7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite — 2019 Edition

In article , Zaghadka
wrote:

(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)

that's a valid character in a subject or body.

you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 20:09:56 +0000, David
wrote:

We don't know, and I don't care.* LOL* I'd move on to more constructive
things.

Hello Ken

I don't really expect you to care but I *DO* appreciate you taking a
look and reporting back with the facts.

Now you're just ****ing everyone off.
Your question was not freeware or windows related. And had
absolutely nothing to do with the thread YOU started.
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BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

63 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:12:53 +0000, David
wrote:

Early yesterday morning, my not-so-young neighbour called and asked if
it was OK to pop round to see me. I agreed.

The thread you started was about office suits, not your
neighbor and whatever PERSONAL problems he might have.

So write a review of the Office Suits you tried. IN YOUR OWN
WORDS.
You didn't even read the article, did you?

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

63 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
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On 12/5/19 6:54 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"Nicodemus" wrote

| First thing get off w10 and ditch that microsoft habit, the internet will
| survive without microsoft

The Internet will but business won't. It's the same
with Adobe. The two companies have such successful
monopolies that their overpaying customers hardly even
know that they're using the products. In business there
are no other products.

I would say the size of the business will factor in too. There are lots
of small businesses that do not need or user that inter-connectivity to
operate their businesses. And, many times, people use PDF files these days.

The woman I live with supervises grade-school teacher
trainees. Everyone wants to send her Google docs. Which
is not a doc but a spyware website. She insists on a file.
They send MSO X-files. She has MSO 2000 and Libre Office.
So she needs LO for most things. These people don't
understand how to save a docx as doc. Last night and
this morning she struggled to remove the background
colors (ink waste!) from a techer's schedule table made
as a PPTX and then print it. Various problems came up.
Finally the solution was to export as PDF. (Not SaveAs,
mind you. The OSS people have a religious dictum that
all program menus must have a File - Export item where
all useful file formats are hidden, breaking decades of
software menu tradition over format arrogance.)

This is an example of user ignorance that just drives me up the wall.

It was no small project. LO couldn't handle printing what
it was showing. The woman who sent the PPTX probably has
no idea it's a PPTX. She just took some course on how to
appear as an official office person with official office person
skills. (And apparently she has HP stock. Her giant, multi-page
schedule table has different color backrounds in each cell.

So if you think MS and Adobe are going to collapse then
you'll have to start by telling millions of people who work
in offices and graphics shops what Microsoft and Adobe are.
They really don't know. Most don't even know they're using
Windows. (They do know if they're using Mac but that's only
because they paid twice what it's worth to show off the logo.)

Having the active spread across the entire widescreen monitor also dries
me up the wall.

| you must endure for the best
| is yet to come.
|

Oh? What would that be? The massively bloated LO that
can't install only one program, no longer supports XP,
includes Java crap, uses about 1/2 GB of disk space and
still can't support MSO files properly? Or are you perhaps
thinking of the 25 year old GIMP that's still not worth
wrestling with and last time I checked still didn't have a
real MDI GUI workspace?

OSS will never reach maturity until it has a reason beyond
geeks who want to impress their friends with their coding
prowess and resentment of Microsoft. Jealousy is not a
good motive for creating good software.

And top quality OSS will never come from people who
subscribe to the myth of cross-platform compatibility. If you
can't write it in native code then let someone else do it.
Don't try to fudge it with gobs of Java, Python, and
god-knows-what-else that don't really work.




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Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 12/5/19 7:27 AM, nospam wrote:
there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(

--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(

that does happen, but more commonly, a pdf is available for download
and/or distributed to the students via email.

On 12/5/19 9:12 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(

that does happen, but more commonly, a pdf is available for download
and/or distributed to the students via email.

Which, is just your opinion as to how everyone does it.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:07:22 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/5/19 6:54 AM, Mayayana wrote:
So if you think MS and Adobe are going to collapse then
you'll have to start by telling millions of people who work
in offices and graphics shops what Microsoft and Adobe are.
They really don't know. Most don't even know they're using
Windows. (They do know if they're using Mac but that's only
because they paid twice what it's worth to show off the logo.)

Having the active spread across the entire widescreen monitor also dries
me up the wall.

Then why do it? I assume you're speaking of your own behavior, since
other's behavior wouldn't be up to you. If you don't like it, don't do it
that way.

As for me, almost everything gets run full screen. I find it very
distracting to have multiple windows partially overlaid atop one another,
but I wouldn't tell anyone to do it one way or another. It's an individual
decision.

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(

that does happen, but more commonly, a pdf is available for download
and/or distributed to the students via email.

Which, is just your opinion as to how everyone does it.

no, it's what actually happens in secondary schools, universities and
industry conferences.

it's a *lot* cheaper and a lot less waste versus printing.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:08:50 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/5/19 7:27 AM, nospam wrote:
there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(

I'm not sure that's in any way unfortunate. There's always someone who
missed the presentation or someone who wants to archive the topics of
discussion. The printed presentation is fine for those purposes. At a
minimum, it can serve as the basis for follow-up questions.

What else would you prefer?

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(

I'm not sure that's in any way unfortunate. There's always someone who
missed the presentation or someone who wants to archive the topics of
discussion. The printed presentation is fine for those purposes. At a
minimum, it can serve as the basis for follow-up questions.

What else would you prefer?

a folder of pdfs from various seminars/classes/etc. rather than a stack
of paper, making it trivial to search for a specific event or a slide
within a presentation.

On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 10:38:11 +0000, Mick Finnlay
wrote:


I am amazed that nobody so far has mentioned SoftMaker and their free
(yes, real FREEWARE!) FreeOffice: https://www.freeoffice.com/en/

I have installed SoftMaker FreeOffice on a few PCs in my neighbourhood
and the folks are very happy with it.

For myself, I have been using SoftMaker Office since 2008 and have
upgraded regularly to SoftMaker Office 2018. I had previously used
WordPerfect since early 1990s but decided that is was too expensive
for what I now required and I have been very satisfied with SoftMaker
Office.

On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, nospam
wrote:

In article , Zaghadka
wrote:

(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)

that's a valid character in a subject or body.

you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.

My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September
chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I
meant "news servers."

They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 21:50:01 +0000, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, David
wrote:

According to the article .....

Here are the MS Office alternatives at a glance:

Google Docs
LibreOffice
Office Online
Apple iWork
WPS Office
Calligra Office
DropBox Paper

Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/

Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would
you suggest Open Office? https://www.openoffice.org

TIA

Lets see if this posts on this server.

On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:40:27 -0600, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Zaghadka
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, nospam
wrote:

In article , Zaghadka
wrote:

(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)

that's a valid character in a subject or body.

you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.

My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September
chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I
meant "news servers."

They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle.

Confirmed. Eternal September would probably use UUCP too, if any current
newsreader still supported it.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten