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Old May 26th 15, 03:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

I have a Dell Dimension 8200 (Seagate Barracuda 7200 HD 160GB)
with XP, SP3, Spywareblaster, Avast, Malwarebytes, Malwarebytes
Anti-Exploit and Windows Firewall.

I'm trying to create a bootable rescue disk with Macrium but I
seem to be doing something wrong.

In the first place I had to download a newer version of Macrium.

I clicked on the top left to create the bootable disk, but then
not sure whether I should use PE 3.1 or PE 4.0 since I had to
upgrade macrium. I selected PE 3.1 and then clicked rebuild and
the following screens appeared:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2ijk7xd.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/oiy5vn.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/xap4j7.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2gt2lcn.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/ymh5e.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/34sldlc.jpg

If I selected PE 4.0 I get this:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2n9l280.jpg

Thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks,
Robert





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Old May 26th 15, 04:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
I have a Dell Dimension 8200 (Seagate Barracuda 7200 HD 160GB)
with XP, SP3, Spywareblaster, Avast, Malwarebytes, Malwarebytes
Anti-Exploit and Windows Firewall.

I'm trying to create a bootable rescue disk with Macrium but I
seem to be doing something wrong.

In the first place I had to download a newer version of Macrium.

I clicked on the top left to create the bootable disk, but then
not sure whether I should use PE 3.1 or PE 4.0 since I had to
upgrade macrium. I selected PE 3.1 and then clicked rebuild and
the following screens appeared:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2ijk7xd.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/oiy5vn.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/xap4j7.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2gt2lcn.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/ymh5e.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/34sldlc.jpg

If I selected PE 4.0 I get this:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2n9l280.jpg

Thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks,
Robert


Where you select "CD/DVD drive", there is an
option in there to "Create ISO file" or similar.
So in addition to being able to select your optical
drive, there is an additional menu item in there
to create an intermediate "rescue.iso" file.

Select a place your user account has access to
(C:\users\robert\Downloads maybe), and save the
rescue.iso file there.

That should give you a ~200MB "rescue.iso" file.
Mine is a different size than yours, because
I happen to have a different WinPE than you.

Now, using your favorite CD/DVD burner software
(like Imgburn or Nero), you can convert the
rescue.iso file into a bootable CD, using blank
media placed in your optical drive.

As for the version of WinPE package used, whether
it is 3.1, 4.0, 5.0 or whatever. I don't think it
makes that much difference. Maybe it makes a difference
if you were interacting with the build process,
installing a network driver or something. But for
this simple build recipe, just use whatever file
version was downloaded. The 3.1 package would have
been WinXP or Vista era perhaps. The 5.0 might be
more aligned with Windows 8, in terms of when they
were released. Just use the one you've got, burn a
test CD, and see if it boots. You don't need to
build a collection of all the WinPE versions.
Unless you're having a lot of trouble getting
your rescue CD to boot or something.

Alternately, if you use virtual machine software,
you can take "rescue.iso" and use it in a virtual
machine, and do a test boot in there. But that
isn't all that good a test, except to rule out
really busted rescue.iso builds. The VM environment
has entirely different emulated hardware than the
real computer, so if it boots in there, that doesn't
prove that all driver issues are solved.

I never figured out how to add a network driver to
my rescue.iso, but I wasn't sufficiently motivated
for that to bother me all that much. So it whines
a bit when it boots - who cares :-) The reason
I have such an attitude, is I'm not all that
convinced it has an effective "network share"
selection method when you boot it. I haven't
seen a picture of that dialog yet, to know how
good it is.

Paul
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Old May 26th 15, 10:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Hello Paul,

I followed your instructions and this is what
it gave me:

http://i62.tinypic.com/23qyqoo.jpg

Robert
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Old May 26th 15, 12:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

I followed your instructions and this is what
it gave me:

http://i62.tinypic.com/23qyqoo.jpg

Robert


So you haven't put a blank CD in the tray,
to be burned with "rescue.iso" contents ?

That's what "medium not present" means.

Perhaps you put your blank CD in the wrong drive ?
That can happen on dual optical drive machines...

Paul
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Old May 27th 15, 02:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Hello Paul,

It did have a CD in it although it
wasn't blank. So I erased it or so
I thought and tried it again with
the same result.

I guess I have to buy some new cd's

Thanks,
Robert
  #6  
Old May 27th 15, 02:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

The funny thing is, the 8500 recognizes
it as a blank CD(DVD-RW) but the 8200
doesn't.

Oh, now I see, I need a CD-R, correct?

Robert
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Old May 27th 15, 05:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

It did have a CD in it although it
wasn't blank. So I erased it or so
I thought and tried it again with
the same result.

I guess I have to buy some new cd's

Thanks,
Robert


Does it have "RW" in the name ? Those
would be erasable.

These are the ones I have. I only have
small quantities (small cake boxes).

CD-R Only write them once (cannot erase)
CD-RW Erase and rewrite
DVD+RW Erase and rewrite

I also have one DVD-R dual layer (9GB) left.
Some of the slowest writing media in the world (2X rate?).
I think it took around an hour to burn one.
I'll probably stay unused, because I can't think
of anything to waste it on.

Paul
  #8  
Old May 27th 15, 05:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
The funny thing is, the 8500 recognizes
it as a blank CD(DVD-RW) but the 8200
doesn't.

Oh, now I see, I need a CD-R, correct?

Robert


The rescue.iso should be on the order of 200MB,
and fits easily on a 700MB CD. Or on a 4.7GB DVD.
So a CD-R will work fine.

It's possible the drive in the 8200,
doesn't do that flavor of DVD. You would
use something like Nero InfoTool (free),
to check the capabilities of the drive. Or,
if you still have the retail packaging the drive
came in, the back of the box may list the
media types supported.

