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Old December 9th 19, 02:31 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 12/8/19 10:36 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/8/19 9:16 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 14:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2019-12-08, Char Jackson wrote:
It's not hard to tap, double tap, long tap, swipe up/down/left/right, and
those are just about all the things you need to master.

I don't have time for that crap. I loathe touch screens.


When I'm sitting in front of my computer and my phone is also within reach,
it's the phone that I reach for 9 times out of 10 because I get my answer
so much faster on the phone. I can type a word at a time rather than a
letter at a time, or better yet, I use voice input and don't have to type
anything at all. If you don't have time for that, you surely don't have
time for standard PC (kb, mouse) input.


Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for
a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've
tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands
available to the user.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did.


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  #227  
Old December 9th 19, 02:33 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 12/8/19 3:30 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote

| Isn't the graphics coding done by graphics card makers and not MS?
|
Good question. I don't really know. I would guess that
they do at least some. At one time it was left to Linux
people to write drivers for Linux, but I suppose someone
like ATI probably writes Windows drivers. So I don't
know how to explain the difference in display.


Based on what I've seen when installing an MS OS, MS writes a generic
driver so the computer will run, but the real drivers are written by the
card manufacturer.


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  #228  
Old December 9th 19, 02:38 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Ken Springer
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Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for
a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've
tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands
available to the user.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did.


don't keep everyone in suspense. explain what you were talking about.
  #229  
Old December 9th 19, 03:04 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 12/8/19 6:38 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for
a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've
tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands
available to the user.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did.


don't keep everyone in suspense. explain what you were talking about.


You're smart, you figure it out.


--
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  #230  
Old December 9th 19, 03:08 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 2019-12-08 7:25 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the
relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific pages.

Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not
being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't
stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing
the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again.

that's a stretch.


Well I have seen it happen, Back when I was building Manager of our
Convention Centre about 1978, We had a Honeywell Alpha 2000 computer As
the control center for our HVAC equipment, its output device was a
Teletype RO 35 impact printer, No glass monitor and it used tractor feed
fandfold paper which came in a 5000 sheet box cube.
You put a box on the floor behind the printer and let the output spill
out behind it to harvest each day.
One night I got a call from the Security staff that the printer had gone
Crazy and was spewing out piles of paper on the floor, Well I don't
drive so I called a cab and headed for work as fast as I could get there.
The printer Power supply was hard wired so no way for Security to pull
the plug.
By the time I got there and deactivated the printer the printer had
pulled through nearly half a box of fanfold paper and spewed it on the
floor, The printer was not printing, just feeding paper.
Next day I pulled it apart and found it had stripped one of its dog
clutches and let that shaft spin forever.
I replaced it with a Dot matrix Centronics 761 serial printer and had to
design a 20 ma to serial interface circuit. for it

that you need to go back 41 years to find an instance of it happening,
on a computer and peripherals that are no longer made, is very clear
evidence that it's not at all common.


I'm sure its not common,


exactly the point i was making.

I don't see many teletype RO 35 printers
hanging around much anymore, Not to mention Teletype ASR 33s, or
Interdata 7/16 computers with magnetic core memory or Honeywell Alpha
2000s, Need I go on? :-)


that's up to you.


Ah, those were the good old days, with so much exciting new stuff to
learn and work with. I started on computers in 1975. :-)

Rene
  #231  
Old December 9th 19, 03:40 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Carlos E.R." wrote

| Though I think your Spanish ANSI would
| probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the
| English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to
| use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages.
|
| Not in the ANSI, it is in the IBMPC charset, 437. A bit different.
|

Chr 209 and 241 in English codepage are N and n
with tilde.


  #232  
Old December 9th 19, 03:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Paul" wrote

| Though I think your Spanish ANSI would
| probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the
| English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to
| use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages.
|
| That's because "we English" pave over the language of
| other people. That's how, magically, everything we
| type "can be represented in ASCII".

No. What I mean is that the basic English codepage includes
most Euro characters in the 128+ range.

|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...critical_marks
|
| "French à propos, which lost both the accent and
| space to become English "apropos"
|

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing I hate more then people
who say naiveTAY (naivete) when there's a perfectly
official word in English: naivety. There's nothing wrong
with adopting words. Languages change. I think Americans
are actually too much prone to respect the foreign language.
So we say garAHZHE in the French way, while the Brits
import the word without shame to be GARage.

I remember seeing an article years ago about the French
fretting over adaptation of English Americanisms. Some
were very upset that "le hamburger" was becoming popular.
Which is somewhat ironic. My understanding was that
hambeurger and frankfort were meant to insult the Germans
by naming our very cheapest meats after their cities. Yet
here were the French, who we helped save from the Germans,
complaining that the words were being imported.

| We see mention that "jalapeno" is actually "jalapeño".
|
The problem there is that it's an obscure task to enter
those characters. That's part of why UTF-8 makes so little
sense outside of webpages. I'm not going to go figure out
how to enter n with tilde, regardless of whether it's ANSI
or UTF-8. I know how to pronounce jalapeno.

Remember the croissant debacle in the 80s? Everyone
was eating croissants and no one knew how to
pronounce it. It became crussAHNT. To try to say it
like the French sounded pretentious. And anyway, the
French probably pronounced it right centuries ago,
before they let their language go flimsy and started
dropping out consonants.


  #233  
Old December 9th 19, 04:50 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 09/12/2019 03.40, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| Though I think your Spanish ANSI would
| probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the
| English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to
| use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages.
|
| Not in the ANSI, it is in the IBMPC charset, 437. A bit different.
|

Chr 209 and 241 in English codepage are N and n
with tilde.


I'm not saying that. I say that the so called ANSI that contains some
European chars is not ANSI, but the IBM-PC version of it, charset 437,
with 8 bits.


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  #234  
Old December 9th 19, 04:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 09/12/2019 01.33, Paul wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| You can see that my post was sent in utf-8 (not my personal doing), and
| you had no issue reading it and answering :-) although I'm unsure what
| your client used.
|

Â*Â*Â* That's only because the text is ASCII. It's officially
UTF-8, but there are no bytes other than ASCII. I can
see how UTF-8 makes sense for you, though. If you
send UTF-8 in Spanish then everyone can read it. If
you use ANSI then there will probably be corrupt
characters on non-Euro systems. By contrast, my ASCII
English is also compliant UTF-8.

Â* Though I think your Spanish ANSI would
probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the
English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to
use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages.


That's because "we English" pave over the language of
other people. That's how, magically, everything we
type "can be represented in ASCII".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...critical_marks

Â*Â* "French Ã* propos, which lost both the accent and
Â*Â* space to become English "apropos"

*******

We see mention that "jalapeno" is actually "jalapeño".

But when I checked the Wikipedia article, habanero
is magically an "all English thing". How curious.
I did not know the English invented such a hot
pepper on the Scoville scale, all by themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habanero

I have to find a dictionary article, to see that
"alternately, habañero".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/habanero

Your computer is now "juiced up" so that you can
receive a manuscript from your publisher, copy and
paste it into your computer, *without* losing that
jazz that is all over the place. If there is an em-dash
in your manuscript, the computer preserves it. Such
wasn't always the case. Try typing "habañero" on
a punch card terminal. There was a time when
we used to revel in the stinginess of the implementation.
(The university mainframe with the "60 bit words"
holding "ten 6 bit characters" - we were so cheap back
then, not even 7 bit ASCII was supported.)


Thanks :-)

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  #235  
Old December 9th 19, 05:03 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 09/12/2019 00.03, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


....

you're also ignoring that software distribution is almost entirely
online, so if they can manage to get various apps, they can get help
for it as well, should it even be needed, which is not a given.

this.

if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the
relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific pages.


Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not
being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't
stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing
the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again.


that's a stretch.


