how good is the XP firewall

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:33:18 -0600, "Kelly" wrote:

Beings many of the 'greats'
are still in Win98 and never showed via XP, am really starting to wonder if
they will surface during LH. (

You mean PCR, Terhune, Colorado et al? They're really great guys and
a lot of fun to be around... PA Bear rears his head both here and
there, I see! I'm looking forward to getting to know you all in XP...
they're donning their "radiation suits" in honor of my passing over
from 98 to XP, but if I mind my manners... they say they'll still let
me post there too.

sf
wondering what LH is

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:38:41 -0800, "Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)"
wrote:

Yes, the goal of keeping it simple seems to have been lost over the years.
That and it seems the system designers have forgotten the greatest single
reason for devices such as PCs and virtually all modern appliances,
"convenience."

We don't purchase a PC to work on it, we purchase a PC to work for us. If a
user wishes to work on it, there are plenty of options for the "backyard
mechanic" and he certainly can purchase a PC for whatever reason. However,
the primary reason these devices exist is to provide us with a convenience
and perform services for us.

Thanks, Michael! Now can you inform all the makers of remote conrols,
telephones (I have one where I can't screen calls or access the
mailboxes), video recorders etc about this? Apparently they got a
memo saying that all users will have a technical engineering
background.


sf

Right on Buddy! Remember 2001 and Hitch-Hicker? I know Hal turned out to be
a bad'un and Hitch, well....... But oh for the day when I'll be able to look
at the thing and say "Right, Chum, open that file with the bank stuff on it
and take some dictation, bring up those photos I started work on last
eek - or was it the week before, have a dozen roses delivered to the lady
in my life and, oh yes, send a small, but lethal, plasma bolt through that
spammer who keeps making a pest of itself" and have it all done without any
interactive back chat from bits of silicon1
RoS

ROFLOL, I'll see what I can do!

Actually, I've been watching this aspect of telephones with some amusement,
whoops, amazement and those who have designed these new contraptions (Didn't
Don Ameche invent the first one, I'm sure I saw him do it in a movie?)
definitely seem to think the users have engineering degrees.

You know there's a problem when you hear users say, "Oh, I just let my kids
program the thing for me!"

Telephones used to be the simplest of devices, making them perennially one
of the most useful of "modern" conveniences. It's unfortunate we now have a
new category we can call "modern inconveniences" to which programmable
telephones certainly belong.

When I was growing up, I had a friend who was an airline pilot. They were
used to doing their calculations on sliderules and such. Then. computers
were brought into the mix and after a few hassles with them, he began
calling them "Confusers."

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol.

Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


"sf" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:38:41 -0800, "Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)"
wrote:

Yes, the goal of keeping it simple seems to have been lost over the years.
That and it seems the system designers have forgotten the greatest single
reason for devices such as PCs and virtually all modern appliances,
"convenience."

We don't purchase a PC to work on it, we purchase a PC to work for us. If
a
user wishes to work on it, there are plenty of options for the "backyard
mechanic" and he certainly can purchase a PC for whatever reason.
However,
the primary reason these devices exist is to provide us with a convenience
and perform services for us.

Thanks, Michael! Now can you inform all the makers of remote conrols,
telephones (I have one where I can't screen calls or access the
mailboxes), video recorders etc about this? Apparently they got a
memo saying that all users will have a technical engineering
background.


sf

Excuse me, Hal wasn't bad, he was just programmed that way!:-)

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol.

Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


"RoS" wrote in message
...
Right on Buddy! Remember 2001 and Hitch-Hicker? I know Hal turned out to
be
a bad'un and Hitch, well....... But oh for the day when I'll be able to
look
at the thing and say "Right, Chum, open that file with the bank stuff on
it
and take some dictation, bring up those photos I started work on last
eek - or was it the week before, have a dozen roses delivered to the lady
in my life and, oh yes, send a small, but lethal, plasma bolt through that
spammer who keeps making a pest of itself" and have it all done without
any
interactive back chat from bits of silicon1
RoS

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:45:46 -0700, "Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)"
wrote:

he began calling them "Confusers."

:0

That's what my father calls a computer... and I thought it was his
invention all this time!





"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude"

"If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds...we [will] have no time to think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for another till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery.

"And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that and in its train wretchedness and oppression." - Thomas Jefferson - Author of The Declaration of Independence, Founding Father and Third U.S. President

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:46:40 -0700, "Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)"
wrote:

Excuse me, Hal wasn't bad, he was just programmed that way!:-)

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that."
http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/aso/


"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude"

"If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds...we [will] have no time to think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for another till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery.

"And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that and in its train wretchedness and oppression." - Thomas Jefferson - Author of The Declaration of Independence, Founding Father and Third U.S. President

Terrific site, I'm a rather big fan of the film myself. My line about "HAL"
(which for those of you who don't know was an acronym formed from Heuristic
ALgorithmic which was a reference to the HAL 9000's ability to "learn" and
build on data from input) was a reference to the line in "Who Framed Roger
Rabbit?" "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way.":-)
--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol.

Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


"sf" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:46:40 -0700, "Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)"
wrote:

Excuse me, Hal wasn't bad, he was just programmed that way!:-)

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that."
http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/aso/


"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our
election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude"

"If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our
drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our
amusements, for our calling and our creeds...we [will] have no time to
think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to
obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks
of our fellow-sufferers. And this is the tendency of all human
governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a
precedent for another till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere
automatons of misery.