Or, you can Google the optical drive model
number, and see if cdrinfo or cdfreaks has
an old review for it.

The model number may be available in places
like Device Manager.

Paul
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Old May 27th 15, 10:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Hello Paul,

I found these two links:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/lg-gs.../Features.html

and

http://sciologness.com/download/7168...sb-device.html

I have a Maxell DVD-RW which is not supported.
So I'll hae to go and buy some CD-RW's. I thought
I better check with you first before downloading
the drivers.

Also, is this good for CD-RW's?

http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-95156.../dp/B004E2PY0G

Thanks,
Robert
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Old May 27th 15, 10:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

I noticed the other Verbatim link was from Canada so I
found this:

http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-Rewri...18484&sr =1-1
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Old May 27th 15, 02:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
I noticed the other Verbatim link was from Canada so I
found this:

http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-Rewri...18484&sr =1-1


One of the products is 4X, the other is 12X.

I have the Verbatim 12X as my CD-RW media. About
half a cake box left.

The 4X is going to write a bit slower. So you'll need
to be more patient waiting for the burn to complete.

Keep looking around, as if you see some product number
of Verbatim is still around, it should be available
in both Canada and US. Someone is bound to have a
cake box of moderately fast media for you.

Note that in some cases, even when a drive nominally
accepts media, the speed rating can be so radically
different, the drive refuses to burn (as it doesn't
have a write policy for the laser, for such a
difference). The burn can only work, if either
the subsystem can read and parse the label on
the media, or in some cases, the drive has a
calibration procedure where it can figure out
how much laser to use. The laser is infinitely
programmable, in terms of strength, with different
energy settings for read/write/erase. And for some
older drives, the laser is just too weak.

Your drive is not too old, so this is not the
problem. Your drive should handle just about
anything, and is modern enough.

And the writing rates are only consistent between families.
The DVD X-numbers are consistent between DVD types.
The CD X-numbers are consistent between CD types.
I have 52X CD-R, as the write-once kind are a lot
faster, but you cannot erase them. The CD-RW happen to be
12X, but that isn't exceptional. None of my media
is all that fast. The DVD DL I have left is only
2X, and it's as slow as molasses. You'd hate those.
But a DVD X unit of measure is worth more
megabytes per second than a CD X unit of measure
is worth. So you can't say my CD-RW at 12X is six times
faster than the DVD DL 2X disc I have left.

According to Wikipedia

150 KiB/s (1X) CD units of speed (12X = 1.8MB/sec)
10.5 Mbit/s (1×) DVD units of speed ( 2X = 2.625MB/sec)

so the DVD DL happens to be a bit faster than the CD-RW
I've got, but because the DVD DL holds 9GB of data and
the CD is 700MB, the write process is doing 13X as much
work. So it takes 13X as long to transfer a full length
Hollywood movie (not highly compressed). Most people
take 9GB movies and re-compress to 4.7GB and use
single-layer DVDs for such things. As it's more
practical. I only bought the dual layer media
as a learning experience (which it was).

And the media tends to read faster, than the write operation.
So the megabytes/sec goes up a bit when actually using
the finished disc. They tell you the write speed on the
outside of the tin, so you know how sluggish your
write session is going to be. Whether you have time
to make and drink a coffee, or the burn will be so slow,
it's time to go make dinner.

Paul
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Old May 27th 15, 03:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:46:36 -0400, Paul wrote:


These are the ones I have. I only have
small quantities (small cake boxes).

CD-R Only write them once (cannot erase)
CD-RW Erase and rewrite
DVD+RW Erase and rewrite



Personally I avoid RW disks, and have only CDRs and DVD+Rs. They are
not only less expensive than RWs, but in my experience they are
considerably more reliable.

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Old May 27th 15, 03:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:46:36 -0400, Paul wrote:


These are the ones I have. I only have
small quantities (small cake boxes).

CD-R Only write them once (cannot erase)
CD-RW Erase and rewrite
DVD+RW Erase and rewrite



Personally I avoid RW disks, and have only CDRs and DVD+Rs. They are
not only less expensive than RWs, but in my experience they are
considerably more reliable.


This was true at one time. I had Memorex CD-RW from the old
days, that had a serious bit-rot problem.

I have had lots of RW media since that time, some of
which has been erased a handful of times, and it's still
good media. So I no longer have "RW anxiety" here.
The stuff seems to be working.

Paul
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Old May 27th 15, 03:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
The funny thing is, the 8500 recognizes
it as a blank CD(DVD-RW) but the 8200
doesn't.

Oh, now I see, I need a CD-R, correct?

Robert


I forgot to address one other issue.

"Why do we create ISO9660 files as an intermediate step ?"

When it comes to programs that have built-in media
burning capabilities, many times those programs do
not function correctly.

By collecting the "rescue.iso" file, we are separating
the task into two steps. A data preparation step.
A media burning step.

You have two computers. You can carry the "rescue.iso"
file to the computer with a working optical drive
(recognizes the media) and do the burn operation there.

And the burning programs have their own quirks.

1) Nero will not butn a 200MB ISO to a DVD. It will
pester you to "insert a CD in the drive".

2) Imgburn program, by comparison, doesn't mind butning
a 200MB ISO file, to make a bootable DVD. That should
work.

I don't know what possible technical issue could exist
for such behavior. All I can tell you is, if Nero gives
me grief, I switch to Imgburn here.

And by moving the burning task to the other computer,
maybe you won't need to buy a cake box of media today.
Assuming your DVD media is working right.

Paul
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Old May 27th 15, 04:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Hello Paul,

How would I carry the file from
the 8200 to the 8500?

Also the 8200 is 32 bit and the
8500 is 64bit. Wouldn't that present
some problems?

Thanks,
Robert


 




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