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New Windows 10 User dealing with "MyPC".
Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/31/19 3:19 AM, Bill wrote: I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a "recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2 different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC" feature, which was new to me. Well, duih!!Â* LOLÂ* Now I got it!Â* That redundancy issue has been around for a long time.Â* I think the first time I heard of it was W98, where desktop showed up more than once in Windows Explorer. I don't know if Patrick mentioned it to you, but "This PC" was "Computer", which was "My Computer", which was xxxxxxxx earlier.Â* If you go to Google Images, and start searching for File Manager/Windows Explorer/File Explorer for each version of Windows, starting with W3.11, you'll see how MS has made this function of a computer more and more complex and confusing over time. Yes, the problem in this case seemed to be that this "path" opened/expanded when I open Desktop at a higher level. If it had remained closed, as the one that is there now does, there would have been no complaints my me, in fact it will be handy to have it there--it's more like my old "My Computer" icon--which is exactly what I wanted. Bill But you'll note in my screenshot of Winfile, there is zero redundancy. As time has gone on, MS made things more and more confusing visually, seemingly to totally forget the KISS principle.Â* Which makes it harder and harder for people to understand how things are organized. |
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New Windows 10 User dealing with "MyPC".
On 12/31/2019 11:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/31/19 8:10 PM, knuttle wrote: On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote: knuttle wrote: On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote: I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a "recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2 different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC" feature, which was new to me. Bill Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the jump list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including File explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files. For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list. You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list from the start page. Is this the functionality you are looking for? 95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the jump list.Â* Is this different than "Quick Access"?Â* By the way, I like the Windows 10 taskbar too. Thanks, Bill Yes it is different from the Quick Access. To illustrate how I use them:Â* I have all of the programs that I use routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc. When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu of the last items I accessed using that specific program.Â* With the word processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA matches)Â* I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am always checking matches or adding matches. An image processing program is pinned to the taskbar.Â* When I right click on it a get a list of the last pictures I have looked at. I find I rarely need to access the File Explorer to get what I need. When I do it is pinned to the taskbar and a right click gives me a list of the most recent folders I have used.Â* Again the most frequent are pinned to the File Explorer's jump list. Please be aware that what you see in the Jumplist is somewhat dependent on the program.Â*Â* For my Browser, I delete on recently visited websites when I leave the browser.Â*Â* Therefor there are no Website listed in the Browser Jumplist. I have 10 routinely used programs pinned to the taskbar.Â* Using the Jumplist I have access to over 100 files and folders, with a right click on a program icon.Â* (This keeps my desktop clear for the my photo graphs.) In this type of situation, I think I would have a task view for each program, and the program running.Â* Then never shut down or restart the computer unless necessary.Â* I'd also have it set to reopen windows when started, too. This is a difference in the way we use a computer. I work on the philosophy that the best prevention against virus and intrusion is a computer that is turned off. Therefore when ever I am not using our computers a hard shut down is performed. |
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New Windows 10 User dealing with "MyPC".