"And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation
follows that and in its train wretchedness and oppression." - Thomas
Jefferson - Author of The Declaration of Independence, Founding Father and
Third U.S. President

"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote in message

Terrific site, I'm a rather big fan of the film myself. My line about
"HAL"
(which for those of you who don't know was an acronym formed from
Heuristic
ALgorithmic which was a reference to the HAL 9000's ability to "learn" and
build on data from input) was a reference to the line in "Who Framed Roger
Rabbit?" "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way.":-)

I wish I could get a DVD of the long (more than 3 hour) version.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
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Protect your PC
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Frank, the run time of its official theatrical release is 139 minutes. My
DVD version is listed as 148 minutes but it includes the intro that ran
against a black screen as the house lights dimmed and the intermission.
That said, it did premiere at 156 minutes, 2 hours and 36 minutes, again, I
don't know if that time includes the intro and intermission since run time
is usually considered to be from studio logo to final credit and often
excludes intermissions if any. After the premiere, some additional editing
was done on the film. I don't recall there ever being a theatrical release
at longer than 156 minutes.

There might have been one longer version prior to the official US premier of
the film. MGM was nervous about the length and Kubrick upon first seeing
the film also expressed a desire to tighten it up a bit.

I'll have to time the version I have to see how long it runs, intro,
intermission and film to the end of the print.

I have a vague recollection of a nearly 3 hour release on video tape.
However, if such a print ever existed, I doubt it will ever be released on
DVD. Some years ago there was a fire at the MGM vault and many masters were
destroyed. It took several years before the official theatrical release
version of 2001 was fully and properly restored. Because of the fire, there
were also several copies of 2001 around with incorrect footage as MGM had
apparently attempted to piece it back together from various bits and pieces
of stray footage they had.

I've also seen incorrect versions on various premium movie channels, not
only of 2001 but also "Close Encounters" and some others. When I've
inquired about this, I was told these were the versions supplied to them by
the distributors. It should be noted, these films don't always come to the
premium movie channels directly from the studios, they also come from
distributors who may "sell" a group of films in a package. I could give you
a long explanation of why this is and how it can interfere with the
"integrity" of the film but I've already strayed way off-topic!:-)

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol.

Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP" wrote in message
...
"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote in message

Terrific site, I'm a rather big fan of the film myself. My line about
"HAL"
(which for those of you who don't know was an acronym formed from
Heuristic
ALgorithmic which was a reference to the HAL 9000's ability to "learn"
and
build on data from input) was a reference to the line in "Who Framed
Roger
Rabbit?" "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way.":-)

I wish I could get a DVD of the long (more than 3 hour) version.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/sec...t/default.aspx
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/

"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote in message

Frank, the run time of its official theatrical release is 139 minutes. My
DVD version is listed as 148 minutes but it includes the intro that ran
against a black screen as the house lights dimmed and the intermission.
That said, it did premiere at 156 minutes, 2 hours and 36 minutes, again,
I
don't know if that time includes the intro and intermission since run time
is usually considered to be from studio logo to final credit and often
excludes intermissions if any. After the premiere, some additional
editing
was done on the film. I don't recall there ever being a theatrical
release
at longer than 156 minutes.

There might have been one longer version prior to the official US premier
of
the film. MGM was nervous about the length and Kubrick upon first seeing
the film also expressed a desire to tighten it up a bit.

I'll have to time the version I have to see how long it runs, intro,
intermission and film to the end of the print.

I have a vague recollection of a nearly 3 hour release on video tape.
However, if such a print ever existed, I doubt it will ever be released on
DVD. Some years ago there was a fire at the MGM vault and many masters
were
destroyed. It took several years before the official theatrical release
version of 2001 was fully and properly restored. Because of the fire,
there
were also several copies of 2001 around with incorrect footage as MGM had
apparently attempted to piece it back together from various bits and
pieces
of stray footage they had.

I saw it in Cinerama and it was considerably longer. Admittedly, most of
the additional footage was the first part with the apes and the later part
of satellites with Strauss playing in the background.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
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http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/

I first saw it in Cinerama as well. You might be right. As I recall, there
were a couple of rounds of additional editing not long after it was
released. The initial release was "roadshow" and I believe, only in
Cinerama equipped theatres. It might have been edited when it went into
wide release.

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol.

Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote in message
...
"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote in message

Frank, the run time of its official theatrical release is 139 minutes.
My
DVD version is listed as 148 minutes but it includes the intro that ran
against a black screen as the house lights dimmed and the intermission.
That said, it did premiere at 156 minutes, 2 hours and 36 minutes, again,
I
don't know if that time includes the intro and intermission since run
time
is usually considered to be from studio logo to final credit and often
excludes intermissions if any. After the premiere, some additional
editing
was done on the film. I don't recall there ever being a theatrical
release
at longer than 156 minutes.

There might have been one longer version prior to the official US premier
of
the film. MGM was nervous about the length and Kubrick upon first seeing
the film also expressed a desire to tighten it up a bit.

I'll have to time the version I have to see how long it runs, intro,
intermission and film to the end of the print.

I have a vague recollection of a nearly 3 hour release on video tape.
However, if such a print ever existed, I doubt it will ever be released
on
DVD. Some years ago there was a fire at the MGM vault and many masters
were
destroyed. It took several years before the official theatrical release
version of 2001 was fully and properly restored. Because of the fire,
there
were also several copies of 2001 around with incorrect footage as MGM had
apparently attempted to piece it back together from various bits and
pieces
of stray footage they had.

I saw it in Cinerama and it was considerably longer. Admittedly, most of
the additional footage was the first part with the apes and the later part
of satellites with Strauss playing in the background.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/sec...t/default.aspx
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/