The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux

Another example of the stench of Linux.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=289943

Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute.
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by PetroL » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:49 am
Hello to you all.
I am new to linux since 20 years back, never really had the patience
until now...

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) but apparently
as many others the sound wont come to life...
After a lot of searching and tryouts I have to ask for help...

I tryed to enable the speakers in alsamixer changing from HDMI to the
internal (chtrt5650). Problem is they getting so hot I can barely touch
them, not to mention the stench... I don´t dare to change from MM to
unmute a fourth time, there must be something seriously faulty here and I
don´t know if the left speaker is burned for good by now. Both initially
gave some scraping sound when I started fiddling around but since my last
try only the right one made a sound occasionally.

My question is, this chtrt5650 which I think is the sound card for the
internal speakers, is there any drivers to download like "realtek" or
"AC97" I can try? All I get in Sound Settings is "Dummy Output"...
pavucontrol only shows 8 or 9 different HDMI options all though the
output bar is moving when Youtube is playing in the background.

Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work.
Thanks in advance.

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)

I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be
faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine.
And Linux for Chrome OS is available.

I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable,
polished PC and OS. Chromebooks can deliver that. Putting Mint on them
brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But
not a reason to complain.

Regards

M.

On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies
wrote:

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)

I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be
faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine.
And Linux for Chrome OS is available.

I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable,
polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them
brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But
not a reason to complain.

Regards

M.

I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications
which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in
schools.

Linux is the opposite.

Linux runs like crap and has crap applications and unless you purchase
something like Redhat support, you are stuck with the Linux community
for support and we can all see how ****ed up they are. ie:RTFM.

On 2020-01-04, James wrote:
Another example of the stench of Linux.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=289943

Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute.
Quote

Post
by PetroL » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:49 am
Hello to you all.
I am new to linux since 20 years back, never really had the patience
until now...

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) but apparently
as many others the sound wont come to life...
After a lot of searching and tryouts I have to ask for help...

I tryed to enable the speakers in alsamixer changing from HDMI to the
internal (chtrt5650). Problem is they getting so hot I can barely touch
them, not to mention the stench... I don´t dare to change from MM to
unmute a fourth time, there must be something seriously faulty here and I
don´t know if the left speaker is burned for good by now. Both initially
gave some scraping sound when I started fiddling around but since my last
try only the right one made a sound occasionally.

My question is, this chtrt5650 which I think is the sound card for the
internal speakers, is there any drivers to download like "realtek" or
"AC97" I can try? All I get in Sound Settings is "Dummy Output"...
pavucontrol only shows 8 or 9 different HDMI options all though the
output bar is moving when Youtube is playing in the background.

Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work.
Thanks in advance.

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it
dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has
nothing to do with software.

William Unruh wrote in
:

On 2020-01-04, James wrote:
Another example of the stench of Linux.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=289943

Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute.
Quote

Post
by PetroL » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:49 am
Hello to you all.
I am new to linux since 20 years back, never really had the patience
until now...

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) but
apparently as many others the sound wont come to life...
After a lot of searching and tryouts I have to ask for help...

I tryed to enable the speakers in alsamixer changing from HDMI to the
internal (chtrt5650). Problem is they getting so hot I can barely
touch them, not to mention the stench... I don´t dare to change from
MM to unmute a fourth time, there must be something seriously faulty
here and I don´t know if the left speaker is burned for good by now.
Both initially gave some scraping sound when I started fiddling
around but since my last try only the right one made a sound
occasionally.

My question is, this chtrt5650 which I think is the sound card for
the internal speakers, is there any drivers to download like
"realtek" or "AC97" I can try? All I get in Sound Settings is "Dummy
Output"... pavucontrol only shows 8 or 9 different HDMI options all
though the output bar is moving when Youtube is playing in the
background.

Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work.
Thanks in advance.

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it
dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has
nothing to do with software.

Except for the, ahem, "minor detail" that the hardware works perfectly
with Chrome and that an alternative Linux .asund file fixed his problem.

Linux fails again..

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Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute.
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by PetroL » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:04 am
YEES!!!

Thank you very much sir, now I have an internal speaker option and the
sound works!
I put the asound.state from he https://pastebin.com/c4qU9hdg in
var/libs/alsa , made an "sudo alsa force-reload" and it just worked..

A big thank you again, my biggest obstacle is gone, now to find the
Swedish chromebook keyboard layout for mint.

EDIT: I know it sounds strange and unbelievable but the shorted speakers
is a fact as stated above, tried it again earlier today and got the same
issues. My left speaker is weaker than the right and after opening my
chromebook the left on is damaged, the cone on it extruding circa 5 mm
more then the right.

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Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute.
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by MrEen » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:43 pm
That's great that it worked for you!

I'm still a little nervous about your speakers. If they ever blow, you
can get something like this to attach external speakers with.

Have fun.
My sound fix tips for Linux Mint

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On 04/01/2020 15.37, roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies
wrote:

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)

I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be
faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine.
And Linux for Chrome OS is available.

I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable,
polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them
brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But
not a reason to complain.

Regards

M.

I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications
which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in
schools.

The funny thing, ChromeOS is Linux. So your logic is flawed.

On 04/01/20 17:47, J.O. Aho wrote:
On 04/01/2020 15.37, roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies
wrote:

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)

I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome
OSÂ* will be
faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for
this machine.
And Linux for Chrome OS is available.

I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable,
secure, reliable,
polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting
Mint on them
brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun -
or not. But
not a reason to complain.

Regards

M.

I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and
applications
which is why it has developed a very large market share,
especially in
schools.

The funny thing, ChromeOS is Linux.

maibe tainted linux ? Jaded linux ?

So your logic is flawed.


--
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2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)

William,

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
that has nothing to do with software.

Not quite.

If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.

Ofcourse, the same will happen when the audio signal drops to a few hertz -
which is not unheard of, as that is often used to detect if there is
something connected to the audio output (cheaper than a switch build into
the audio jack, and will even work with a headphone extension cord).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 1/4/20 9:47 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
On 04/01/2020 15.37, roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies
wrote:

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)

I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OSÂ* will be
faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine.
And Linux for Chrome OS is available.

I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable,
polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them
brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But
not a reason to complain.

Regards

M.

I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications
which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in
schools.

The funny thing, ChromeOS is Linux. So your logic is flawed.

ChromeOS runs on Linux, no doubt, but it is no the same as destkop
Linux. It can tap into that ecosystem -- though from what I have seen
few do that.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote:
William,

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
that has nothing to do with software.

Not quite.

If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.

And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.


Ofcourse, the same will happen when the audio signal drops to a few hertz -
which is not unheard of, as that is often used to detect if there is
something connected to the audio output (cheaper than a switch build into
the audio jack, and will even work with a headphone extension cord).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote:

On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote:
William,

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
that has nothing to do with software.

Not quite.

If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.

And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.

You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread:

1. Chrome OS worked fine.
2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell.
3. Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site
fixed the problem.

This is a Linux problem.
And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware.

Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages.

https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/

On 2020-01-04, roach wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote:

On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote:
William,

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
that has nothing to do with software.

Not quite.

If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.

And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.

You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread:

1. Chrome OS worked fine.
2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell.
3. Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site
fixed the problem.

That chromeOS has a workaround to a hardware fault is fine (they could
hardly sell the system if it did not). That does not alter the fact that
feeding DC through speakers is a hardware fault. That that obscure
..asound file also has a workaround to that same fault is good. But that
does not make the problem a software problem. It means that software can
be used to mitigate a hardware problem sometimes.



This is a Linux problem.

No it is a hardware problem, which as you have discovered, there is a
Linux fix which is a workaround to that hardware problem.


And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware.

Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages.

https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/

That says nothing about poor fan control. The article states that the
fan is working as hard as it can ("As the mercury rises in the summer
season, the fan speed of the computer goes nuts."), but the laptop is
still overheating. That is a hardware fault again.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote:

On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote:
William,

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
that has nothing to do with software.

Not quite.

If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.

And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.


Ofcourse, the same will happen when the audio signal drops to a few hertz -
which is not unheard of, as that is often used to detect if there is
something connected to the audio output (cheaper than a switch build into
the audio jack, and will even work with a headphone extension cord).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



Believe what you wish in order to defend your precious Linux.
Any person using that device and smelling it burning under Linux is
going to blame Linux. Especially when the same device functions under
another OS.

BTW, I thought ChromeOs was Linux.
Hahahahhahah!

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:31:43 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote:

On 2020-01-04, roach wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote:

On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote:
William,

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
that has nothing to do with software.

Not quite.

If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.

And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.

You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread:

1. Chrome OS worked fine.
2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell.
3. Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site
fixed the problem.

That chromeOS has a workaround to a hardware fault is fine (they could
hardly sell the system if it did not). That does not alter the fact that
feeding DC through speakers is a hardware fault. That that obscure
.asound file also has a workaround to that same fault is good. But that
does not make the problem a software problem. It means that software can
be used to mitigate a hardware problem sometimes.



This is a Linux problem.

No it is a hardware problem, which as you have discovered, there is a
Linux fix which is a workaround to that hardware problem.


And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware.

Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages.

https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/

That says nothing about poor fan control. The article states that the
fan is working as hard as it can ("As the mercury rises in the summer
season, the fan speed of the computer goes nuts."), but the laptop is
still overheating. That is a hardware fault again.

You might want to read the comments where several people state they
have no problems with Windows on the same laptop.

Linux loses again.

William,

And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC
to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.

So your defence is that when the software makes a mistake the hardware
should fix it ? Interresting train of thought.

But nope. If the cause of the problem is having a DC voltage delivered to
the amplifier than whatever is causing that is at fault I'm afraid.
Regardless of the amplifier having some kind of protection against it or
not.

.... Can still be a hardware fault though (not likely, but not a zero chance
either), just now the hardware within the chromebook itself.

Than again, my second explanation to the loudspeaker heating up is probably
more plausible. Subsonic sound.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser