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  #16  
Old May 27th 15, 08:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

How would I carry the file from
the 8200 to the 8500?

Also the 8200 is 32 bit and the
8500 is 64bit. Wouldn't that present
some problems?

Thanks,
Robert


Presents no problem at all.

"Burning an ISO" is just "Burning an ISO"

Install the burning software, and use it.

*******

There are two ways to get a file from the 8200
to the 8500

1) Windows File sharing.

2) Use a USB Flash drive ($5 to $20 or so).

If you had three disk drives

a) Boot drive for 8200
b) Boot drive for 8500
c) Data drive with movies on it

you could move the third drive, the data drive,
from one machine to the other. That's if you did
not want to run out and buy a USB flash drive.
You could move a hard drive, one containing "rescue.iso"
on it, to the other machine by hand.

It's a crappy solution, but its free (as long as
you have a spare hard drive).

The other issue, is the 8200 might have USB 1.1 and
only transfer files at 1 megabyte per second. If you
use the USB flash key in such a case, it will take
a bit more than three minutes to put the 200MB rescue.iso
file on the USB stick. I have an old Apple G4 Macintosh
like this, and using the USB 1.1 port on that machine is
extremely annoying. But the machine does have a good
DVD burner in it.

*******

General rules of thumb for Windows file sharing.

1) Set the value of workgroup = "WORKGROUP"
All machines should belong to the same fake domain.
2) Use user accounts having the same userid and password.
That's in case you receive a password prompt. For example,
if one machine has userid "Bob" and the other machine has
"Robert", that's not the best setup possible. It takes
some forethought, someone warning you about this, to make
the best account choices when first setting up a computer.
A few of my machines having the same account, was purely
an accident on my part. I never planned ahead for this.

Setting up file sharing is a pain in the ass. Microsoft
has tried to fix this on more modern OSes, with HomeGroup,
but since people don't normally have machines uniformly with
exactly the same OS release loaded on the, it's pretty hard
to use that as an option. What works, if one machine is
Windows 7 and the other is WinXP, is to use Workgroup.

And since I've had a fair amount of trouble (on occasion)
getting this stuff to work, I can't honestly promote file
sharing as a solution for everyone. My last remaining problem
here with it, is certain from-to paths not running at
consistent speeds. Sometimes moving a file from A - B happens
at 20MB/sec, while B - A runs at 80MB/sec (on a GbE network).
And I can't figure out what is wrong with it. But at least
I can still copy stuff. Frequently, if I'm moving a terabyte
of data, I can't afford for it to run at 20MB/sec, and that
makes the bug really really annoying, whatever it is.
(I end up walking the disk drive over to the other computer.)
If WinPCAP is running, capturing packets, magically
the transfer rate doubles to 40MB/sec, which is a hint
as to the nature of the bug. I just don't know what it means.

So while you can attempt to set up Windows File Sharing for
yourself, I won't always be able to supply the right helpful
hints to fixing it. I have enough trouble myself.

Paul

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  #17  
Old May 27th 15, 08:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Paul wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:46:36 -0400, Paul wrote:


These are the ones I have. I only have
small quantities (small cake boxes).

CD-R Only write them once (cannot erase)
CD-RW Erase and rewrite
DVD+RW Erase and rewrite



Personally I avoid RW disks, and have only CDRs and DVD+Rs. They are
not only less expensive than RWs, but in my experience they are
considerably more reliable.


This was true at one time. I had Memorex CD-RW from the old
days, that had a serious bit-rot problem.

I have had lots of RW media since that time, some of
which has been erased a handful of times, and it's still
good media. So I no longer have "RW anxiety" here.
The stuff seems to be working.

Paul


I feel/felt the same way as Ken did about the R/W's. But even recordable
DVD's have problems: I had a couple of Memorex DVD-R's that over several
years became unreadable, and for one of them, you could even see the dye
color had changed!

My question is: at this point in time, is there really much need for
DVD-R's or DVD+R's (or even CDs, for that matter)? We have USB flash thumb
drives that are so cheap now (especially for DVD sizes), much faster, and
(seemingly) have better life, with no dyes to go bad, et al.

The only thing I can think of (besides some cost savings IF you need to keep
a large library of distinctly separate media), is that some older machines
can't use USB thumb drives, and they are admitedly harder to label.


  #18  
Old May 27th 15, 09:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:46:36 -0400, Paul wrote:


These are the ones I have. I only have
small quantities (small cake boxes).

