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  #31  
Old July 26th 16, 01:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
For the third time in as many days I
have only been able to connect by manually
pressing the power off button and then
comes back with abnormal shutdown and
then I select normal start-up and then
I get connected.

I shouldn't have to go this route to get
connected to the Internet and risk damaging
my computer.


This time, I'm leaving it on until we resolve
some things.

Robert


So when you restore from backup, initially
it is OK ?

And then it goes back to yellow-triangle/exclamation
mark on the network icon.

You have a few things which update themselves
automatically, such as your AV and Windows Update.
I don't know if there are any other things of
significance to the network connection or not
(stuff that might automatically update and
screw up the network connection).

I've had a problem like yours, and the fix was
to use NGEN and compile the .NET assemblies
(which somehow affected the Firewall). But I had
one other problem, that required reinstalling
the OS, because I'd given up on fixing it.

*******

As for the yellow triangle, Microsoft uses a specific
mechanism to test for network access.

http://superuser.com/questions/27792...-connection-re

( from http://superuser.com/questions/67760...nternet-access
which included a number of arbitrary fixes as well )

"The following list describes how NCSI might
communicate with a Web site to determine whether
a network has Internet connectivity:

1. A request for DNS name resolution of dns.msftncsi.com

[ In Command Prompt - nslookup dns.msftncsi.com ]
[ If it returns a w.x.y.z numeric IP, then DNS is working. ]

2. A HTTP request for

http://www.msftncsi.com/ncsi.txt

returning 200 OK and the text Microsoft NCSI

This can be disabled with a registry setting. If you set

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\
NlaSvc\Parameters\Internet\EnableActiveProbing

to 0, Windows will no longer probe for internet connectivity.
"

So that's how they figure out whether to show a yellow
triangle. If you had a proxy setup for Internet (sometimes
put there by adware, gumming up web connections), or a
badly configured Firewall (one based on .NET software,
where the ,NET software isn't loading properly), those
could be contributing factors.

But in general, I don't know of an all-inclusive troubleshooter.
Regular troubleshooters only issue the two magic commands
to reset the actual network stack. No troubleshooter verifies
the Firewall is OK. No troubleshooter warns you that your
browser is using a proxy setup. No troubleshooter can warn
you that your AV product is using a VPN (virtual private network),
or is otherwise interfering with network traffic. There are
enough external influences, to make this hard to troubleshoot.

And I tried testing this, which doesn't work. So that web site
does not accept numeric IPs.

http://206.248.168.139/ncsi.txt

Whereas this one works in the browser. So only symbolic
addresses and not numeric addresses work with the web
test site. So you cannot even use the site for effective
debugging purposes. You can try clicking this link, but if
it doesn't work, it's going to be harder to figure out why.

http://www.msftncsi.com/ncsi.txt

The reason that site behaves funny, is 500 million
computers check in at least once a day, so that web site
is actually a content distribution network (CDN). It's not
just a Plain Jane web server. But you can still browse
to that address and get the two-word response.

HTH,
Paul
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  #32  
Old July 26th 16, 06:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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When I did the restore (from a May Mrimg so I
wouldn't have any issues) it was to hopefully
fix the connection problem because of something
I may of done.

It then went to the yellow triangle with black
exclamation mark stage then to the bar with the
sunburst symbol then nothing and acts fine until
I log off then starts all over when I try to boot
and it doesn't connect.

Avast does update itself but not Windows update I
do that manually one at a time and read what kind of
update it is.

I tried running the DNS name resolution:

http://i66.tinypic.com/20hvapx.jpg

I'm not following your instructions for resetting
NCSI (I need precise instructions if I'm going into
the registry to change things)and the link didn't
open to anything.


Thing is all worked perfectly until this problem
(whatever it is)cropped up. I received an email from
a guy who said it might be the video card.

Now it's worked fine all along and we haven't done
anything to the 8500 other than to boot the spare HD
and I cleaned it.

All of this just happened for no reason,..one day all
is fine and the next it's all messed up and I have no
idea why?? The re-store should of fixed everything.

Should I try another restore?

Is there some way of checking if the video card may be
the problem? or Avast? I tried disabling Avast before
but it didn't seem to help.

