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November 9th 08, 07:41 AM
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Windows XP SP-3
eMachine T3306 (AMD SempronT 3300+ Processor) purchased 2-2006 Please help. I posted my operating system first to deter the newsgroup police ("this isn't a hardware group") long enough for the excellent experienced computer experts in this group to help or tell to give up & stick a fork in it. This is my wife's computer. I turned it off last night; all was normal. On the way to driving my son to his baseball game, I get a call from my wife that her computer does not turn on when she presses the button. When I got home, sure enough, when I press the power button I can hear an electronic popping noise from the speakers but nothing else; power supply did not turn on. Suspecting the power supply, I removed it & hooked it up to my daughters much newer eMachine (just to the motherboard connectors, no drives), pressed the power button & the power supply immediately powered up & all system fans spun up. I figure the power supply is good. Back to the dead computer, I reinstall the power supply, remove & reseat the CPU & press the power button. Now the case fan & CPU fan spin for 2 seconds & stop. Excited, I press the button again & it is back to square one: speaker "popping". Later on, dejected & dreading the process of buying a new computer & transitioning all the data & programs (this is my wife's nerve center of the household), I put the heat sink assembly/fan back on to close things up & pressed the power button again for old time's sake. Once again, the case & CPU fans spin for 2 seconds & stop, never to start again on repeated power button presses. What's going on?! Is the motherboard bad or not getting information from a bad CPU? Or is it something totally unrelated to an amateur. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rich S. 
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November 9th 08, 10:19 AM
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Motherboard or cpu failure, more likely mobo.
Try opening case & reseating all connections, including fans BTW you can move data but you cannot, in general move programs, programs need to be reinstalled from instalation media "Rich" wrote in message ... Windows XP SP-3 eMachine T3306 (AMD SempronT 3300+ Processor) purchased 2-2006 Please help. I posted my operating system first to deter the newsgroup police ("this isn't a hardware group") long enough for the excellent experienced computer experts in this group to help or tell to give up & stick a fork in it. This is my wife's computer. I turned it off last night; all was normal. On the way to driving my son to his baseball game, I get a call from my wife that her computer does not turn on when she presses the button. When I got home, sure enough, when I press the power button I can hear an electronic popping noise from the speakers but nothing else; power supply did not turn on. Suspecting the power supply, I removed it & hooked it up to my daughters much newer eMachine (just to the motherboard connectors, no drives), pressed the power button & the power supply immediately powered up & all system fans spun up. I figure the power supply is good. Back to the dead computer, I reinstall the power supply, remove & reseat the CPU & press the power button. Now the case fan & CPU fan spin for 2 seconds & stop. Excited, I press the button again & it is back to square one: speaker "popping". Later on, dejected & dreading the process of buying a new computer & transitioning all the data & programs (this is my wife's nerve center of the household), I put the heat sink assembly/fan back on to close things up & pressed the power button again for old time's sake. Once again, the case & CPU fans spin for 2 seconds & stop, never to start again on repeated power button presses. What's going on?! Is the motherboard bad or not getting information from a bad CPU? Or is it something totally unrelated to an amateur. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rich S.
