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  #46  
Old December 6th 19, 08:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, nospam
wrote:

In article , Zaghadka
wrote:

(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)

that's a valid character in a subject or body.

you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.


My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September
chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I
meant "news servers."

They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle.


That rule on E-S, exists to stop a single user from messing around :-)

That user has even visited this group, so I won't be naming names.

Paul
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  #47  
Old December 6th 19, 08:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:01:31 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Paul
wrote:

Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, nospam
wrote:

In article , Zaghadka
wrote:

(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)
that's a valid character in a subject or body.

you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.


My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September
chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I
meant "news servers."

They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle.


That rule on E-S, exists to stop a single user from messing around :-)

That user has even visited this group, so I won't be naming names.

LOL. Thank you for that nugget, Paul.

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  #48  
Old December 6th 19, 08:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:01:31 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Paul
wrote:

Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, nospam
wrote:

In article , Zaghadka
wrote:

(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)
that's a valid character in a subject or body.

you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.


My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September
chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I
meant "news servers."

They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle.


That rule on E-S, exists to stop a single user from messing around :-)

That user has even visited this group, so I won't be naming names.

Paul


My email is valid, unlike a lot of people these days on Usenet. Tell me
more, LOL. ;^)

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spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten
  #49  
Old December 6th 19, 08:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Zaghadka wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:01:31 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Paul
wrote:
That rule on E-S, exists to stop a single user from messing around :-)

That user has even visited this group, so I won't be naming names.

LOL. Thank you for that nugget, Paul.


And by messing around, I mean, making a nuisance
of themselves. The individual is an active promoter
of "HTML everywhere" for example, even though few group
charters allow that (microsoft.*). The gentleman is a
wizard with fonts.

Paul
  #50  
Old December 6th 19, 08:17 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:02:48 -0500, nospam wrote:

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(


I'm not sure that's in any way unfortunate. There's always someone who
missed the presentation or someone who wants to archive the topics of
discussion. The printed presentation is fine for those purposes. At a
minimum, it can serve as the basis for follow-up questions.

What else would you prefer?


a folder of pdfs from various seminars/classes/etc. rather than a stack
of paper, making it trivial to search for a specific event or a slide
within a presentation.


"class notes that are passed out" can certainly be via pdf. I'm fine with
that. I was just commenting on the fact that the thing that gets passed out
is essentially the presentation slides, whether they be in paper or
electronic form. Personally, I greatly prefer electronic form. I see that
my previous reply wasn't clear in that regard.

  #51  
Old December 6th 19, 08:31 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Imhothep wrote:

[ Subject line edit... ]

Lets see if this posts on this server.


There are lots of things you can do, and
here are a few examples. Yours is at the top
of the picture.

https://i.postimg.cc/k44J36BL/escape-sequences.gif

Now, when I try to post this, mine should be blocked.

Paul
  #52  
Old December 6th 19, 08:36 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Imhothep wrote:


Lets see if this posts on this server.


I'll try switching my charset to UTF-8,
maybe that will re-code the Subject line for me.

Paul

  #53  
Old December 6th 19, 08:41 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Paul wrote:
Imhothep wrote:


Lets see if this posts on this server.


I'll try switching my charset to UTF-8,
maybe that will re-code the Subject line for me.

Paul


That got me this as a Subject line.

Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IDcgQmVzdCBBbHRlcm5hdGl2ZXMgVG8gTWljcm9zb2 Z0IE9mZmk=?=
=?UTF-8?B?Y2UgU3VpdGUg4oCUIDIwMTkgRWRpdGlvbg==?=

Versus the original post, which looks like

Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?7_Best_Alternatives_To_Microsoft_Office_Suite_ =e2=80=94_2?=
=?UTF-8?Q?019_Edition?=

I guess there's something to be said for not
re-encoding something too many times.

There's no guarantee that even if I copied the original
subject string into a new post, the encoding would
stay put.

Paul
  #54  
Old December 6th 19, 09:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.freeware
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nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(

that does happen, but more commonly, a pdf is available for download
and/or distributed to the students via email.


Which, is just your opinion as to how everyone does it.


no, it's what actually happens in secondary schools, universities and
industry conferences.


Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

What a blinkered life you lead! Not even close to reality. I work at
university and attend many conferences. What you state is not the norm. At
best you can request for the presenter's slides, but there's no guarantee
you'll get them.

it's a *lot* cheaper and a lot less waste versus printing.


True. Teachers and lectures are heavily time pressured, however, so they
either won't make handouts available at all or just make the ppt slides
available. They will not bother exporting them.