Robert
  #33  
Old July 26th 16, 12:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default O.T. - Connection Problem:

Remember the Nvidia update that won't
complete because it had to be updated
from the Nvidia site? So maybe it is
the Video card?

http://i64.tinypic.com/6ftgts.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2yoxtdz.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2ykddsl.jpg

I didn't download it yet because I wanted
to wait and see what you wanted me to do.

Robert
  #34  
Old July 26th 16, 12:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
When I did the restore (from a May Mrimg so I
wouldn't have any issues) it was to hopefully
fix the connection problem because of something
I may of done.

It then went to the yellow triangle with black
exclamation mark stage then to the bar with the
sunburst symbol then nothing and acts fine until
I log off then starts all over when I try to boot
and it doesn't connect.

Avast does update itself but not Windows update I
do that manually one at a time and read what kind of
update it is.

I tried running the DNS name resolution:

http://i66.tinypic.com/20hvapx.jpg

I'm not following your instructions for resetting
NCSI (I need precise instructions if I'm going into
the registry to change things)and the link didn't
open to anything.


Thing is all worked perfectly until this problem
(whatever it is)cropped up. I received an email from
a guy who said it might be the video card.

Now it's worked fine all along and we haven't done
anything to the 8500 other than to boot the spare HD
and I cleaned it.

All of this just happened for no reason,..one day all
is fine and the next it's all messed up and I have no
idea why?? The re-store should of fixed everything.

Should I try another restore?

Is there some way of checking if the video card may be
the problem? or Avast? I tried disabling Avast before
but it didn't seem to help.

Robert


The sunburst icon is yellow, and kinda looks like
something the AV put there. Using a Google image
search, and uploading just a sample containing your
tray icon (20x27 pixels), I ended up here. This icon
is a 180 degree rotation of the one in your tray. I
didn't tell it Avast, I just gave it the icon, it
gave me this URL. Avast is backing up something ???

http://help.avast.com/backup/en/winc...backups_c.html

*******

The yellow triangle with exclamation mark, that's a
Microsoft one. If you browse here, and you get
two words of text in the browser window, that
would be the same test Microsoft is using, to
decide whether to put up the yellow triangle.
If the OS cannot reach this site, you get
the triangle.

http://www.msftncsi.com/ncsi.txt --- returns only two words
of text

The other part of the test that Microsoft
uses, is checking whether DNS translation works.
The equivalent for end users, is to do this
in a Command Prompt. You don't have to be
administrator for this one. And there's no
..txt on the end of this command. It's just
a symbolic network address rather than a whole
URL.

nslookup dns.msftncsi.com

After the OS does those tests, it decided
based on the results, whether you have
"limited connectivity" and puts up the
yellow triangle.

So anything which can fake a failure of those
tests, can cause the triangle. Including
Microsoft (temporarily) taking down the web site.

Paul
  #35  
Old July 26th 16, 03:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default O.T. - Connection Problem:

Mark Twain wrote:
Remember the Nvidia update that won't
complete because it had to be updated
from the Nvidia site? So maybe it is
the Video card?

http://i64.tinypic.com/6ftgts.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2yoxtdz.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2ykddsl.jpg

I didn't download it yet because I wanted
to wait and see what you wanted me to do.

Robert


Just a quick answer. I haven't
looked at your pictures yet.

The NVidia driver, if you download
it straight from NVidia (typically geforce.com),
that driver should present a menu of options.

basic driver
ShadowPlay
...

Now, as a user, your objective, is to untick the
items that are irrelevant to your usage. ShadowPlay
takes videos of your 3D gameplay, to show your
friends. If you don't use ShadowPlay, you untick the
box.

You showed me results before, where one item in
the list of items, was failing during install.
It could take as little as unticking that one box,
to make the installation complete.

I don't have any NVidia hardware here, which is
modern enough to do a test case like this. So
I don't know what the options are in there.
Just use common sense - if you see a trade name
in the interface, look it up and find out what
it's for.

http://www.geforce.com/geforce-experience/shadowplay

This web page, they didn't keep it up to date.

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answe...ws-7%2Fwindows

If you install the NVidia driver yourself, and use the
Custom option, the dialog looks like this.

http://nvcc.s3.amazonaws.com/aid_2900/screen11.jpg

PhysX System Software - for 3D games, to make realiztic
explosions. Does lots of math
using the Shaders in the GPU and
so on. Some of the shaders draw
the graphics, and some can model
the physics of particles of dirt.
(Not needed)
HD Audio Driver - If you run an HDMI cable from computer
to big screen TV, this supports
audio-over-HDMI-cable. (Not needed)
Graphics Driver - You need this one :-)
3D Vision Driver - 3D glasses (red/green), 144Hz monitor,
three dimensional projections.
(Not needed. Needs 3D glasses.
Needs good monitor.)
ShadowPlay - Record 3D gameplay as a video.
(Not needed)

There might be two or three more items. I hope you can
see the trend here :-)

If the Microsoft driver installs, it might turn all the
boxes on. Then, if one box fails, the driver install
gets marked as a "Big Fail". If you install the
driver yourself, from geforce.com , *you* get to
do a Custom install, and control the boxes.

And please, write up some notes for yourself.
You're going to be doing this one over and over again.
Give it time, and Microsoft is going to jam another
driver in there. And you'll be cleaning up after them.

HTH,
Paul
  #36  
Old July 26th 16, 07:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
Remember the Nvidia update that won't
complete because it had to be updated
from the Nvidia site? So maybe it is
the Video card?

http://i64.tinypic.com/6ftgts.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2yoxtdz.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2ykddsl.jpg

I didn't download it yet because I wanted
to wait and see what you wanted me to do.

Robert


You have a GT 620. The box settings might look
like this. (The M in your picture, is for Mobile
and laptops, while you want a nice desktop package.)

https://s31.postimg.org/a4rbgmtdn/geforce.gif

Geforce
Geforce 600 Series
Geforce GT 620
Windows 7 64-bit
English (US)
All

This is the driver I got. 368.81 - WHQL for desktop.

http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/105033

Paul
  #37  
Old July 26th 16, 11:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default O.T. - Connection Problem:

As far as the sunburst I did disabled
Avast for 10 minutes to see if it was
causing the connection problem so that
may be why I got the yellow sunburst.


Since I cannot reach the site with the
link given I get the yellow triangle
with black exclamation mark.


http://i67.tinypic.com/4hcdi0.jpg

I downloaded the latest driver for Nvidia
version 368.81 then required me to re-start
the computer and it came back with the yellow
triangle with black exclamation point.

http://i68.tinypic.com/29du7fd.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/do8h1l.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2q3sp08.jpg


Robert


  #38  
Old July 26th 16, 11:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default O.T. - Connection Problem:

Mark Twain wrote:
As far as the sunburst I did disabled
Avast for 10 minutes to see if it was
causing the connection problem so that
may be why I got the yellow sunburst.


Since I cannot reach the site with the
link given I get the yellow triangle
with black exclamation mark.


http://i67.tinypic.com/4hcdi0.jpg

I downloaded the latest driver for Nvidia
version 368.81 then required me to re-start
the computer and it came back with the yellow
triangle with black exclamation point.

http://i68.tinypic.com/29du7fd.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/do8h1l.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2q3sp08.jpg


Robert


Install of the driver looks good. I would
not expect an NVIdia video card driver to
affect network status. Unless it installed
some disruptive helper libraries.

How many Firewalls do you have ? The Windows
Firewall might be turned on. Maybe Avast has
a Firewall ?

There is a proxy check here, to see if you
are directing queries through a proxy, rather
than directly to the Internet.

http://whatismyipaddress.com/proxy-check

IP 22.33.44.55 --- I'm on IPV4
rDNS FALSE
WIMIA Test FALSE
Tor Test FALSE
Loc Test FALSE
Header Test FALSE
DNSBL Test FALSE

I have no idea what any of those are, but the
first step is looking for an anomaly.

Paul
  #39  
Old July 27th 16, 12:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default O.T. - Connection Problem:

Here's my proxy test:

http://i64.tinypic.com/ip0dch.jpg

I believe I just have Windows Firewall in place

http://i64.tinypic.com/11a8r5k.jpg

I checked for an Avast firewall but I don't have a
Firewall icon:

http://i66.tinypic.com/9vfn0x.jpg

Robert



  #40  
Old July 27th 16, 05:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Default O.T. - Connection Problem:

I had to restart the 8500 again because
Yahoo locked everything up but it came
back with normal logon with no issues
and no yellow triangle. Perfect.

