Who is MVP?

"Steve Cochran" wrote in message

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See here for a list of MVPs.




http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...ward&style=toc

steve


Note: Most IE/OE MVPs are fond under:
Windows - IE/OE


I hope you meant found and not fond.

Well, maybe your experience has been different.

VBG

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Durn spelling checker. It never seems to know what I meant to type when I
accidentally type the wrong word.

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:34:33 -0400
"Frank Saunders MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote:

"Steve Cochran" wrote in message


I hope you meant found and not fond.

Durn spelling checker. It never seems to know what I meant to type when I
accidentally type the wrong word.

Who needs a spellchecker?

*SCNR*

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On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:18:27 GMT, Alun Jones [MS MVP] pondered exceedingly, then
took quill in hand and carefully composed...

| If you go check on Google, you'll see I've been providing much the same sort
| of help for the last decade, and only been an MVP in the last few months.
| Missed out on a lot of parties ;-)

In that case, Alun, and since I didn't mention it earlier: Congratulations!!!

Now you can go to all those parties. But make sure you find a "designated
driver" before, though. I understand things can get pretty wild.

Larc



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Larc,

Alun is in for a rude awakening when he attends the next MVP event! The age
of MVPs ranges from ~14 to 80+ (as of 2001 when I last attended a worldwide
MVP event), with a lot more in the gray hair/bald set than "youngsters"! So
the parties aren't anywhere near as wild as people may think! vbg

Most of us attend the few (and far between) MVP events to share our "in the
real world" knowledge (what works and what doesn't) with the MS Developers
and to learn about what new technologies they may be planning for the
future. Luckily for the end-user, there has been more emphasis on the former
than the latter lately. As a group, MVPs tend to want to see things "really
work properly" rather than new "bells and whistles"! And if someone was "a
fly on the wall" at these events, they would quickly learn that MVPs in
general are not bashful about complaining to MS about those things that
could be done better and/or more user friendly!

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"Larc" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:18:27 GMT, Alun Jones [MS MVP] pondered
exceedingly, then
took quill in hand and carefully composed...

| If you go check on Google, you'll see I've been providing much the same
sort
| of help for the last decade, and only been an MVP in the last few
months.
| Missed out on a lot of parties ;-)

In that case, Alun, and since I didn't mention it earlier:
Congratulations!!!

Now you can go to all those parties. But make sure you find a "designated
driver" before, though. I understand things can get pretty wild.

Larc



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"Now you can go to all those parties. But make sure you find a "designated
driver" before, though. I understand things can get pretty wild."

I hope the MVPs party as hard as they work, which is to say, very hard.

Mike Mulligan

"Larc" wrote in message
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Len is correct. Some MVPs go far beyond simply "not bashful". It's a very
ummm.... 'open' exchange of ideas. lol

Len Segal wrote:
Larc,

Alun is in for a rude awakening when he attends the next MVP event!
The age of MVPs ranges from ~14 to 80+ (as of 2001 when I last
attended a worldwide MVP event), with a lot more in the gray
hair/bald set than "youngsters"! So the parties aren't anywhere near
as wild as people may think! vbg

Most of us attend the few (and far between) MVP events to share our
"in the real world" knowledge (what works and what doesn't) with the
MS Developers and to learn about what new technologies they may be
planning for the future. Luckily for the end-user, there has been
more emphasis on the former than the latter lately. As a group, MVPs
tend to want to see things "really work properly" rather than new
"bells and whistles"! And if someone was "a fly on the wall" at these
events, they would quickly learn that MVPs in general are not bashful
about complaining to MS about those things that could be done better
and/or more user friendly!


"Larc" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:18:27 GMT, Alun Jones [MS MVP] pondered
exceedingly, then took quill in hand and carefully composed...

If you go check on Google, you'll see I've been providing much the
same sort of help for the last decade, and only been an MVP in the
last few months. Missed out on a lot of parties ;-)

In that case, Alun, and since I didn't mention it earlier:
Congratulations!!!

Now you can go to all those parties. But make sure you find a
"designated driver" before, though. I understand things can get
pretty wild.

Larc



§§§ - Please raise temperature of mail to reply by e-mail - §§§

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"Len Segal" wrote in message

Larc,

Alun is in for a rude awakening when he attends the next MVP event!
The age of MVPs ranges from ~14 to 80+ (as of 2001 when I last
attended a worldwide MVP event), with a lot more in the gray
hair/bald set than "youngsters"! So the parties aren't anywhere near
as wild as people may think! vbg

Most of us attend the few (and far between) MVP events to share our
"in the real world" knowledge (what works and what doesn't) with the
MS Developers and to learn about what new technologies they may be
planning for the future. Luckily for the end-user, there has been
more emphasis on the former than the latter lately. As a group, MVPs
tend to want to see things "really work properly" rather than new
"bells and whistles"! And if someone was "a fly on the wall" at these
events, they would quickly learn that MVPs in general are not bashful
about complaining to MS about those things that could be done better
and/or more user friendly!


OE MVPs especially aren't bashful about complaining. We've got a lot to
complain about.

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In article , "Frank Saunders MS-MVP,
IE/OE" wrote:
OE MVPs especially aren't bashful about complaining. We've got a lot to
complain about.

And you've had a long time to practice each complaint.

Alun.
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Frank,

Amen! I'll never forget the "shell shocked" look on one MS VP's face when he
entertained questions about IE/OE at the 2001 MVP event! He looked like he
had just walked into the MVP version of a "shock and awe campaign"! LOL

I guess someone misled him into thinking that we were going to be a
"friendly bunch" of "yes wo/men"!

