Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?

In message nospam wrote:
In article , NY
wrote:


since the ipad is seen as a standard digital camera, windows explorer
will work, which i've said several times already and which you continue
to ignore for some reason.

It's useful to hear you say that "the ipad is seen as a standard digital
camera [and] windows explorer will work". It confirms that what I'm trying
to do *ought* to work and that I'm not attempting the impossible.

it ain't just me. microsoft and apple say the same thing.

Also probably several hundred million iPhone users who use Windows.

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Internet was down last night. Turns out I have two kids. They seem
pretty well-behaved

In message Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-08-15 23:40, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

the ipad is not 'a storage device'.

Of course it is. If it didn't store data, it would be almost useless.

ok, i can see you just want to argue, but i'll play along for a little
bit.

No, I just want to remind you that from my POV, the only reason to
connect to an iPad is its storage.

Then you made a very poor buying decision., You can get 512GB of storage
fort a lot cheaper than the cheapest iPad.




--
Carlin's Third Commandment: Thou shall keep thy religion to thyself.

On 18 Aug 2018 03:34:45 GMT, Lewis wrote:

The "given scenario" is "I WANT TO USE A USB CABLE WAH WAH WAH! IT's
1999! SHUT UP!"

Yet again, it's instructive when Lewis posts as the Windows user who is not
familiar with the childish antics of the typical Apple Apologist gets to
see, first hand, how fantastically childish they constantly prove
themselves to be.

On 18 Aug 2018 03:30:52 GMT, Lewis wrote:

then you need to by a malware magnet running
the insecure-by-design Android operating system. Good luck getting a
tablet running android that isn't a complete piece of **** though,
beyond the security and malware issues.

I love when Lewis posts because he's the *lowest* level of Apple user.
So, like any small child, Lewis can't even hide his true feelings.

Hence it's instructive, for the Windows users, to realize the mentality of
the typical Apple customer, as exemplified by Lewis' statemsnt above.

Notice how the typical Apple customer is...
a. Influenced so much by Apple MARKETING that they blindly parrot them,
b. And so scared of their own shadows that they *feel* safer with Apple

Whether or not Apple products are safer (they're not - they're not even
close to safer - they just have GREAT MARKETING which makes the customer
*feel* safer) doesn't matter (and I agree).

What matters to the Apple customer is the *feeling* of safety.

Always remember that psychological trait of die-hard Apple consumers like
Lewis whenever you are perplexed by why Apple buyers say what they say.

create animated "memoji" like cartoon characters that he the put into a

You'll also notice that Apple consumers are, well, *consumed* by silly
antics such as this childish "memoji" fascination.

I have often pondered why iOS has so much less actual functionality so I
look at their MARKETING pages to see what they advertise - and you know
what is *always* on top of the list of what they "think" is all that their
customers care about?
1. Memojis
2. Colors

Yup. Those two utterly worthless "features" are *big deals* to the childish
Apple customers like Lewis.

*Yet again, Lewis' comment show that Apple posters are not like normal adults.*

nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

[Still dodging the specified hardware setup deleted.]

try connecting two windows computers via usb and see how
well that works out for you.

Well, BETTER than connecting an iOS device to a Windows
computer via USB.

nope. not better. it simply will not work.

Yes, it WILL work. That you don't know how, isn't anybodies problem
but yours.

nope. it won't work. usb is master/slave, not peer to peer. a standard
usb cable won't even fit, at least not usb a/b.

You DON'T say!? So what about one which is USB-A to USB-A and which
has the needed electronics? It's generally called an 'Easy Transfer
Cable' or 'Laplink USB cable'.

in other words, not a standard usb cable and one which requires
additional software, thereby violating the (artificial) 'no apps
required' restriction.

Who cares!?

YOU said:

try connecting two windows computers via usb and see how
well that works out for you.

THAT was what I was commenting on, period.

*Per definition*, the cable would be "not a standard usb cable", so
that's an irrelevant argument.

And *I* never said 'no apps required', remember. You try to play us
apart by hammering about "you", but when cornered it's suddently about
the others. Earth to nospam: Can't have your cake, ...

BTW, in some scenarios an extra app is *not* needed.

[More foot-stamping deleted.]

On 18 Aug 2018 04:00:48 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

BTW, in some scenarios an extra app is *not* needed.

Whenever nospam is involved, the silly semantic games become endless, so
I'm just commenting on whether an extra "app" is needed ...

In the case of Android, you plug it in, and then you copy files *both*
ways, read and write - from any location below /sdcard0 (or whatever they
call the user space on any particular phone).

Whatever "app" is needed is already native on both the desktop & the mobile
device.

For iOS, that's patently impossible.

The best you can do under those same circumstances on iOS is read-only
access to a single drilled-down location on the iOS device (i.e., the
pictures and videos and screenshots you've captured).

That's a fact nospam will vehemently deny as he denies most facts that are
inconvenient to his belief system.

But the fact that facts don't fit into his belief system doesn't change
that they're still facts.

Your Name wrote:
[...]
Every piece of software you run on a computer is an "app" and has been
since computers were invented - they're *ALL* simply "software
applications" / "software programs". You trying to idiotically (and
incorrectly) nitpick terminology doesn't change that FACT.

By trying to pinpoint a precise definition of "app" you go IMO
overboard and actually contradict/disprove your our arguments.

For example: Any part of the OS, scheduler, dispatcher, memory
manager, driver, whatever is a "piece of software you run on a
computer", but nobody in their right mind (read: with any applicable
knowledge) would call those components "apps".

So the next - equally senseless - dispute would probably be about
whether or not "you run" these components or not. Well, if I don't
switch on / boot up the bloddy thing, these components won't run, so
yes, I run these non-app pieces of software on a computer.

BTW, in a Windows context, Microsoft calls things like File Explorer,
"programs", and the Metro-style thingies "apps". See for example
'Uninstall or change a program' (in Control Panel).

nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:
[...]
So's "app", which as I recall was an abbreviation for "application
program",

'application program' is redundant.

Nope. There were - and still are - distinct categories of programs,
which were/are *not* in the category 'application [programs]', i.e.
utility programs, backup programs, etc., etc..

You trying to rewrite history from *your* perspective, doesn't mean
that there wasn't/isn't other usage in environments which you allegedly
didn't/don't encounter.

Moral: Don't try to portray *your* alleged 'knowledge' of the
use/meaning of these terms, as the only possible use/meaning.

nope. utilities, games, graphics, backup, email, educational, etc. are
sub-categories of applications, or apps.

Opinion. See above.

That's why Explorer (a Windows program) isn't an app.

yes it is.

Sadly enough Windows (i.e. Microsoft), Wikipedia, etc. don't care
about your opinion.

File Explorer is a part of the OS (hence it sits in C:\Windows) and
sane people make a distinction between application / application program
and the OS.

And explorer.exe is an .exe file, about which Wikipedia - quite
sensibly - says this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.exe

".exe is a common filename extension denoting an executable file (the
main execution point of a computer program) for DOS, OpenVMS, Microsoft
Windows"

Note "computer program", i.e. Wikipedia is not so silly as to equate
any computer program to an application or app.

And. as I've said before, Microsoft lists these (non-) "apps" in
"Programs and Features" (not "Apps ..."), they live in "Program Files"
(not "App ..."), etc., etc..

nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

| In other words, the answer (to - amongst others - Wolf K question) is
| 'no'.
|
| The answer to his question is "yes,. of course, this is how you do it"
| and you and your mate scream like widdle babies "I DON'T WANT TO DO IT
| THAT WAY!" and claim that means it's impossible.
|
| --
| In other news, Gandalf died. -- Secret Diary of Boromir

Now you've done it, Frank. But this does answer
the age-old question: Who's more unreasonable
than an AppleSeed? That would be an AppleSeed
who's also a Tolkien fetishist.

Yeah, I wondered how long it would take for the other Apple zealots/

ad hominem.

You may want to look up what 'zealot' or/and 'ad hominem' *actually*
mean.

loons to come to nospam's 'rescue'. Normally they don't take that long.

nobody is coming to anyone's rescue.

Opinion noted.

what we have are a bunch of people who know little to nothing about
apple products trying to tell those who use apple products daily how
they work and what can and cannot be done.

Watching FOX News again? No such thing happened.

Which shows that the part you silently snipped is still fully
applicable:

But it's comforting to see that also they still can't read for
comprehension, lie about what happened and change the (physical)
requirements to suit their (in)capabililties. So nothing has changed.
Phew!

nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

i've even explained it to *you* a while back, regarding smb
apps. or have you somehow forgotten that?

1) This isn't about me, but - as I stated in the part you
SNIPPED - about Bob-S and Wolf K, 2) This isn't about SMB.
3) Me being interested in SMB on iOS, unlikely, so PROVE
me wrong.

it's about transferring files, and smb is one such method among many
others, which i listed already.

This subthread is about transferring files via USB cables. Always has
been.

nope. it's about moving files from one device to another. always has
been because that's the *only* thing that matters.

Nope, 'moving' (actually *managing*) files over USB. The reason for
that scenario has been given: No network, also not a local-only one.

no network is needed, although there is almost always one available.

You don't get to define the scenario, period. Get over it.

i am not defining anything.

Yes you are. You are REdefining the USB scenario into a non-USB one.

i've listed a ****load of methods and the user can choose whichever one
*they* want to use, for whatever reason *they* want.

After umpteen repeats the ****load of irrelevant methods becomes a
pain.

if they want to use usb, they can. if they don't, that's ok too.

knowing *all* of the available options helps someone make an informed
choice for what works best for their given scenario.

Which for 'the five of us' is USB, for the *stated* *reasons*.

you want to force people to use usb at all costs, without even knowing
what their situation even *is*.

I don't force anybody to use what they damn well please. YOU OTOH
force 'the five of us' NOT to use USB.

files are not going to be 'better' if they're sent over usb than wifi.
at the end of the day, they're the same files.

and as has been repeatedly said, there is no issue with using usb if
that's what the user wants to do.

Well, so far it doesn't work at all for those who need it and if it
would work, it would only work for photo/video, not files in general.

it works quite well for those who need it.

