Burned DVD's and external hard disks you keep yourself seems much more solely under my control.


How often do you reburn your DVDs ?

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Old July 12th 19, 07:43 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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The Real Bev Wrote in message:

No choice about the above, but I damn well won't give the *******s anything I don't have to.


In real life, it is trade off between data privacy and practical functionality.

The similar is true for trade off between functionality and enterprise IT security policy.

In both scenarios, one cannot have full amount of one side with acceptable amount of the other side.

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Old July 12th 19, 07:43 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Arlen G. Holder" Wrote in message:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 05:18:06 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote: Technically, stored communication = storage. Once there, it does not matter much if still there.


Hi Poutnik,I'm not sure from your response whether you understood that _legally_, inthe USA, there _is_ a difference between communication & storage.


I have said "technically".

I have intentionally avoided the legal aspect, as it does not apply to me.

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Old July 12th 19, 07:43 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Arlen G. Holder" Wrote in message:
......But that would mean that you _never_ communicate with people with Gmail orApple email addresses, right?Do you really _never_ communicate with people who own email addresses ofcompanies based in the USA?(Is that even feasible?)


Of course I do.

But it is not much relevant to privacy data safety, by what law it is protected, unless it is a nature law.

Additionally, the *practical* border between "storage" and "communication
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Old July 12th 19, 07:43 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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And close to 0% that your DVDs will be stolen by a thief


Time is a very good thieve of CD/DVD data.

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Old July 21st 19, 09:12 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In response to:
o Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/pcJlecNK-LQ



On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

Off site data protection is just good sense. No marketing
necessary.


Hi 123456789,

Be advised - I'm going to be blunt with you below
o *Since the point is that there's NO ADVANTAGE to your solution.*

What amazes me is how you people seem to turn your brains completely off
o Which is why you and people like you love to use the cloud (I posit).

See this thread, which posits that the dumber someone appears to be,
the more they tend to love to store their private data on the cloud:
o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the
Internet (if so, for what gain?)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/mBIZ-8jGdmk/aLDJkSJQAAAJ

What amazes me is the utter lack of sensible logic in what you suggest.
o Does it NOT occur to you that the cloud storage WILL be hacked?

How can you people who turn your brains off in order to use the cloud
ALWAYS fail to realize that storing an encrypted drive in a safe deposit
box (or any other safe location) is utterly trivial?

(IMHO) There are ZERO advantages to storing your personal data on the
cloud, that any intelligent adult can't figure out simply by storing their
personal data intelligently, OFF the cloud.

If _you_ can figure out an advantage - then let me know
o As nothing you suggest is any better than what I already wrote

And, in fact, everything you propose is far worse.

Even if your in-house data survives the fire you may lose
physical access to it for a time (perhaps months?). My cloud
data is accessible (almost) anyplace, anytime, and on any
device.


See above.

Name _any_ advantage the cloud has over the suggested offline solution.
o Name just one.

Since you have no link I will ASSume that % is a your GUESS.


Yup.
o Chance of your storage being hacked is just about 100% (IMHO).
o Chance of your safe deposit box being hacked is far lower (IMHO).
o Chance of your copy at home being hacked is even lower still (IMHO).

If you need "instant access" to your data when there ISN'T a fire or
earthquake, the logic is so simple that even you can figure it out, which
is to maintain an offline encrypted copy at home - and - then - at your
convenience, drop off an encrypted copy at the local bank for safekeeping.

This is where encrypted file containers excel, by the way:
o Best freeware for portable encrypted file containers
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/cas1QJ_j2uI/4Uut0HGrBgAJ

My GUESS is that my cloud account being only one out of the
hundreds of millions of accounts that my provider
services my chances of (un-targeted) hacking is more near to
zero.


Do you claim that ANY of the main half dozen personal cloud storage
companies have NOT been hit by hackers (today & forever in the future)?

And what is your claim for those same sites, for zero-day vulnerabilities
that you're completely unaware of today, and forever in the future?


What's the chance your house will burn down? Nearly 0%


Agreed. But I still carry homeowners insurance...


I don't.
o I don't have earthquake insurance (too expensive)
o I only have fire insurance (not anything else whatsoever).

Same with my cars:
o I don't insure the car for damage
o I only insure for liability

You insure only that which you can't afford to replace.

You're using the "cloud storage" for "insurance".
o I get that.

My argument is that you're using faulty logic.
o All I ask of anyone - are facts - and then sentient logic.

*ADVANTAGES of PERSONAL CLOUD STORAGE*
o Convenient (you can turn your brain off completely in fact)
o Fast (it's always there - for you - and for the hackers)
o Available (it's available when you're on the road).
o Insurance (it's still there even after your house burns down).