See what I mean? Sometimes it acts normally
and there's no hint of a problem and then
the next day it returns and everything is
crazy

Robert
  #41  
Old July 27th 16, 06:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Remember I told you I saw a bar on
Yahoo and MSN webpages for Windows
10 download?

Well here it is on MSN:

http://i63.tinypic.com/5lrzt4.jpg

It doesn't show it every time but I
wanted you to see it for yourself.

Robert



  #42  
Old July 27th 16, 11:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
Remember I told you I saw a bar on
Yahoo and MSN webpages for Windows
10 download?

Well here it is on MSN:

http://i63.tinypic.com/5lrzt4.jpg

It doesn't show it every time but I
wanted you to see it for yourself.

Robert


There's supposed to be another band-shaped
advertising, that goes right across the screen,
and doesn't come in via the web browser. But
so far, no one has been able to provide a screenshot
of it (catch it "in the wild").

On the MSN page, obviously Microsoft can insert
that band, into their HTML code.

On Yahoo, they could buy advertising space at the top
of the web page.

Microsoft has as much as a $1 billion advertising
budget for things like Office or their OS. But they
don't always spend all of it.

I would be more concerned, if the blue band was
outside your browser borders, because that would
imply the advertisement got there via Windows Update.
I've seen the blue band advertisement before, and
it was quite possibly while testing msn.com .

Paul
  #43  
Old July 27th 16, 04:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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1 billion,.. are you serious? That's
allot of advertising!

So what about my connection problem
where one day everything is fine and
the next I get the yellow triangle?

Just wait until I get another yellow
triangle and then approach it?

As I said, when I restarted it came up
with no issues whatsoever and everything
is working normally and I haven't logged
off since then.

Oh, after I did the Nividia update I went
back to Windows update to see if it still
showed anything for optional updates and
it was clean.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
  #44  
Old July 27th 16, 08:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default O.T. - Connection Problem:

Mark Twain wrote:
1 billion,.. are you serious? That's
allot of advertising!

So what about my connection problem
where one day everything is fine and
the next I get the yellow triangle?

Just wait until I get another yellow
triangle and then approach it?

As I said, when I restarted it came up
with no issues whatsoever and everything
is working normally and I haven't logged
off since then.

Oh, after I did the Nividia update I went
back to Windows update to see if it still
showed anything for optional updates and
it was clean.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert


There's a suggestion here, to check for Bonjour.
That's a part of iTunes. iTunes is not going
to like it, if Bonjour is removed. Bonjour
is similar to a Windows service that identifies
multimedia devices on the network, except it's
an Apple design. So would be an important
feature for a person who does a lot of streaming or
sharing with Apple devices maybe.

http://superuser.com/questions/19303...disable-enable

And I don't think it needs to be handled as described
in that article. When iTunes installs on Windows, there
are multiple entries in Windows 7 control panel
"Programs and features". And you should be able to
remove one item of the bunch of items, to remove
bonjour.

On Windows, it might be provided by a Microsoft feature
like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple...overy_Protocol

Whereas Apple software likes to do it like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_(software)

I even used to disable that on my Mac G4. Because
there were no other devices for it to talk to at
the time. (I still don't own any SmartPhones or
mobile devices.)

Paul
  #45  
Old July 28th 16, 05:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I had the malwarebytes won't start pop-up
twice when trying to boot the 8500 and
troubleshooting couldn't detect the problem.
I checked the Adaptor settings

http://i66.tinypic.com/2dqk7ea.jpg

It finally connected via yellow triangle but
I don't know how unless troubleshooting
started something?

I looked in Programs and Features and there's
no Itunes or Bonjour.

http://i67.tinypic.com/zunu9t.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/ejecle.jpg


I tried to send Agent Ransack to my desktop
for searches (Itunes/Bonjour) but it didn't
look the same but when I tried opening it,
Avast Sandbox started to run so I cancelled it.

Next I just clicked on the Agent Ransack
program itself and it gave me this.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2yo7ehv.jpg

when I clicked repair it went into the Avast
sandbox again so I cancelled it. Should I let it
complete or would it be better to just reinstall
(if you could please give me a secure link)?

I have version 37.0

In trying to resolve the problem I did a Avast
Smart scan for the 8500 and 780 and it came
back with :

http://i64.tinypic.com/2j11mdw.jpg

The 780 also had the same results. I didn't let
it resolve all problems and backed out until
you give me instructions on what to do.


Robert



 




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