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"Frank Saunders MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote in message
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Larc,

Alun is in for a rude awakening when he attends the next MVP event!
The age of MVPs ranges from ~14 to 80+ (as of 2001 when I last
attended a worldwide MVP event), with a lot more in the gray
hair/bald set than "youngsters"! So the parties aren't anywhere near
as wild as people may think! vbg

Most of us attend the few (and far between) MVP events to share our
"in the real world" knowledge (what works and what doesn't) with the
MS Developers and to learn about what new technologies they may be
planning for the future. Luckily for the end-user, there has been
more emphasis on the former than the latter lately. As a group, MVPs
tend to want to see things "really work properly" rather than new
"bells and whistles"! And if someone was "a fly on the wall" at these
events, they would quickly learn that MVPs in general are not bashful
about complaining to MS about those things that could be done better
and/or more user friendly!


OE MVPs especially aren't bashful about complaining. We've got a lot to
complain about.

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I remember that also. There was a huge groundswell. G

Didn't do any good, did it?

steve

"Len Segal" wrote in message
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Frank,

Amen! I'll never forget the "shell shocked" look on one MS VP's face when
he
entertained questions about IE/OE at the 2001 MVP event! He looked like he
had just walked into the MVP version of a "shock and awe campaign"! LOL

I guess someone misled him into thinking that we were going to be a
"friendly bunch" of "yes wo/men"!

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Len Segal, MCP
Microsoft - MVP
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"Frank Saunders MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote in message
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"Len Segal" wrote in message

Larc,

Alun is in for a rude awakening when he attends the next MVP event!
The age of MVPs ranges from ~14 to 80+ (as of 2001 when I last
attended a worldwide MVP event), with a lot more in the gray
hair/bald set than "youngsters"! So the parties aren't anywhere near
as wild as people may think! vbg

Most of us attend the few (and far between) MVP events to share our
"in the real world" knowledge (what works and what doesn't) with the
MS Developers and to learn about what new technologies they may be
planning for the future. Luckily for the end-user, there has been
more emphasis on the former than the latter lately. As a group, MVPs
tend to want to see things "really work properly" rather than new
"bells and whistles"! And if someone was "a fly on the wall" at these
events, they would quickly learn that MVPs in general are not bashful
about complaining to MS about those things that could be done better
and/or more user friendly!


OE MVPs especially aren't bashful about complaining. We've got a lot to
complain about.

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Steve,

You wanted results too? You are asking too much. g

MVPs try to influence MS, but we really don't have very much influence at
all in getting things done.

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"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
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I remember that also. There was a huge groundswell. G

Didn't do any good, did it?

steve

"Len Segal" wrote in message
...
Frank,

Amen! I'll never forget the "shell shocked" look on one MS VP's face
when
he
entertained questions about IE/OE at the 2001 MVP event! He looked like
he
had just walked into the MVP version of a "shock and awe campaign"!
LOL

I guess someone misled him into thinking that we were going to be a
"friendly bunch" of "yes wo/men"!

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Len Segal, MCP
Microsoft - MVP
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"Alun Jones [MS MVP]" wrote in message

In article , "Frank Saunders
MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote:
OE MVPs especially aren't bashful about complaining. We've got a
lot to complain about.

And you've had a long time to practice each complaint.

Alun.
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Oh, but we always have new ones. Last time it was an upgrade that caused OE
to crash while composing mail. They couldn't reproduce the problem, so some
OE MVPs showed them how. They were embarassed and became very busy.

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In ,
Steve Cochran wrote:

"Gord McFee" wrote in message
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In ,
Frank Saunders MS-MVP, IE/OE wrote:
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message

See here for a list of MVPs.





http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...ward&style=toc

steve

Note: Most IE/OE MVPs are fond under:
Windows - IE/OE

"Fond" under? Freudian slip?

I was going to bribe Bill Gates to make me an MVP, and then realized
what a stupid idea that was. :-)

You want to try and bribe one of the richest people in the world, so
you can sit in this NG and answer the same questions every day for
years?

Now why would you think that was stupid?

Actually, I had two reasons. (1) How do you bribe a guy with all that
money? (2) Why would I want to answer the same questions over and over
again? I guess I just wanted to be an MVP -- *any* MVP. :-)

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In ,
Alun Jones [MS MVP] wrote:

In article , "Gord McFee"
wrote:
I was going to bribe Bill Gates to make me an MVP, and then realized
what a stupid idea that was. :-)

Yeah - didn't you hear? All us MVPs get bribed huge amounts by BillG.

There's an MVP ranch in a corner of Texas, an MVP boat moored up by
the MVP beach house in Malibu, and an MVP apartment block in Seattle
for those of us who feel like we want to manage a Microsoft
department for a week or two. You always wondered where some of
Microsoft's wackier decisions came from, right?

Not any more. :-)

Seriously, though, even when MVPs chat privately, they all
acknowledge that they aren't really doing anything that they wouldn't
already be doing even without the MVP award. It's a recognition of
what you do helping others, not pay for a job. And I have heard so
much (mainly from the rabid fringes of Linux advocacy) about MVPs
being paid Microsoft apologists, it might not be funny for some.

If you go check on Google, you'll see I've been providing much the
same sort of help for the last decade, and only been an MVP in the
last few months. Missed out on a lot of parties ;-)

Great stuff. And, to be serious, you guys do a terrific job.

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Greetings --

Parties? There've been parties? ;-}

Bruce Chambers

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"Alun Jones [MS MVP]" wrote in message
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If you go check on Google, you'll see I've been providing much the
same sort
of help for the last decade, and only been an MVP in the last few
months.
Missed out on a lot of parties ;-)

Alun.
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