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Will WindozeUpdate still function for XP after April?
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Will WindozeUpdate still function for XP after April?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co writes: XP Guy" "XP wrote: Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't seem to contain my question. Which is - Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates after the official EOL date? For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years. Has there been any word what will happen with XP? And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft - and for how much longer? Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday? Well, if you're aka 98 Guy, you could just choose to stick with 98. :-) I don't think anybody is forcing anybody to do anything, unless you feel the need to have all the "updates". And afaik, after that date you won't be able to get them from the MS servers. I think that's the point of the notice, n'est pas?. Not quite: what they're stopping is any new enhancements or bugfixes: if anyone finds any new bug, including security hole, it won't be fixed after that date. Current consensus is that you'll still be able to get already-created updates for some while at least. Yeah, I got that after reading that one article, so thanks for the correction. Maybe someday someone could put all the patches together on a convenient DVD and make it available for a nominal fee, although I expect this might be problematic due to legal reasons, unfortunately. (it would only contain all the updates and patches, and could refuse to install if one didn't already have a copy of XP on their system) |
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Will WindozeUpdate still function for XP after April?
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:57:15 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote: I am reminded of the Dylan song phrase, "the times, they-are-a-changin". :-) And not necessarily for the better. I'm with you on a lot of your points, and have similar sentiments. But I hope you will someday come to like XP a bit better, as I finally did. I'm not sure which things about XP stilll are so off putting for you, though, and maybe there are some workarounds for that. One thing I did was replace the Windows File Search with Agent Ransack, for example. I like thing simple too. "Less is More" is often my maxim. :-) The main thing I DONT like about XP is all the useless clutter. I set it to Classic mode, yet when I click on any drive letter in My Computer, I get all this crap on the left like Tasks, Folders, whatever. I dont have that computer turned on right now, but to me stuff like that is very distracting. I like a plain list of files and nothing more, (like I get in W98). There are other similar things, but I cant think of them now. I've tried all day to make those drive letters open as a simple list of files adn folders and have no idea how. W98 was simple, which is how I like things. W2K was not too bad, but XP has far too much bloated crap. It's not easy to get rid of much of it either. It's just like the software I use, most of it goes back to the late 90s and early 00s. For example, Paint Shop Pro. I like version 3.x best. That's really old. The new vers load real slow because they install all sorts of extra stuff, and are too complicated to use. And I'm quite good at graphic editing, given a SIMPLE program. |
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:46:37 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote: I've briefly looked at Adobe Photoshop, running on someone else's computer, and it's way overkill for what I need. If you want to talk about bloated, some of the Adobe apps like that one really take the cake. But like you, I generally like the older editions of many software packages - older, before they added all the extra crapola. I have Photoshop 5. The only reason I have that is because I bought it at a garage sale for a buck or two. That goes back to 1998 or so. To me, that thing is too bloated. I rarely use it. I like Paint Shop pro better. I'd hate to see all the crap added to Photoshop now. The way I figure it, the only reason they add all that stuff, is because there is nothing else to upgrade, and they want to keep selling the product. It seems the young generation wants every bell and whistle, in everything. They buy a new cellphone everytime there's a new version. But I've seen a lot of them not know how to use most of the features. This reminds me of some years ago, I was in the construction business. Some guy wanted to build a bedroom in his unfinished attic. He went out and bought an air compressor and several air powered nail guns and other tools. Then he went to work, only to find that the compressor would run out of air about every ten nails, so he returned the compressor and bought a real big one. But it was too heavy to carry to the attic. So he put it in his garage, ran about 150 feet of air hose to the attic, but the compressor kept blowing breakers in the garage, and every 10 minutes he had to go downstairs to the garage to reset the breaker. So, he rewired the garage. By now, he's 3 months behind on the attic bedroom, he spent thousands of dollars on the tools and garage wiring, and he finally goes to use all this stuff, and shoots a air-nail in his hand. I knew the guy, I had seen this all going on, and many times I told him to just use a plain hammer. Nope, he needed all these gadgets. The funny part is that I was in business doing construction and still used a hammer, but this guy buys al this stuff just to build a small room. So, abiout this time, the preson who was supposed to move into that bedroom comes home from college, and no bedroom. That's when he called me to come build the bedroom for him. He hands me all these air tools, and I find them a pain in the ass to use. The big nailer either drove the nails right thru a 2x4, or they did not go in far enough. That means running down to the garage 20 or more times to adjust the air pressure. A full day was wasted with that. I finally grabbed my hammer and began building it by hand, but all he had were those air nails. I told him to go buy some regular nails, but he refused. He said he spent too much on the job already and cant afford to buy more nails. Plus, he said he INSISTS that I use the air tools. That's when I got real fed up wit hthe whoel thing, and also knew I was not gonna get paid either, so I told him I was too busy to help him with that job for at least a month, and to find someone else. I later heard he hired some illegals (from mexico), to do the job and they really made a mess of it, but did build something that looked like a bedroom none the less. |
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How long Will WindozeUpdate and license validation function for XP after April?
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:20:09 -0400, XP Guy wrote:
There is precedent for the update server to no longer supply or be functional for one or two of their products, as WindowsUpdate went dark for win-98 I think 2 years after win98 EOL. I don't know what happened for Win-2k in that regard - I presume that WindowsUpdate service no longer functions for win2k - correct? But in any case, it came as a surprise when the update service failed for win-98. I've read a new post somewhere in Windows XP newsgroup a few months ago. One Windows 2000 user said that the auto update server is still working. Even if the Windows XP auto update server has stopped working, you can still do a manual update. Microsoft already provide a DVD ISO that contains security updates up until March 11th 2014. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086 Newer updates if any, won't be that many and troublesome for manual downloads. |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:03:08 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , writes: [] I dont really believe this, but I do believe the other story I heard. On April 8, Bill Gates is going to go to every home and business in America, and format the hard drive of anyone using XP. ... OK by me - I'm not in America ... (-: He'll do America on April 8, Europe on April 9, and so on..... He'll get you too...... |
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 00:34:33 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: 1. Click the "folders" button in your toolbar (the row of icons below "File Edit ...") to turn the left pane back to a tree view. If you don't have a folders button, right-click in an empty part of the toolbar, choose Customise, and add it. 2. Make shortcuts with target lines like %windir%\explorer.exe /e, D:\ - this will always open (D:\ in this case) with the tree pane on the left. 3. When given a choice, always choose "Explore" rather than "Open". (You aren't always offered the choice.) [] Thanks - This does work, but what I really want to do is completely remove that left part. Again, it's just more screen clutter. I'm used to just seeing the RIGHT PANE (list of files and folders), when I am using Win98. And for that matter, my other XP computer does not view this way, (which has a Fat32 format). Is this a NTFS specific view? It's just like the software I use, most of it goes back to the late 90s and early 00s. For example, Paint Shop Pro. I like version 3.x best. That's really old. The new vers load real slow because they install all sorts of extra stuff, and are too complicated to use. And I'm quite good at graphic editing, given a SIMPLE program. I know someone who still uses CorelDraw 3. I used to use Paint Shop Pro for its clone brush feature, and always used an earlier version - either 5 or 6, I can't remember - only using 6 (or 7) on the rare occasions when I had an image too big for the earlier version to open. But since IrfanView gained a clone brush (as part of the Paint toolbox that was added so quietly that it was some IV editions before I realised it was there!), I haven't opened PSP for years (not even sure I've got it on here). 2 I remember Corel Draw, I had it installed on Windows 3. I neevr used it much, even back then I liked PSP. I never knew IrfanView was a picture editor. I thought it was just a picture viewer. For viewing, I'm still using AcdSee 2.x which came out about the same time Win98 did. I'm still running the same installation of Win98 that I installed in 98 or 99, so much of the software is the same. If it works, I dont upgrade. I do recall trying a newer version and remember the newer versions are bloated and take too long to load. |
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How long Will WindozeUpdate and license validation function for XP after April?
JJ wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:20:09 -0400, XP Guy wrote: There is precedent for the update server to no longer supply or be functional for one or two of their products, as WindowsUpdate went dark for win-98 I think 2 years after win98 EOL. I don't know what happened for Win-2k in that regard - I presume that WindowsUpdate service no longer functions for win2k - correct? But in any case, it came as a surprise when the update service failed for win-98. I've read a new post somewhere in Windows XP newsgroup a few months ago. One Windows 2000 user said that the auto update server is still working. Even if the Windows XP auto update server has stopped working, you can still do a manual update. Microsoft already provide a DVD ISO that contains security updates up until March 11th 2014. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086 Newer updates if any, won't be that many and troublesome for manual downloads. It appears to me looking at that site that the ISO only contains the updates released that month. Do you know otherwise? |
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How long Will WindozeUpdate and license validation function forXP after April?
On 30/03/2014 07:46, JJ wrote:
Even if the Windows XP auto update server has stopped working, you can still do a manual update. Microsoft already provide a DVD ISO that contains security updates up until March 11th 2014. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086 Newer updates if any, won't be that many and troublesome for manual downloads. You mean to say ISOs for monthly updates. They are not cumulative so you need to download all the ISOs since SP3 was released. If anybody continues to insist using XP then updates are of no relevance because any time after May 2014, the XP machines would be a weak-link anyway because no new updates would be released for it. |
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How long Will WindozeUpdate and license validation function forXPafter April?
Good Guy wrote:
any time after May 2014 the XP machines would be a weak-link anyway because no new updates would be released for it. Aside from being tricked into clicking on a spam attachment and running trojan-dropper code, it's probably been the case for a few years now that the average home and soho XP system is hacked via a vulnerability in some Adobe product (flash or acrobat) or a vulnerability in the browser (Firefox, chrome, etc). For XP users that use primarily IE, then yes, WindozeUpdate fixes for IE are useful. But for XP users that don't touch IE but use some other browser, then it's not likely that any Windozeupdates to come down the pipe over the last couple of years has actually patched a vulnerability that would have been of any benefit to that system. In other words, IE patches aside, WindozeUpdates for XP is largely irrelavent and has been for the past 2 or 3 years, because the typical home/soho system is hacked either by running a malicious spam attachment or through a weakness in a Mozilla or Adobe product. |
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How long Will WindozeUpdate and license validation function forXPafter April?
XP Guy wrote:
In other words, IE patches aside, WindozeUpdates for XP is largely irrelavent and has been for the past 2 or 3 years, because the typical home/soho system is hacked either by running a malicious spam attachment or through a weakness in a Mozilla or Adobe product. Add Sun (Oriface) Java to that relatively short list. |
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