Sigh! "those who need" it are 'the five of us' (well minus me because
I no longer need/want it), and *so far* for 'the five of us' it does NOT
work.

nothing is perfect and there may be the occasional issue, which almost
always can be resolved.

With zero progress sofar! Perhaps instead of shooting the messengers
umpteen times, you could/should try to actually *help* them!

nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

1. Connect device and drag files in via iTunes

Yup. So why doesn't your fellow Apple zealot

ad hominem.

Nope, see my other response.

just *say* so and
get/have this over with!?

itunes was mentioned early on, however, it's not well suited for what
was described.

Severe case of sarchasm.

it's just another in a long list of options.

2. User a service like Dropbox, Google Drive., of iCloud Drive
3. Use AirDrop from another iOS device or a Mac
4. Email
5. Messages
6. other messaging services that work on iOS and support files (Dunno
which, I don't use other message programes, but I expect they exist).

Yeah, those all with great without a network (i.e. also no local-only
one)! NOT!

airdrop does not require a network (it's peer to peer).

barf! Re-read and try to comprehend what you just wrote.

But by all means, tell us more about Airdrop between an iOS device and
a Windows device. I.e. what's needed hardware and software wise, how to
set it up, etc., etc.. I.e. facts and usable / usage information,
instead of paper tigers.

not having network access is exceptionally rare and you know it. both
wifi and cellular are just about everywhere.

As I've sad many times before, you *really* should get out more!

Ignoring the rest of the world outside your city-dweller bubble is
getting more laugable by the minute.

Yes, I live in a large(r) city too and have cullular and Wi-Fi access,
but *I* - and zillions of *others* - *do* go out of the city, into the
country, into 'nature', into 'the outback', etc., where there is *no*
Wi-Fi, *no* cellular, no aything (except multi-multi dollar a MB
sattelite).

THAT, my 'friend' is The Real World (TM).

Lewis wrote:
In message Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
Yeah, those all with great without a network (i.e. also no local-only
one)! NOT!

AirDrop works perfectly without a network. It is how I transferred files
with people on a zodiac boat a few miles off the coast of Alaska.

7. Use a Synology with DS File

Checking... Nah, don't have one in my car, sorry!

You are transferring files in your car? Then use AirDrop. Duh.,

So tell us about AirDrop between an iOS device and a Windows computer!

I've had a quick look at Wikipedia's AirDrop page, but that doesn't
says anything about Windows. Also the AirDrop on iOS page only mentions
"other Apple devices".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirDrop
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204144

[...]

Lewis wrote:
In message Wolf K wrote:
In short, I see no reason why I should have to use any of those methods
if I don't want to.

If you want to get your files onto an iOS device, you do. If being able
to use a USB cable and access the files system of a phone directly is a
critical feature for you, then you need to by a malware magnet running
the insecure-by-design Android operating system.

So we have one Apple 'fan' (Lewis) contradicting another one (nospam),
never mind the fact that he feels the need to chlidishly belittle the
platform which *can* do what is asked for.

So who's correct. nospam or Lewis?

On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 08:47:42 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-08-17 20:09, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:14:55 -0400, Wolf
wrote:

On 2018-08-17 16:55, Arlen Holder wrote:
On 17 Aug 2018 12:58:58 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

I'm saying that I go back to_before_ the web.
I suspect every one of us goes back to before the Internet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet
Kermit and other communication protocols are roughly contemporaneous
with the WWW.

Kermit began in1981 and the web in 1991. So Kermit was 10 years
earlier. (I didn't know those dates. I had to look them both up on
Google g)

[...]

Right. It took a while for kermit to spread beyond its originating
campus. My hazy memory puts widespread use sometime in the mid-80s.



I never used it, so I don't know

On 18 Aug 2018 07:34:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

So tell us about AirDrop between an iOS device and a Windows computer!

I've had a quick look at Wikipedia's AirDrop page, but that doesn't
says anything about Windows. Also the AirDrop on iOS page only mentions
"other Apple devices".

*"The real world is _not supported_"*
Try AirDrop on Linux... )

It's instructive for Windows users to note that Apple has been caught many
(many) times (on their own support pages no less), simply telling loyal
customers who want their toy devices to work in the real world that:
*"The real world is _not supported_"*

For recent example, see...
Apple doesn't test any of their products in the real world!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/7pKV3Dok4fg/Xaqh5Pf1BgAJ

Yet again, Apple forgot to test iOS 11.2.6 in the real world
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/AlkmHCTSUXg/K5GdwrzdCQAJ

Every time iOS updates, Apple causes new problems in the REAL world...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Z6xD4HaiyjE/Jr5yYrBUCAAJ

Even genuine Apple displays no longer work in the real world
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/YIhdXZL07DQ/eT_ZsIydAwAJ

Apple forgot to test the iPhone X in the real world (i.e., cold weather)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IeKl9hEZzAE/tl_ZMLJACQAJ
etc.

The fact is that:
a. Apple products are never tested in the real world, because...
b. Even Apple clearly states that the real world is "not supported".

Apple products only work when the user is imprisoned inside the walled
garden - where - interestingly - the classic Apple user *loves* to be!