CD-R Only write them once (cannot erase)
CD-RW Erase and rewrite
DVD+RW Erase and rewrite

Personally I avoid RW disks, and have only CDRs and DVD+Rs. They are
not only less expensive than RWs, but in my experience they are
considerably more reliable.

This was true at one time. I had Memorex CD-RW from the old
days, that had a serious bit-rot problem.

I have had lots of RW media since that time, some of
which has been erased a handful of times, and it's still
good media. So I no longer have "RW anxiety" here.
The stuff seems to be working.

Paul


I feel/felt the same way as Ken did about the R/W's. But even recordable
DVD's have problems: I had a couple of Memorex DVD-R's that over several
years became unreadable, and for one of them, you could even see the dye
color had changed!

My question is: at this point in time, is there really much need for
DVD-R's or DVD+R's (or even CDs, for that matter)? We have USB flash thumb
drives that are so cheap now (especially for DVD sizes), much faster, and
(seemingly) have better life, with no dyes to go bad, et al.

The only thing I can think of (besides some cost savings IF you need to keep
a large library of distinctly separate media), is that some older machines
can't use USB thumb drives, and they are admitedly harder to label.


I haven't really been picking favorites here.

A CD-R is the equivalent of "write protect", which might
be a useful property in some situations. I would put my Kaspersky
on a CD that way.

I use optical media for my Macrium Reflect boot media.

I use a mixture for other cases.

I have many Linux distros on RW, some get erased to make
room for others. If I need to try Ubuntu, Mint, Knoppix 5.3.1,
Gentoo in quick succession, it's nice to just sort through a
pile of discs and pick one out.

Loading a cheap USB, takes time. My worst one is around 3MB/sec.
But on the other hand, some USB keys boot much much faster than
an optical disc.

I wouldn't say there's any pattern to my usage. Just whatever
I can eyeball from my seat, might influence my media choice.
I've installed many test copies of Windows, using a USB key to
hold the install.wim and friends.

I on;ly have six USB keys here, with one of them
having a busted pin on it (which means it doesn't
get used all that often). It's still electrically
functional, as a USB3 pin broke on the 9 contact interface,
and the USB2 portion still works on it. Because the
connector on it is custom made, there is no easy way
to repair it. (The connector is an oddball, and the
contact pattern on the PCB doesn't match anything
I could find.) Because the connector carries 5GHz
signals, you can't just "join it with wirewrap wire"
or similar. Home made repairs won't do for a pig like that.
It needs to be repaired properly, with a replacement
connector. And I can't find one to buy. The metal
that snapped is microscopic, and a solder joint
would just snap again.

Paul
  #19  
Old May 27th 15, 09:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:46:36 -0400, Paul wrote:


These are the ones I have. I only have
small quantities (small cake boxes).

CD-R Only write them once (cannot erase)
CD-RW Erase and rewrite
DVD+RW Erase and rewrite

Personally I avoid RW disks, and have only CDRs and DVD+Rs. They are
not only less expensive than RWs, but in my experience they are
considerably more reliable.

This was true at one time. I had Memorex CD-RW from the old
days, that had a serious bit-rot problem.

I have had lots of RW media since that time, some of
which has been erased a handful of times, and it's still
good media. So I no longer have "RW anxiety" here.
The stuff seems to be working.

Paul


I feel/felt the same way as Ken did about the R/W's. But even recordable
DVD's have problems: I had a couple of Memorex DVD-R's that over several
years became unreadable, and for one of them, you could even see the dye
color had changed!

My question is: at this point in time, is there really much need for
DVD-R's or DVD+R's (or even CDs, for that matter)? We have USB flash
thumb
drives that are so cheap now (especially for DVD sizes), much faster, and
(seemingly) have better life, with no dyes to go bad, et al.

The only thing I can think of (besides some cost savings IF you need to
keep
a large library of distinctly separate media), is that some older
machines
can't use USB thumb drives, and they are admitedly harder to label.


I haven't really been picking favorites here.

A CD-R is the equivalent of "write protect", which might
be a useful property in some situations. I would put my Kaspersky
on a CD that way.

I use optical media for my Macrium Reflect boot media.

I use a mixture for other cases.

I have many Linux distros on RW, some get erased to make
room for others. If I need to try Ubuntu, Mint, Knoppix 5.3.1,
Gentoo in quick succession, it's nice to just sort through a
pile of discs and pick one out.