It happened to me, actually. Took me a way to find where the printer
spooler was and could reset it. Windows 3 or 95 perhaps, I don't remember.

Somebody had designed the system so that if the printer failed, on power
up it would resume printing on the same page it had stopped.

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Cheers, Carlos.
  #236  
Old December 9th 19, 05:10 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 09/12/2019 02.00, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-12-08 6:41 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the
relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific
pages.

Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not
being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they
can't
stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing
the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again.

that's a stretch.


Well I have seen it happen, Back when I was building Manager of our
Convention Centre about 1978, We had a Honeywell Alpha 2000 computer As
the control center for our HVAC equipment, its output device was a
Teletype RO 35 impact printer, No glass monitor and it used tractor feed
Â*Â* fandfold paper which came in a 5000 sheet box cube.
You put a box on the floor behind the printer and let the output spill
out behind it to harvest each day.
One night I got a call from the Security staff that the printer had gone
Crazy and was spewing out piles of paper on the floor, Well I don't
drive so I called a cab and headed for work as fast as I could get
there.
The printer Power supply was hard wired so no way for Security to pull
the plug.
By the time I got there and deactivated the printer the printer had
pulled through nearly half a box of fanfold paper and spewed it on the
floor, The printer was not printing, just feeding paper.
Next day I pulled it apart and found it had stripped one of its dog
clutches and let that shaft spin forever.
I replaced it with a Dot matrix Centronics 761 serial printer and had to
design a 20 ma to serial interface circuit. for it


that you need to go back 41 years to find an instance of it happening,
on a computer and peripherals that are no longer made, is very clear
evidence that it's not at all common.


I'm sure its not common, I don't see many teletype RO 35 printers
hanging around much anymore, Not to mention Teletype ASR 33s, or
Interdata 7/16 computers with magnetic core memory or Honeywell Alpha
2000s, Need I go on? :-)


Oh, there were also office "jokes". Send someone a job to print with a
thousand page feeds and nothing else. Maybe a char, to spoil the page.

Or an error that sent the wrong language to a printer. The printer could
not understand it and started printing binary. When the binary happens
to be a feed page, well, it went to the next page. And it printed fast,
top speed because it was "text", no graphic escape codes.

I has happened more than once to me or to people near me. I just hope it
doesn't happen to one of those I installed the computer for and they
don't understand the computer. That 25%. Those that understand computers
do not ask other people to do the installation for them, so those I get
to to know are those with problems.

Like people that call me to extract the photos from the camera or phone,
because the camera is full and refuses to take more photos. They always
see the photos on the phone or camera.

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  #237  
Old December 9th 19, 05:15 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


I don't see many teletype RO 35 printers
hanging around much anymore, Not to mention Teletype ASR 33s, or
Interdata 7/16 computers with magnetic core memory or Honeywell Alpha
2000s, Need I go on? :-)


that's up to you.


Ah, those were the good old days, with so much exciting new stuff to
learn and work with. I started on computers in 1975. :-)


that hasn't changed. in fact, now there's much *more* exciting new
stuff to learn and work with, things that people could never have
imagined back then.
  #238  
Old December 9th 19, 05:15 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for
a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've
tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands
available to the user.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did.


don't keep everyone in suspense. explain what you were talking about.


You're smart, you figure it out.


i'm not interested in playing your games.
  #239  
Old December 9th 19, 05:15 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not
being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't
stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing
the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again.


that's a stretch.


It happened to me, actually. Took me a way to find where the printer
spooler was and could reset it. Windows 3 or 95 perhaps, I don't remember.


once in 25 years, not exactly a major issue. as i said, it's a stretch.

Somebody had designed the system so that if the printer failed, on power
up it would resume printing on the same page it had stopped.


that's a desirable feature.
  #240  
Old December 9th 19, 05:46 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 12/8/19 9:15 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for
a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've
tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands
available to the user.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did.

don't keep everyone in suspense. explain what you were talking about.


You're smart, you figure it out.


i'm not interested in playing your games.


Nor I, yours.


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