  #55  
Old December 6th 19, 09:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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malone wrote:
On 5-Dec-2019 10:50 am, David wrote:
According to the article .....

Here are the MS Office alternatives at a glance:

Google Docs
LibreOffice
Office Online
Apple iWork
WPS Office
Calligra Office
DropBox Paper

Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/

Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would
you suggest Open Office?* https://www.openoffice.org

TIA


I'm trapped.

Even with my limited knowledge of Visual Basic for Applications I find
that my extensive use of macros is absolutely essential in order to
maximise my productivity. I have over 20 years worth of macros for Excel
and Word which I rely on.

None of the applications listed above can deal with Microsoft VBA so I
have no choice.


Oh the beauty of lock-in. I have a colleague like that with excel. I'm
trying to get him to learn R but it's a struggle. He sees the benefit, but
can't undo his excel knowledge.

I'm in the process of weaning myself off word to Markdown + git. That way
i can produce any version of document i want via pandoc and have proper
version control rather than word's "track changes" shambles. I'm still
trying to work out the best way to share and collaborate with Word
diehards.

  #56  
Old December 6th 19, 02:46 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Zaghadka" wrote

| you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.
|
| My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September
| chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I
| meant "news servers."
|
| They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle.

This is a perfect example of ignorance in using computers.

There's no need to use a long UTF-8 dash. There isn't even
a keyboard button for it. UTF-8 is meant to handle
internationalization. It's fine for foreign languages in HTML.
But people using long dashes and curly braces restrict
adaptability for no reason. ASCII is valid UTF-8 but UTF-8
is not ASCII.

It's exactly the same thing people are talking about
with Powerpoint. People use it because it's what they
know, and often it's all they know. They don't realize that
some others use their computer for something other than
Word and Powerpoint. If they distribute class notes, that
could be in the form of plain text, for adaptability and
editability. Why don't they? Because they don't know what
they're doing and PPT looks more official. And why PDF?
Again, it's idiocy born of ignorance and trying to look
official. PDF is for precise printing. If I get notes from a
class I'd want to be able to edit them. The first thing I'd
do would be to convert them to plain text. But many
people won't know how to do that and/or won't have
software to do it.



  #57  
Old December 6th 19, 02:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Chris" wrote

| None of the applications listed above can deal with Microsoft VBA so I
| have no choice.
|
| Oh the beauty of lock-in.

To be fair, I wouldn't call that lock-in. They promote lock-in
with their proprietary format, their incompatibility between
versions, and their aggressive pushing of MSO to college
students. Those factors have made MSO one of Microsoft's
very few successes. Essentially they're in the business of
monopoly, not software or services. But VBA is a brilliant
addition, and no one has to use it. The people who do are
generally people who do much of their job with MSO.


  #58  
Old December 6th 19, 02:57 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 12/5/19 9:54 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:08:50 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/5/19 7:27 AM, nospam wrote:
there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.


Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(


I'm not sure that's in any way unfortunate. There's always someone who
missed the presentation or someone who wants to archive the topics of
discussion. The printed presentation is fine for those purposes. At a
minimum, it can serve as the basis for follow-up questions.

What else would you prefer?


So much depends on the person doing the presentation. I've been to many
where all the presenter does is read the text from the slide. If that's
all they do, then why are you there?

I would prefer the presenter use the information from the slide as a
basis, a foundation, to present additional information, as you stated.
But, many don't. :-(



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  #59  
Old December 6th 19, 02:58 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 12/6/19 12:17 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:02:48 -0500, nospam wrote:

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the
class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are
watching. :-(

I'm not sure that's in any way unfortunate. There's always someone who
missed the presentation or someone who wants to archive the topics of
discussion. The printed presentation is fine for those purposes. At a
minimum, it can serve as the basis for follow-up questions.

What else would you prefer?


a folder of pdfs from various seminars/classes/etc. rather than a stack
of paper, making it trivial to search for a specific event or a slide
within a presentation.


"class notes that are passed out" can certainly be via pdf. I'm fine with
that. I was just commenting on the fact that the thing that gets passed out
is essentially the presentation slides, whether they be in paper or
electronic form. Personally, I greatly prefer electronic form. I see that
my previous reply wasn't clear in that regard.


For many, or at least some, paper provides more options for
reading/reviewing than an electronic file.

Provide both. :-)


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  #60  
Old December 6th 19, 03:12 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Ken Springer" wrote

Are you having trouble with your newsreader? You
just made 3 responses to what I wrote and I can't
decipher any connection between my words and yours.


 




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