Loading a cheap USB, takes time. My worst one is around 3MB/sec.
But on the other hand, some USB keys boot much much faster than
an optical disc.

I wouldn't say there's any pattern to my usage. Just whatever
I can eyeball from my seat, might influence my media choice.
I've installed many test copies of Windows, using a USB key to
hold the install.wim and friends.

I on;ly have six USB keys here, with one of them
having a busted pin on it (which means it doesn't
get used all that often). It's still electrically
functional, as a USB3 pin broke on the 9 contact interface,
and the USB2 portion still works on it. Because the
connector on it is custom made, there is no easy way
to repair it. (The connector is an oddball, and the
contact pattern on the PCB doesn't match anything
I could find.) Because the connector carries 5GHz
signals, you can't just "join it with wirewrap wire"
or similar. Home made repairs won't do for a pig like that.
It needs to be repaired properly, with a replacement
connector. And I can't find one to buy. The metal
that snapped is microscopic, and a solder joint
would just snap again.

Paul


Yes, I forgot about the "write protect" aspect of the optical discs. :-)

I (now) use a USB2 thumb drive for Acronis True Image (when I'm not booting
up into Windows) for restore operations instead of the Acronis boot CD, and
that works out well for me, since it's noticeably faster. The only trick is
you've got to make sure the computer can actually boot to it. :-)

For your busted pin drive, it sounds like a good solution here would just be
to buy another USB3 thumb drive, and copy the contents over to the new one.
I'm guessing you're not doing that due to some added expense, but it just
might be worth it, no?


  #20  
Old May 28th 15, 02:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:46:36 -0400, Paul wrote:


These are the ones I have. I only have
small quantities (small cake boxes).

CD-R Only write them once (cannot erase)
CD-RW Erase and rewrite
DVD+RW Erase and rewrite
Personally I avoid RW disks, and have only CDRs and DVD+Rs. They are
not only less expensive than RWs, but in my experience they are
considerably more reliable.

This was true at one time. I had Memorex CD-RW from the old
days, that had a serious bit-rot problem.

I have had lots of RW media since that time, some of
which has been erased a handful of times, and it's still
good media. So I no longer have "RW anxiety" here.
The stuff seems to be working.

Paul
I feel/felt the same way as Ken did about the R/W's. But even recordable
DVD's have problems: I had a couple of Memorex DVD-R's that over several
years became unreadable, and for one of them, you could even see the dye
color had changed!

My question is: at this point in time, is there really much need for
DVD-R's or DVD+R's (or even CDs, for that matter)? We have USB flash
thumb
drives that are so cheap now (especially for DVD sizes), much faster, and
(seemingly) have better life, with no dyes to go bad, et al.

The only thing I can think of (besides some cost savings IF you need to
keep
a large library of distinctly separate media), is that some older
machines
can't use USB thumb drives, and they are admitedly harder to label.

I haven't really been picking favorites here.

A CD-R is the equivalent of "write protect", which might
be a useful property in some situations. I would put my Kaspersky
on a CD that way.

I use optical media for my Macrium Reflect boot media.

I use a mixture for other cases.

I have many Linux distros on RW, some get erased to make
room for others. If I need to try Ubuntu, Mint, Knoppix 5.3.1,
Gentoo in quick succession, it's nice to just sort through a
pile of discs and pick one out.

Loading a cheap USB, takes time. My worst one is around 3MB/sec.
But on the other hand, some USB keys boot much much faster than
an optical disc.

I wouldn't say there's any pattern to my usage. Just whatever
I can eyeball from my seat, might influence my media choice.
I've installed many test copies of Windows, using a USB key to
hold the install.wim and friends.

I on;ly have six USB keys here, with one of them
having a busted pin on it (which means it doesn't
get used all that often). It's still electrically
functional, as a USB3 pin broke on the 9 contact interface,
and the USB2 portion still works on it. Because the
connector on it is custom made, there is no easy way
to repair it. (The connector is an oddball, and the
contact pattern on the PCB doesn't match anything
I could find.) Because the connector carries 5GHz
signals, you can't just "join it with wirewrap wire"
or similar. Home made repairs won't do for a pig like that.
It needs to be repaired properly, with a replacement
connector. And I can't find one to buy. The metal
that snapped is microscopic, and a solder joint
would just snap again.

