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Old December 15th 19, 05:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

The only use the
color cartridge saw was in the ink-wasting self-cleaning function
(which never seems to work, so it is paper towels, messy hands and
hours of time wasted)
that's *not* normal and indicates a defective printer.
I have seen it happen many times with many ink jet printers. It is the
normal thing to happen.

it's definitely *not* normal for a clean cycle to be messy, certainly
not requiring paper towels.

All it takes is for the waste reservoir to be full,
and for the owner to not realize there is such a thing :-)


it takes a *lot* of ink to saturate the waste pad, more than would be
generated in the lifecycle of the printer.

it's *not* normal for a clean cycle to make any sort of mess.


Well I can tell you that it happens, Had a Canon S900 that overfilled
its waste pad in about 2 years, I had to dismantle it and clean up the
mess and install a new diaper.
Got rid of that ink pig shortly after.


nobody said it never happens. if it does, it indicates something is
wrong. simple concept.

any time i've run a clean cycle, it makes its noises and that's the end
of that. no mess and no cleanup.
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Old December 15th 19, 06:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 15/12/2019 16:51:27, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-12-15 10:37 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Paul
wrote:

The only use the
color cartridge saw was in the ink-wasting self-cleaning function
(which never seems to work, so it is paper towels, messy hands and
hours of time wasted)
that's *not* normal and indicates a defective printer.
I have seen it happen many times with many ink jet printers. It is the
normal thing to happen.

it's definitely *not* normal for a clean cycle to be messy, certainly
not requiring paper towels.

All it takes is for the waste reservoir to be full,
and for the owner to not realize there is such a thing :-)


it takes a *lot* of ink to saturate the waste pad, more than would be
generated in the lifecycle of the printer.

it's *not* normal for a clean cycle to make any sort of mess.


Well I can tell you that it happens, Had a Canon S900 that overfilled its
waste pad in about 2 years, I had to dismantle it and clean up the mess and
install a new diaper.
Got rid of that ink pig shortly after.

Rene


Had the same happen with a HP Photosmart after 3 years.
The worst one was my neighbours Kodak, it was overflowing with ink
which was coming out of the casing onto her desk. The suction pipes
were all clogged up with thick tar like ink and the waste pad was
absolutely saturated.

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  #63  
Old December 15th 19, 06:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 10:47:48 -0500, nospam
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

The only use the
color cartridge saw was in the ink-wasting self-cleaning function
(which never seems to work, so it is paper towels, messy hands and
hours of time wasted)

that's *not* normal and indicates a defective printer.


I have seen it happen many times with many ink jet printers. It is the
normal thing to happen.


it's definitely *not* normal for a clean cycle to be messy, certainly
not requiring paper towels.


You misunderstood. The usual self-clean never seems to work THEN it
is a last resort.. paper towels and black fingers.

I thought you were saying that it isn't normal for an HP to insist on
having a full color cartridge in order to work at all even if you only
use/care/want black and white.

I inherited the HP when my Canon BW inkjet died. The Canon was a
dream to deal with compared to the HP. Since I use it for schematics
and print, I have no use for color.
  #64  
Old December 15th 19, 06:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 10:51:27 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2019-12-15 10:37 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Paul
wrote:

The only use the
color cartridge saw was in the ink-wasting self-cleaning function
(which never seems to work, so it is paper towels, messy hands and
hours of time wasted)
that's *not* normal and indicates a defective printer.
I have seen it happen many times with many ink jet printers. It is the
normal thing to happen.

it's definitely *not* normal for a clean cycle to be messy, certainly
not requiring paper towels.

All it takes is for the waste reservoir to be full,
and for the owner to not realize there is such a thing :-)


it takes a *lot* of ink to saturate the waste pad, more than would be
generated in the lifecycle of the printer.

it's *not* normal for a clean cycle to make any sort of mess.


Well I can tell you that it happens, Had a Canon S900 that overfilled
its waste pad in about 2 years, I had to dismantle it and clean up the
mess and install a new diaper.
Got rid of that ink pig shortly after.

Rene

My Canon did that, once in probably 7 years. Judging from the gunk
that I cleaned out of it, most of the ink probably evaporates and it
leaves the solids behind. If that's the case, the ambient temperature
and humidity may affect one's experience.
  #65  
Old December 15th 19, 07:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam wrote:

snip alternate universe

When are folks going to realize that nospam hails from an alternate
universe from the rest of us where whatever we directly experience just
"doesn't happen".

Idle and even non-idle inkjets have been clogging since the beginning.
It is a real issue. Been my experience since my first HP DeskJet 500c
nearly 30 years ago to my present OfficeJet, as I am sure as been all of
your experiences. It is especially true of thermal bubble jet type. It
is not an issue at all with a laser, fact.

No more flogging necessary, the horse is dead.

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  #66  
Old December 15th 19, 08:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 15/12/2019 19.21, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
nospam wrote:

snip alternate universe

When are folks going to realize that nospam hails from an alternate
universe from the rest of us where whatever we directly experience just
"doesn't happen".

Idle and even non-idle inkjets have been clogging since the beginning.
It is a real issue. Been my experience since my first HP DeskJet 500c
nearly 30 years ago to my present OfficeJet, as I am sure as been all of
your experiences. It is especially true of thermal bubble jet type. It
is not an issue at all with a laser, fact.


Of course. It may be better today than yesteryear, and it worse with
refills out of brand, but it is still an issue. The ink is a liquid, and
it has to dry. It dries fast on paper, has to. When it dries on the
head, the head stops working. It has to happen sooner or later.


No more flogging necessary, the horse is dead.


Yep.

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Cheers, Carlos.
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Old December 15th 19, 08:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , default
wrote:

The only use the
color cartridge saw was in the ink-wasting self-cleaning function
(which never seems to work, so it is paper towels, messy hands and
hours of time wasted)

that's *not* normal and indicates a defective printer.

I have seen it happen many times with many ink jet printers. It is the
normal thing to happen.


it's definitely *not* normal for a clean cycle to be messy, certainly
not requiring paper towels.


You misunderstood. The usual self-clean never seems to work THEN it
is a last resort.. paper towels and black fingers.


in other words, it's defective.

I thought you were saying that it isn't normal for an HP to insist on
having a full color cartridge in order to work at all even if you only
use/care/want black and white.


some printers require all colours to print b/w because it makes for
better blacks. others don't. for the former, it can usually be
disabled.

I inherited the HP when my Canon BW inkjet died. The Canon was a
dream to deal with compared to the HP. Since I use it for schematics
and print, I have no use for color.


hp inkjet printers are not great.

some printers support replacing the colour cartridge with a high
capacity black, but if you do that there's no going back to colour.
  #68  
Old December 15th 19, 08:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Carlos E.R.
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Of course. It may be better today than yesteryear, and it worse with
refills out of brand,


both very much true.

but it is still an issue.


not a significant one.

The ink is a liquid, and
it has to dry. It dries fast on paper, has to. When it dries on the
head, the head stops working. It has to happen sooner or later.


that depends on the printer.

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Old December 15th 19, 08:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Jonathan N. Little
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Idle and even non-idle inkjets have been clogging since the beginning.
It is a real issue. Been my experience since my first HP DeskJet 500c
nearly 30 years ago to my present OfficeJet, as I am sure as been all of
your experiences. It is especially true of thermal bubble jet type. It
is not an issue at all with a laser, fact.


technology has changed a *lot* since 30 years ago and continues to
change.

modern inkjet printers do not clog much, if at all.

hp inkjet printers in particular tend to clog more since the heads are
replaced when the ink is replaced, so there's little reason to design
it better.

another reason for clogs is not using genuine ink and not turning the
printer off when not in use so the heads park, both avoidable. this is
very important for pigment inks because the particle size *must* be
smaller than the ink jet.

i have two inkjet printers and the last clog was a couple of years ago.
it's not a significant issue anymore.
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Old December 15th 19, 10:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In message , Ken Blake
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On 12/14/2019 9:31 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
Well, I'm afraid I went for the Samsung CLP-775DN for 25 pounds with
assorted toners - colour, duplex (even booklets [yes I know that's the

[]
With the amount of printing I _do_ do, it'll probably be a long time
before I need toner. I _may_ look into refilling.



That looks like a great price--hard to turn down.

But it's huge. I don't think I would have room for it.


Yes, and 30.4 kg - I've come close to injuring myself moving it about!
(The book - and quick-start guide - say two people.) I had to clear off
the table my last-but-one inkjet (and lots of paper and other junk) was
on; it's on there now, and there it will stay!

Have you looked at the prices for replacement cartridges? They're very
high. I hope you're right that it will be a long time before you need
toner.

yes; that was what was putting me off (and actually what started this
thread; I was surprised that for all the models I looked at, the
cartridges for colour printers seemed to cost three to five times what
the cartridges for B/W printers do, even the black cartridge. Even a
refill kit will cost about what I paid for the printer. However, it
could well be a while before I need any. And the printer does give the
impression of being a good one.

(When I was at work [last but one employer], I was spoiled: we had
printers that would do double-sided, A3, colour, booklets, even staple
(though not all combinations - they wouldn't staple booklets, for
example). Those were floor-standing, big things like a photocopier
(actually they did that too, having a scanner) - I forget what make, Oki
or Kyocera I think. This machine has a similar feel (though it isn't A3
and doesn't have a scanner [but I have scanners - both flatbed and
mouse]).
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A waist is a terrible thing to mind.
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Old December 15th 19, 10:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In message , Carlos E.R.
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On 15/12/2019 05.31, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
kg!) moving it about, it seems to work well; bit light on the yellow,
but I'm probably not going to print a lot of pictures; on some
mixed-colour text, it is fine (and once warmed up, FAST - I printed 11
pages of a website, and they seemed to be coming out about one a second!).


Try a photo :-)


I just did; surprised how fast, considering it had put itself into
standby hours ago. Result rather dark overall - I'm obviously going to
have to play with it if I print many full-page photos; but to my
surprise the colour _balance_ looks fine, not obviously short of yellow
(it's of a mousetrap on my kitchen floor, which floor is light brown or
dark yellow).
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Old December 16th 19, 02:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2019-12-15 3:38 p.m., J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Carlos E.R.
writes:
On 15/12/2019 05.31, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
kg!) moving it about, it seems to work well; bit light on the yellow,
but I'm probably not going to print a lot of pictures; on some
mixed-colour text, it is fine (and once warmed up, FAST - I printed 11
pages of a website, and they seemed to be coming out about one a
second!).


Try a photo :-)


I just did; surprised how fast, considering it had put itself into
standby hours ago. Result rather dark overall - I'm obviously going to
have to play with it if I print many full-page photos; but to my
surprise the colour _balance_ looks fine, not obviously short of yellow
(it's of a mousetrap on my kitchen floor, which floor is light brown or
dark yellow).



while on the subject of photos.

IF you ever print photos on Glossy photo paper MAKE SURE it is LASER
quality photo paper and NOT INKJET photo paper.
Dire results will follow if this is not heeded. *Ruined Fuser).

Rene
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Old December 16th 19, 05:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-12-15 3:38 p.m., J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Carlos E.R.
writes:
On 15/12/2019 05.31, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
kg!) moving it about, it seems to work well; bit light on the yellow,
but I'm probably not going to print a lot of pictures; on some
mixed-colour text, it is fine (and once warmed up, FAST - I printed 11
pages of a website, and they seemed to be coming out about one a
second!).

Try a photo :-)


I just did; surprised how fast, considering it had put itself into
standby hours ago. Result rather dark overall - I'm obviously going to
have to play with it if I print many full-page photos; but to my
surprise the colour _balance_ looks fine, not obviously short of
yellow (it's of a mousetrap on my kitchen floor, which floor is light
brown or dark yellow).



while on the subject of photos.

IF you ever print photos on Glossy photo paper MAKE SURE it is LASER
quality photo paper and NOT INKJET photo paper.
Dire results will follow if this is not heeded. *Ruined Fuser).

Rene


Just like the two kinds of transparency overheads, and fusers.

The kind of transparency plastic you write on with a marker pen,
and project using an overhead projector, those *melt* onto the
fuser unit. What a mess.

Instead, there is a high temperature transparency plastic that
says "for xerox or laser print", where you can print black and
white slide overheads onto the plastic, and the plastic doesn't
melt when it hits the fuser. The fuser works as you would expect,
fusing the black particles to the plastic (smudge free).

With fusers, you have to make sure the media can take that
temperature.

Paul
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Old December 16th 19, 01:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[...] I was surprised that for all the models I looked at, the
cartridges for colour printers seemed to cost three to five times what
the cartridges for B/W printers do, even the black cartridge. Even a
refill kit will cost about what I paid for the printer. However, it
could well be a while before I need any. And the printer does give the
impression of being a good one.


It's because color are (generally) single-pass machines, drawing the
sheet under four consecutive transfer drums, before passing it under the
fuse roller.

So you have not only the cost of a toner cart, but also a (miniaturized)
transfer drum on each of the four cartridges (and support components,
like the corona wire). They're certainly expensive, but when you figure
you only need to replace them every 3 years (as opposed to what felt
like quarterly on my inkjets) ... well, that extra cost is pretty
minimal. (NOTE - 3 year estimate based on my recent replacement of the
original demo cartridges after about 2-3 years of printing. Don't tend
to print often, but when we do, it's stuff like datasheets).

I'd skip on refilling (toner is disgusting fine static-cling powder that
gets everywhere). Generic replacements can be hit-and-miss. I've only
used them in the B&W laser - you couldn't tell a difference. Not sure
I'd risk it with color.


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Old December 16th 19, 02:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 16/12/2019 02.20, Rene Lamontagne wrote:


while on the subject of photos.

IF you ever print photos on Glossy photo paper MAKE SURE it is LASER
quality photo paper and NOT INKJET¬* photo paper.
Dire results will follow if this is not heeded. *Ruined Fuser).


Good point.


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Cheers, Carlos.
 




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