On 1/1/20 5:44 AM, knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 11:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/31/19 8:10 PM, knuttle wrote: On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote: knuttle wrote: On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote: I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a "recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2 different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC" feature, which was new to me. Bill Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the jump list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including File explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files. For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list. You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list from the start page. Is this the functionality you are looking for? 95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the jump list.Â* Is this different than "Quick Access"?Â* By the way, I like the Windows 10 taskbar too. Thanks, Bill Yes it is different from the Quick Access. To illustrate how I use them:Â* I have all of the programs that I use routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc. When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu of the last items I accessed using that specific program.Â* With the word processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA matches)Â* I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am always checking matches or adding matches. An image processing program is pinned to the taskbar.Â* When I right click on it a get a list of the last pictures I have looked at. I find I rarely need to access the File Explorer to get what I need. When I do it is pinned to the taskbar and a right click gives me a list of the most recent folders I have used.Â* Again the most frequent are pinned to the File Explorer's jump list. Please be aware that what you see in the Jumplist is somewhat dependent on the program.Â*Â* For my Browser, I delete on recently visited websites when I leave the browser.Â*Â* Therefor there are no Website listed in the Browser Jumplist. I have 10 routinely used programs pinned to the taskbar.Â* Using the Jumplist I have access to over 100 files and folders, with a right click on a program icon.Â* (This keeps my desktop clear for the my photo graphs.) In this type of situation, I think I would have a task view for each program, and the program running.Â* Then never shut down or restart the computer unless necessary.Â* I'd also have it set to reopen windows when started, too. This is a difference in the way we use a computer. I work on the philosophy that the best prevention against virus and intrusion is a computer that is turned off. Therefore when ever I am not using our computers a hard shut down is performed. I agree with you, Keith, about the intrusion. But you can have both. :-) 1. Disconnect your computer from within the OS, or physically remove the Ethernet cable. Physical disconnection could be a PITA, depending on the hardware. 2. Turn the gateway off. Mine is powered through a surge protected power strip, and I used to do this. I don't know, but is it possible to turn a gateway off internally, and still allow it to operate you local network? 3. Put the computer to sleep or hibernate. I've never read that a malware intrusion can occur when a computer is in either one of these states. Possibly an intrusion can occur if wake on LAN is activated, but again I don't know if that is a possibility. Basically, I can have your intrusion protection plus my convenience task views at the same time. Which I've always had with my Mac. I can turn it off, and when I turn it back on, the alternate desktops return, and desired software opens in the desired desired desktop. All since 2009. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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New Windows 10 User dealing with "MyPC".
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:53:27 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: On 1/1/20 5:44 AM, knuttle wrote: This is a difference in the way we use a computer. I work on the philosophy that the best prevention against virus and intrusion is a computer that is turned off. Therefore when ever I am not using our computers a hard shut down is performed. I agree with you, Keith, about the intrusion. But you can have both. :-) 1. Disconnect your computer from within the OS, or physically remove the Ethernet cable. Physical disconnection could be a PITA, depending on the hardware. 2. Turn the gateway off. Mine is powered through a surge protected power strip, and I used to do this. I don't know, but is it possible to turn a gateway off internally, and still allow it to operate you local network? Yes, you can disable Internet access while retaining LAN connectivity by removing the entry for Default Gateway or by changing the entry to an address other than your actual gateway. To re-enable Internet access, just reset the proper DG address. There are CLI commands for those things so you could create one or more batch files to accomplish it for you, or just click through the GUI. The GUI approach would be a PITA. 3. Put the computer to sleep or hibernate. I've never read that a malware intrusion can occur when a computer is in either one of these states. Possibly an intrusion can occur if wake on LAN is activated, but again I don't know if that is a possibility. Basically, I can have your intrusion protection plus my convenience task views at the same time. Which I've always had with my Mac. I can turn it off, and when I turn it back on, the alternate desktops return, and desired software opens in the desired desired desktop. All since 2009. |
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New Windows 10 User dealing with "MyPC".
On 1/1/20 11:35 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:53:27 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 1/1/20 5:44 AM, knuttle wrote: This is a difference in the way we use a computer. I work on the philosophy that the best prevention against virus and intrusion is a computer that is turned off. Therefore when ever I am not using our computers a hard shut down is performed. I agree with you, Keith, about the intrusion. But you can have both. :-) 1. Disconnect your computer from within the OS, or physically remove the Ethernet cable. Physical disconnection could be a PITA, depending on the hardware. 2. Turn the gateway off. Mine is powered through a surge protected power strip, and I used to do this. I don't know, but is it possible to turn a gateway off internally, and still allow it to operate you local network? Yes, you can disable Internet access while retaining LAN connectivity by removing the entry for Default Gateway or by changing the entry to an address other than your actual gateway. To re-enable Internet access, just reset the proper DG address. There are CLI commands for those things so you could create one or more batch files to accomplish it for you, or just click through the GUI. The GUI approach would be a PITA. Thanks, Char. Have a Happy New Year. 3. Put the computer to sleep or hibernate. I've never read that a malware intrusion can occur when a computer is in either one of these states. Possibly an intrusion can occur if wake on LAN is activated, but again I don't know if that is a possibility. Basically, I can have your intrusion protection plus my convenience task views at the same time. Which I've always had with my Mac. I can turn it off, and when I turn it back on, the alternate desktops return, and desired software opens in the desired desired desktop. All since 2009. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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