Paul


Yes, I forgot about the "write protect" aspect of the optical discs. :-)

I (now) use a USB2 thumb drive for Acronis True Image (when I'm not booting
up into Windows) for restore operations instead of the Acronis boot CD, and
that works out well for me, since it's noticeably faster. The only trick is
you've got to make sure the computer can actually boot to it. :-)

For your busted pin drive, it sounds like a good solution here would just be
to buy another USB3 thumb drive, and copy the contents over to the new one.
I'm guessing you're not doing that due to some added expense, but it just
might be worth it, no?


At the moment, USB keys are off my shopping list.
The easiest solution is to just "move on".

The nice thing about USB keys, is they aren't very big,
so you don't need to dig a big hole in the back yard
to bury them.

Paul
  #21  
Old May 28th 15, 04:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Hello Paul,

I had no idea this was so involved!

Seems every time I ask a question it opens
a can of worms!

So, if I buy a USB key do they have different
kinds? If so what would you recommend? I
have lots of ports on the 8500 for 2.0 and 3.0
and others for memory sticks for my camera etc.
but the 8200 I believe only has 1 USB port under
the front panel that lifts up.

So then after I load the ISO file to the USB key then
insert it in the 8500 won't there be a compatibility
issue with the USB ports(I'm not concerned about the
amount of time it takes)? If not, then I assume
I just insert the DVD-RW disk and copy the ISO file.
Is this correct?

Thanks,
Robert




  #22  
Old May 28th 15, 04:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

I had no idea this was so involved!

Seems every time I ask a question it opens
a can of worms!

So, if I buy a USB key do they have different
kinds? If so what would you recommend? I
have lots of ports on the 8500 for 2.0 and 3.0
and others for memory sticks for my camera etc.
but the 8200 I believe only has 1 USB port under
the front panel that lifts up.

So then after I load the ISO file to the USB key then
insert it in the 8500 won't there be a compatibility
issue with the USB ports(I'm not concerned about the
amount of time it takes)? If not, then I assume
I just insert the DVD-RW disk and copy the ISO file.
Is this correct?

Thanks,
Robert


USB is designed to be backward compatible.

Even if you buy a fancy USB flash stick, a USB3 one
that runs at 200MB/sec, it will still fit and work
on the USB 1.1 port on some older computer at 1MB/sec.

So we don't have to worry about that.

There have been only limited cases of "lack of compatibility",
like an Apple product years ago, that seemed to only support
USB2. Most other hardware is compatible. Period.

*******

My only problem with USB flash sticks, is the general
dishonesty surrounding their performance level. Each and
every time, you have to research what their real transfer
rate is.

The USB flash key I have that only writes at 3MB/sec,
it's pretty damn slow. It would take 60 seconds to load your file
and less time to unload the Flash stick, if used to transfer
files around my computer room. The stick in that case, had
the adjective "Ultra" in the product name, implying it
used one of the higher-end flash chips. And of course,
it was a load of baloney.

So just read the reviews and find a semi-good one.

This is an example of a recent disingenuous trend.

ADATA 8GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA0AJ1RX6602

Read Speed up to 80 MB/s
Write Speed up to 12 MB/s

It's $30. It only has a capacity of 8GB (which is good enough,
but some would consider it a bit on the small side). But the
worst part, is the asymmetric read versus write. When you're
loading up the stick, it's no better than a stick from
eight years ago. It seems they have no trouble getting read
speed, but write speed is hard to come by.

Second mistake. USB flash sticks with *plastic* connector barrel.
*Do not buy!!!* This one is all plastic.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233648

OK, this one looks acceptable. It has a metal connector body
on it. The transfer characteristics is asymmetric (you have
little choice in the matter, unless you spend over a hundred
bucks). But it looks decent so far. The write won't be 30MB/sec,
but probably around 20MB/sec on your average usage day. Obviously,
if the 8200 only has a USB 1.1 port on the front, it can still
only read or write at ~1MB/sec. But on the 8500 it will go faster.

Patriot 16GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Model PEF16GSBUSB $13
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220653

Up to 90MB/s Read
Up to 30MB/s Write

The price is decent. It uses a cap and isn't a retractable design.
Yes, you can lose the cap, but at least the metal barrel isn't
always retracting on you.

Always remember to install these "square". If you attempt to
insert on an angle, and cause the neck of the flash drive to
correct your angular error, it stresses the solder joints
that fasten the metal barrel connector to the fiberglass PCB.
It helps, if you can see what you're doing, and the area is
well lit. If you install flash drives in the dark, it's harder
to see what you're doing.