*DISADVANTAGES of PERSONAL CLOUD STORAGE*
o It will be hacked - (my assessment & that of others)

*ADVANTAGE of LOCAL ENCRYPTED PERSONAL CONTAINER STORAGE*
o Convenient (but you need to be intelligent about it)
o Fast (it's always there - at home - and on your mobile device)
o Available (it's available on your mobile when you're on the road).
o Insurance (it's still there even after your house burns down).

*DISADVANTAGES of LOCAL ENCRYPTED PERSONAL CONTAINER STORAGE*
o You have to put your brain in gear to come up with a plan

MARKETING plays to your fear; not to your logic.


I think logic is more my reason for my cloud data backup and
marketing just happens to agree with me in this case...


Let's talk logic since logic and facts are what I'm about.

Advantage of cloud storage _must_ be huge to the big six, right?
o What is that advantage?

As far as anyone can tell, what has been _proposed_ is:
a. They mine your data (which is a bad thing for you)
b. They want to rent you back your data (which is a bad thing for you)

Hmmmm... what ELSE is the reason _they_ give you personal storage?

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Old August 5th 19, 03:14 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:14:58 -0400, nospam wrote:

What's the method of putting the Windows _computer_ on the Internet
safely?


Plug it into your router, add port forwards to whatever programs are
hosting the service(s) you want to provide. Of course, this does assume
that your ISP provides you with a public IP address at your router (I
guess they do, given your USB Key comment).


that is not a safe way to do it. in fact, it's very unsafe.


The fact is that it takes reasonable technical ability to safely store
private data _off_ the Internet.
o It takes no brains whatsoever to fall for the cloud-marketing gimmicks

REFERENCES:
(Showing it takes intelligence & effort to keep private data off the cloud.)
o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/mBIZ-8jGdmk/aLDJkSJQAAAJ
o Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/T8jyHNmCHoo/_QgyHUn_AwAJ
o What are some key common databases you often SHARE between your desktop & mobile devices?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/fbtSgT0AiP0/Bwb_tsmeBwAJ
o Do you have a working freeware automatic sync between Android & Windows?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/7aOWwoEwsZ0/3f5qTpwBAgAJ
o Is there any free FUNCTIONALITY that you need to do on Android, that you can't do WITHOUT a Google Account?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/xzaii4eUY_E/WeY-r7_OAAAJ
o What do Android experts use for their single cross-platform encrypted password database synced on the LAN?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/YChNXksRNHw/tp74v9LJAwAJ
o How do you successfully import & merge & overwrite multiple keepass.kdbx files between Windows & Android?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/y7CWoAunIOY/8eBx3mXSBAAJ
o Do you have a working cross-platform PASSWD database for Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, & Android on your home LAN?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/iIjcGCYnm-E/HV1B82nlBwAJ
o Has anyone here ever set up a CalDAV server on Windows for use with Android CalDAV clients?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/52iSsFUQinE/AflgVrHVEAAJ
o What's the best way to forward SMB TCP port 445 to something higher than 1024 on Windows?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/3QQ8bAZeXNI/p7yqvwHrBQAJ
o From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/vmWWLzPHKt0/bG6EHd8GBQAJ
etc.
HINT: It takes intelligence & effort to keep private data OFF the cloud!
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Old December 29th 19, 03:59 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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UPDATE:

Apple users _still_ are primitive in what they suggest to users.
o File sharing with iTunes
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WfiLBzYbnDY

Shockingly, these supposedly helpful hints were made just today, over he
o Lewis https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WfiLBzYbnDY/tnd5LMnMBAAJ
"There is no iOS setting, and most apps have moved to sharing files via iCloud."

To which, the OP (rightly so) said:
"I don't use iCloud drive."
To which, astoundingly, the Apple Apologists advised:
"Then you're going to be limited in what you can do."

These Apple users literally suggest as an answer to how to copy large
movies from your own desktop to your own mobile device, using Apple's
expensive, slow (& quite limited in size) iCloud instead of a USB cable!
"I don't think Photos is generally the right place for movies,
but you can put them in your iCloud drive and access them"
o Lewis https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WfiLBzYbnDY/tnd5LMnMBAAJ

"In the "perfect Apple world" are no such things as wired connections.
Either you use Air Drop, your wireless network or the public wireless
(ie mobile) network. This is also the reason why Apple devices have
no LAN interfaces built in for years."
o Jeorg Lorenz https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WfiLBzYbnDY/eD_UWdrSBAAJ