And my oldest computer, the computer connector is just a poor
fit. No matter what cabling or connector I use, that computer
has a very high insertion force. All my other motherboards,
the USB on them isn't anywhere near as bad.

You don't have to buy USB3, but the thing is, the USB2 designs
can have a fairly high level of inferior designs (6MB/sec write),
and we're kinda forced into getting the USB3 version. I would
just as soon take a USB2 metal barrel with 30/30 read/write
as I would a USB3 90/30 read/write. And the reason is, the
USB3 products have 9 contacts hiding inside the barrel. The
four original USB spec contacts, are bulletproof. The five
new contacts they added, are a little more exposed to damage.
While I have not broken any of my quality USB3 flash drives,
the USB3 flash drive with the plastic barrel, broke on the
first day! With the plastic barrel, there is enough deformation
while inserting them, to endanger proper connector capture,
which is why a pin got broken. A USB3 pin, because they're
elevated above the surface, and the barrel *must* be metal
to enforce proper tolerances (clearance on insertion).

Paul
  #23  
Old May 28th 15, 05:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

I had no idea this was so involved!

Seems every time I ask a question it opens
a can of worms!

So, if I buy a USB key do they have different
kinds? If so what would you recommend? I
have lots of ports on the 8500 for 2.0 and 3.0
and others for memory sticks for my camera etc.
but the 8200 I believe only has 1 USB port under
the front panel that lifts up.

So then after I load the ISO file to the USB key then
insert it in the 8500 won't there be a compatibility
issue with the USB ports(I'm not concerned about the
amount of time it takes)? If not, then I assume
I just insert the DVD-RW disk and copy the ISO file.
Is this correct?

Thanks,
Robert


Oh, another thing.

If you have memory card readers on both the 8200 and 8500,
you could achieve a file transfer using a camera memory chip.

I don't give that a strong endorsement, because sometimes
you can mess up the chip enough that the camera refuses to
use it. (The camera should have a bulletproof "format" function
to recover the chip.) That's the only issue I have with
using some sort of camera memory chip for the job.

So again, if both ends have readers, you may be able
to move the file between computers that way.

*******

Also, if you discover the 8200 is USB1.1, you can fit
a USB2 card in it (this would be the same thing I need
to do to my old Macintosh computer). The 8200 may only
have PCI slots, and there are only a couple USB3 cards
for PCI, so you're less likely to get a good deal on those.
But USB2 PCI cards are a dime a dozen, and work a lot
faster than any USB 1.1 ports you're stuck with.

StarTech PCI420USB USB2 4 Port PCI $13 (uses VIA VT6212L)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815158045

Notice that the card has five connectors, which means
the internal connector shares with an external connector.
If you use the internal connector for wiring up
one additional front USB port, then one of those
four connectors on the back, you'd stop using it.
If you don't use the internal connector, then
all the external ones should work fine.

(A link showing the VT6212L chip only supports 4 ports and not 5).
http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/pe...s/usb/vt6212l/

This is a way to put USB3 in the 8200, but the card
costs $60. The USB3 in this case, is limited to 110MB/sec
max, out of a possible 400+MB/sec or so. The PCI bus
is the limitation. But if you want a decent transfer
speed on your USB (for a USB3 flash stick), this
is the way you get it. Too bad it's 5X the price of
a USB2 card. There is also a danger, with an 8200 era
computer, that the BIOS will not be able to figure out
what you've plugged in. (Some of the old BIOS don't
like bus translation chips.) That is less likely
to happen with the simple VT6212L design.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815158361

For a USB2 PCI card, I would have selected one with
a NEC chip on it, but I don't see any for sale. And
that's the only reason I selected a card with VIA
on it.

Paul
  #25  
Old May 29th 15, 12:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Hello Paul,

I guess there's a big difference in the USB
flash drives. I'm not all that certain that
Radio Shack here in town would have the Patriot
so I might just go ahead and order it from Newegg
since this isn't a time sensitive issue.

The 8500 does have the memory card reader as I
upload my images using the camera memory chip
but the 8200 does not.

I would like to upgrade the 8200 but the only USB
slots are in front under the hinged panel.

Thanks,
Robert


  #26  
Old May 29th 15, 03:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

I guess there's a big difference in the USB
flash drives. I'm not all that certain that
Radio Shack here in town would have the Patriot
so I might just go ahead and order it from Newegg
since this isn't a time sensitive issue.

The 8500 does have the memory card reader as I
upload my images using the camera memory chip
but the 8200 does not.

I would like to upgrade the 8200 but the only USB
slots are in front under the hinged panel.

Thanks,
Robert


When you put a PCI card in the 8200, the USB ports
would be on the back. It depends on whether the
8200 is pushed up against a wall, as to whether
those connectors would be accessible. I use ports
on the back of this computer I'm typing on, all
the time. I've had two USB flash keys and a USB
optical drive connected at the same time (leaving
about one spare port).

Having the connectors on the back, causes the
fewest installation problems. It's just the
usage that isn't very convenient.

*******

Getting an additional connector on the front
of the computer, is a herculean effort :-)

If the computer has spare 5.25" drive bays, you
can use products like this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811996047

That's a rather exaggerated example, in that to use
all of those, it would be a real project hooking
all that stuff up successfully. Your 8200 would not have
the internal ports necessary to hook that item up. Even
my latest motherboard here, would be hard pressed to
satisfy all of them.

For example, on this card, there are two USB
connectors pointing *inside* the computer. You purchase
the above tray product, and run two of its cables, down
to the two connectors on this add-in card. Now this
card will not fit in the 8200, so this is purely for
illustration only.

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...jQfDvsiKWx.jpg

*******

So maybe I should pick out a pair of products that
would work :-)

Objectives:

*One* working USB2 port in an unused 5.25" drive bay

Parts:

PCI to USB card with *one* internal port connector $14
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815158045

SIIG JU-H42B22-S2 One port to four port 3.5" or 5.25" bay front panel $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815150025

Now, I really didn't want that last one, but I was having trouble
finding a $13 "dumb" panel without fancy circuit board. All this
job really requires is the equivalent of an extension cord. And I'm
trying to make a neat and tidy solution.

This is the right kind of dumb panel (just extension cords), but
it fits a spare 3.5" bay rather than 5.25". And it's still
too damned expensive for what you're getting. This is a USB3
bay, but you could still plug one cable into the USB2 PCI card
above. Of the two ports, one would work and the other one would
be disconnected. It's harder to find PCI cards with just
the right mix of internal ports for the job, to match a USB
front panel tray exactly.

Silverstone USB 3.0 ports with 3.5" $24
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817997021

It's always been hard picking these things, because there
are a few things to factor in to getting a good one.

I guess I'm going to have to look on Amazon.

SEDNA - 2 Port USB 3.0 to 3.5" Floppy Bay, 2x Type A Connector $11
http://www.amazon.com/SEDNA-Floppy-F.../dp/B00V2DUBXA

The $14 PCI card plus the $11 adapter for 3.5" bay, gives me
a single working USB 2.0 port on the front of the 8200 for $25.
And that is assuming there is a spare 3.5" hole on the front.
I would try to purchase all my items from one supplier,
to keep shipping costs down.

If you go with the $14 card and the SIIG bay at $25, that's
a total of $39 bucks and all the ports work on the front.
The bandwidth of one USB port is shared over all four
connectors (since the tray holds a hub chip).

Now buying the $14 PCI to USB card, plus a USB extension
cord, that may cost less, but then there is a cord dangling beside
the 8200 all the time. The cord would run from the back of
the computer, out where you can get at it and plug in your
USB key.

(Example of Type A Male to Type A Female, for extension... $5)
http://www.amazon.com/Extension-Cabl.../dp/B00182CIB8

That means I can do a less than desirable solution for $19 total
plus shipping. Or $39 plus shipping for a more "deluxe" solution.

Paul



  #27  
Old May 30th 15, 07:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Hello Paul,

That's allot of good information you've
put together and is hard for me to ingest
all of it at once *L*

However, is it possible that we can just
remove the 3 1/2 inch drive opening and
use that? There also 'appears' to be a
'pop-out' panel below the DVD/CD Drive.
$25-50 is OK.

However, back to basics all I really want
to do at this point is get the ISO file
copied. Won't the Patriot work with the
existing USB port?


Robert


  #28  
Old May 30th 15, 08:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

That's allot of good information you've
put together and is hard for me to ingest
all of it at once *L*

However, is it possible that we can just
remove the 3 1/2 inch drive opening and
use that? There also 'appears' to be a
'pop-out' panel below the DVD/CD Drive.
$25-50 is OK.

However, back to basics all I really want
to do at this point is get the ISO file
copied. Won't the Patriot work with the
existing USB port?


Robert


It would work fine in any case. My only reason
for pointing out the expected speed, is so you
won't be surprised by what happens. I've transferred
simply huge files on my Macintosh G4 with USB 1.1
ports, and it took over an hour for it to complete.
USB 1.1 ports *really suck* (they do 1MB/sec). And
I just want you to be comfortable with that. The
transfer step on your 8500, is going to scream
by comparison (30MB/sec if the storage device
can keep up).

*****

I looked here, and they claim there are 2? ports
on the front, and they're USB2 type.

http://www.engadget.com/products/del...on/8200/specs/

This article says

http://www.zdnet.com/product/dell-di...th-533mhz-fsb/

"First, the 850E only supports existing PC800 memory
rather than the new higher-bandwidth PC1066 memory
(at least officially). Second, the 850E uses the existing
ICH2 peripheral controller chip, which rules out motherboard
support for Ultra-ATA/133 hard disks and USB 2.0 devices.

Both of the latter features can be added via PCI cards,
but the first crop of 533MHz FSB systems are clearly
nterim products."

Maybe there is more than one motherboard design over the
life of the 8200. As the two articles have differing facts.
One says the Dimension 8200 has USB 1.1, the other says USB 2.0.

In the article here, "850E" or Tehama-E Northbridge, can be
paired with ICH2/ICH4. ICH4 would have USB2. Not sure about
ICH2 (could be USB 1.1).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets

Further down the page, are separate listings for the various
Southbridges.

ICH2 82801BA USB Rev 1.1, 4 Ports
ICH4 82801DB USB Rev 2.0, 6 Ports

So the idea would be, the next time you have the 8200
open, you can look for a square chip which has no heatsink
on top. And see if it is an 82801. The letters on the
end, identify which ICH number it is. The "DB" is ICH4
(I think I have a motherboard here with one of those).

And the purpose of looking, is as a way to predict whether
it will take 3 minutes to load up the Patroit USB flash, or
it will take 7 seconds or so.

With the very best setup possible (perhaps using
your 8500 as a hardware base), you could reduce that
transfer time closer to 1 second. But I don't have
anything here that can do that. My newest motherboard
is still too crippled to be capable of hitting that
benchmark. Maybe I could do it in 3 or 4 seconds on
a good day. So far, I've been particularly unlucky
picking such hardware. I have three USB3 flash sticks
and they all suck (not the fat Patroit design). Patriot
is one of the few companies making multichannel flash
sticks - the disadvantage of their faster designs, is
they're a bit large and may block a second USB port
from being used. They're possibly quad channel designs.
One of my sticks here is dual channel, but isn't particularly
fast. And the newer ones probably use toggle flash to
get additional speed (the interface can go very fast, but
sometimes internally the flash doesn't write all that fast).
But nothing beats a whole bunch of channels in parallel,
for improving the storage speed. It also reduces the
profit margins on the products (can't lift the price
too high, or nobody will buy your stuff - USB flash
is very price sensitive).

Paul
  #29  
Old May 31st 15, 07:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I just ordered the Patriot USB flash,

I passing I was wondering if you knew
anything about Rapid Gator and whether
a program is safe to download from there?

Since were talking about upgrading the 8200
I would like it to have the same media capabilities
as the 8500 but unsure what kind of software
it requires?

Thanks,
Robert



  #30  
Old June 4th 15, 07:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:14:06 PM UTC-5, Mark Twain wrote:
I have a Dell Dimension 8200 (Seagate Barracuda 7200 HD 160GB)
with XP, SP3, Spywareblaster, Avast, Malwarebytes, Malwarebytes
Anti-Exploit and Windows Firewall.

I'm trying to create a bootable rescue disk with Macrium but I
seem to be doing something wrong.

In the first place I had to download a newer version of Macrium.

I clicked on the top left to create the bootable disk, but then
not sure whether I should use PE 3.1 or PE 4.0 since I had to
upgrade macrium. I selected PE 3.1 and then clicked rebuild and
the following screens appeared:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2ijk7xd.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/oiy5vn.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/xap4j7.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2gt2lcn.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/ymh5e.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/34sldlc.jpg

If I selected PE 4.0 I get this:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2n9l280.jpg

Thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks,
Robert


I put my Macrium rescue media on a pendrive.

More reliable and easier than CD/DVD.
ANdy

 




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