And yet, anyone intelligent can easily transfer any number of any sized
files to and from their desktops and any portable device that the desktop
can accommodate (usually via USB but any method works) simply by booting to
the OS & connecting a USB cable to the device (Android, iOS, optical,
flash, etc.):
o Only a fool would need to use the cloud to transfer files to/from his own devices.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/sgSv_BRzO0A

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Amazingly, almost unfathomably, it seems that (admittedly brilliant)
Marketing has trained hordes of unimaginative users to use the expensive &
slow (and insecure) cloud simply to transfer large files & their private
data two feet back & forth from their desktops to their mobile devices.
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Old December 29th 19, 07:18 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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I put photos that I want to share on google photos, previously the
Picasa website which I liked a lot better. I put files that I want to
share that are too big to go in email on dropbox. Anything else seems
like way too much trouble as well as having the who-do-you-trust? problem.

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Old December 29th 19, 09:50 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 10:18:01 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

I put photos that I want to share on google photos, previously the
Picasa website which I liked a lot better. I put files that I want to
share that are too big to go in email on dropbox. Anything else seems
like way too much trouble as well as having the who-do-you-trust? problem.


Hi The Real Bev,

You and I go way back where I thank you for helping me understand your use
of the cloud that you just posted, which seems reasonable, and which makes
complete sense to use the cloud for things too big for email that you wish
to share with others who are far away.

For example, pointing people to your photos that are too large to email
seems to be a perfect use of the cloud, where the main problem is that you
want to use the "free" cloud as much as possible (knowing you and me), so
it's likely only 'temporary' photos are what you use the cloud for.

What I deplore is that forever renting my own data back from the cloud
providers seems like their marketing plan, which is why I never use more
than the allocated amount (which I think is 15GB for Google & something
like a puny 5GB plus some tricks to get more for free from Apple's iCloud).
o *Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/T8jyHNmCHoo/_QgyHUn_AwAJ

The good news, I think, with Google Fi anyway, is Google adds Google One
when you have Google Fi, which I got in order to get $200 off on what
turned out to be a $100 Moto G7. https://fi.google.com/about/

By getting Google Fi (on a handful of phones which I gave as stocking
stuffers), I ended up getting 100GB of Google One storage for each Motorola
G7 I gave away as a gift, so now I have _tons_ of unused cloud storage!

I'm happy with T-Mobile where, unfortunately, the US Moto G7 only has one
available SIM card slot, so I can only use one cellular service at a time.
[*I wonder if we can cut out that second slot & get two SIMs working?*]
https://i.postimg.cc/CxjDygsz/motog704.jpg

BTW, I think it's interesting that nospam always compares the worst phones
by price to performance to his beloved iPhones, where this new $100 Moto G7
(with 64GB of storage and 4GB of RAM for 8 CPU cores) is about the price of
the California sales tax on his comparison phones, which don't even have
the hardware nor anywhere near the modern app functionality of this $100
Moto G7 phablet which replaced my previous $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus that I
bought at Costco on Christmas eve two years ago:
https://i.postimg.cc/136096sR/motog700.jpg

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desktop is (i.e., by functionality):
https://i.postimg.cc/MTX4gRKW/motog705.jpg
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Old December 30th 19, 07:19 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/29/2019 12:50 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 10:18:01 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

I put photos that I want to share on google photos, previously the
Picasa website which I liked a lot better. I put files that I want to
share that are too big to go in email on dropbox. Anything else seems
like way too much trouble as well as having the who-do-you-trust? problem.


Hi The Real Bev,

You and I go way back where I thank you for helping me understand your use
of the cloud that you just posted, which seems reasonable, and which makes
complete sense to use the cloud for things too big for email that you wish
to share with others who are far away.

For example, pointing people to your photos that are too large to email
seems to be a perfect use of the cloud, where the main problem is that you
want to use the "free" cloud as much as possible (knowing you and me), so
it's likely only 'temporary' photos are what you use the cloud for.


Actually, no. Google allows unlimited photo storage as long as the
greater dimension of each photo is 1600 pixels, so I edit them to that
size and post them in nice organized albums. Filenames are the
filedates. I keep my originals in one subdirectory and the edited
photos in a different one. I've organized them nicely in albums, so I
can find what I want easier there than on my own machine!

I edit with Picasa, which is also good at finding my photos based on
WORDS -- flowers, snow, people, etc.

What I deplore is that forever renting my own data back from the cloud
providers seems like their marketing plan, which is why I never use more
than the allocated amount (which I think is 15GB for Google & something
like a puny 5GB plus some tricks to get more for free from Apple's iCloud).
o *Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/T8jyHNmCHoo/_QgyHUn_AwAJ


Daughter takes far more pictures than I do, and she stores them on the
iCloud. Sharing with not-iPeople is iffy, unfortunately. I can only
see half of the thousands of pix she took on her month-long driving trip
around the UK :-(

The good news, I think, with Google Fi anyway, is Google adds Google One
when you have Google Fi, which I got in order to get $200 off on what
turned out to be a $100 Moto G7. https://fi.google.com/about/

By getting Google Fi (on a handful of phones which I gave as stocking
stuffers), I ended up getting 100GB of Google One storage for each Motorola
G7 I gave away as a gift, so now I have _tons_ of unused cloud storage!


I have several gmail accounts, so I figure I have pretty much unlimited
free storage.

I'm happy with T-Mobile where, unfortunately, the US Moto G7 only has one
available SIM card slot, so I can only use one cellular service at a time.
[*I wonder if we can cut out that second slot & get two SIMs working?*]
https://i.postimg.cc/CxjDygsz/motog704.jpg


I'd like a $150 64GB phone with two SIMs and a 128GB sdcard. I don't
need 128GB, but what the heck, cards are cheap! Oh yeah, and a good
camera...

BTW, I think it's interesting that nospam always compares the worst phones
by price to performance to his beloved iPhones, where this new $100 Moto G7
(with 64GB of storage and 4GB of RAM for 8 CPU cores) is about the price of
the California sales tax on his comparison phones, which don't even have
the hardware nor anywhere near the modern app functionality of this $100
Moto G7 phablet which replaced my previous $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus that I
bought at Costco on Christmas eve two years ago:
https://i.postimg.cc/136096sR/motog700.jpg


Still happy with my Moto G5+, which is now 2 years old.

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poor old Lumpy died of cancer doesn't mean he should be written
out of history." -- RMassey
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Old December 30th 19, 05:06 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 22:19:25 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

Google allows unlimited photo storage as long as the
greater dimension of each photo is 1600 pixels


Hi The Real Bev,
I was unaware that Google allows unlimited (smallish) photos!
o Thanks for letting me (us) know (info is where Usenet is useful!)

I edit with Picasa, which is also good at finding my photos based on
WORDS -- flowers, snow, people, etc.


That's exactly whey I don't put my private data (incl. photos) on the net!

Daughter takes far more pictures than I do, and she stores them on the
iCloud. Sharing with not-iPeople is iffy, unfortunately. I can only
see half of the thousands of pix she took on her month-long driving trip
around the UK :-(


I have iCloud accounts that you _must_ have with each iOS device (AFAIK);
where, intelligent people will note that only Apple _requires_ an account
for mobile devices.

Android phones do not have that huge privacy flaw of all iOS devices.
o Note: Apple advertises the heck out of what is _imaginary_ privacy!

I have several gmail accounts, so I figure I have pretty much unlimited
free storage.


Understood. Gmail doesn't like me so much 'cuz I use random VPN servers
where Gmail hates people who log in one second from Texas, the next minute
from Kansas, and five minutes later from the UK or Germany or whatever.

I'd like a $150 64GB phone with two SIMs and a 128GB sdcard. I don't
need 128GB, but what the heck, cards are cheap! Oh yeah, and a good
camera...


All common consumer devices get better, faster, & cheaper over time:
(except the (admittedly brilliantly) marketed consumer devices, of course)
o *Does the best priceerformance choice in any common consumer electronics*
*device NOT get better, faster, and CHEAPER over time?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/eSudn2SUkws/i3yWZnEcCQAJ

E.g., my Android phones each get "better, faster, cheaper" over time:
3. $200 8GB Moto G with 4 cores & 1GB RAM
2. $130 32GB LG Stylo 3 Plus phablet with 8 cores & 2B RAM
1. $100 64GB Moto G7 phablet with 8 cores & 4GB RAM

Personally, I haven't yet understood why people pay 10 times as much???
o *What would a 10X more expensive phone actually buy me that actually matters?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/SfGKMN43_ss/KvnBasb3AQAJ

Since consumer electronics (except highly marketed devices) constantly get
better, faster, and cheaper over time, that $150 64GB/4GB RAM dual-SIM will
soon be in your hands (I think all the European Moto G7s, for example, are
dual SIM.

Still happy with my Moto G5+, which is now 2 years old.


Since we both _love_ our phones, you should post why you love it he
o *I truly LOVE my current personal phone - do you love yours?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/RrF_gkWRU_g/scVpzf-uBwAJ

My phones are so beloved, I only replace them when something happens.

What amazes me is that Apple owners, traditionally, seem to wait on long
lines outside the Apple store simply because they can't wait to ditch their
old phones every couple of years (they traditionally have that little
regard for what they previously bought only a couple of years prior).

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