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November 9th 08, 11:13 AM
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"DL" address@invalid wrote in message
... Motherboard or cpu failure, more likely mobo. Try opening case & reseating all connections, including fans BTW you can move data but you cannot, in general move programs, programs need to be reinstalled from instalation media "Rich" wrote in message ... Windows XP SP-3 eMachine T3306 (AMD SempronT 3300+ Processor) purchased 2-2006 Please help. I posted my operating system first to deter the newsgroup police ("this isn't a hardware group") long enough for the excellent experienced computer experts in this group to help or tell to give up & stick a fork in it. This is my wife's computer. I turned it off last night; all was normal. On the way to driving my son to his baseball game, I get a call from my wife that her computer does not turn on when she presses the button. When I got home, sure enough, when I press the power button I can hear an electronic popping noise from the speakers but nothing else; power supply did not turn on. Suspecting the power supply, I removed it & hooked it up to my daughters much newer eMachine (just to the motherboard connectors, no drives), pressed the power button & the power supply immediately powered up & all system fans spun up. I figure the power supply is good. Back to the dead computer, I reinstall the power supply, remove & reseat the CPU & press the power button. Now the case fan & CPU fan spin for 2 seconds & stop. Excited, I press the button again & it is back to square one: speaker "popping". Later on, dejected & dreading the process of buying a new computer & transitioning all the data & programs (this is my wife's nerve center of the household), I put the heat sink assembly/fan back on to close things up & pressed the power button again for old time's sake. Once again, the case & CPU fans spin for 2 seconds & stop, never to start again on repeated power button presses. What's going on?! Is the motherboard bad or not getting information from a bad CPU? Or is it something totally unrelated to an amateur. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rich S. In order to more isolate the problem, you have to take some steps towards isolation. Remove all external peripherals including printers, external hard drive, usb flash drive, mouse, and keyboard. If the PC now starts POST but protests lack of keyboard, turn it off. Plug in the keyboard, and try it again. If you have the old symptoms, you know the problem. If this part of isolation doesn't resolve anything, try removing all hard drives and CD devices. No change, remove all add-on cards except video card if you have one. If you've come this far, and all external peripherals are removed and all removable internals, you can reasonably conclude its one or more of the ram, cpu, or mobo, or video card. An exception would be a chassis ground problem. To eliminate that, remove the motherboard from the case and set it on suitably sized piece of cardboard or other insulating material. If you don't have any experience with from scratch PC assembly/disassembly, don't do it. Leave the RAM and CPU in place. Leave the monitor connected. Connect the power supply and make conducting contact with the proper pins on the motherboard to power it up. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe.
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November 9th 08, 11:32 AM
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"Rich" wrote in message ... Windows XP SP-3 eMachine T3306 (AMD SempronT 3300+ Processor) purchased 2-2006 I do a lot of computer repair and unfortunately find that most of the eMachines I get in have bad motherboards. You'de have to do a bit more checking to be 100% sure... but they do have a rather poor history in that area. The only good news though, is the harddrive is more than likely perfectly good, so all your data are still there. The drive can be slaved to another machine for retrieval Please help. I posted my operating system first to deter the newsgroup police ("this isn't a hardware group") long enough for the excellent experienced computer experts in this group to help or tell to give up & stick a fork in it. This is my wife's computer. I turned it off last night; all was normal. On the way to driving my son to his baseball game, I get a call from my wife that her computer does not turn on when she presses the button. When I got home, sure enough, when I press the power button I can hear an electronic popping noise from the speakers but nothing else; power supply did not turn on. Suspecting the power supply, I removed it & hooked it up to my daughters much newer eMachine (just to the motherboard connectors, no drives), pressed the power button & the power supply immediately powered up & all system fans spun up. I figure the power supply is good. Back to the dead computer, I reinstall the power supply, remove & reseat the CPU & press the power button. Now the case fan & CPU fan spin for 2 seconds & stop. Excited, I press the button again & it is back to square one: speaker "popping". Later on, dejected & dreading the process of buying a new computer & transitioning all the data & programs (this is my wife's nerve center of the household), I put the heat sink assembly/fan back on to close things up & pressed the power button again for old time's sake. Once again, the case & CPU fans spin for 2 seconds & stop, never to start again on repeated power button presses. What's going on?! Is the motherboard bad or not getting information from a bad CPU? Or is it something totally unrelated to an amateur. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rich S.
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November 9th 08, 07:39 PM
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"Lil' Dave" wrote in message ... "DL" address@invalid wrote in message ... Motherboard or cpu failure, more likely mobo. Try opening case & reseating all connections, including fans BTW you can move data but you cannot, in general move programs, programs need to be reinstalled from instalation media "Rich" wrote in message ... Windows XP SP-3 eMachine T3306 (AMD SempronT 3300+ Processor) purchased 2-2006 Please help. I posted my operating system first to deter the newsgroup police ("this isn't a hardware group") long enough for the excellent experienced computer experts in this group to help or tell to give up & stick a fork in it. This is my wife's computer. I turned it off last night; all was normal. On the way to driving my son to his baseball game, I get a call from my wife that her computer does not turn on when she presses the button. When I got home, sure enough, when I press the power button I can hear an electronic popping noise from the speakers but nothing else; power supply did not turn on. Suspecting the power supply, I removed it & hooked it up to my daughters much newer eMachine (just to the motherboard connectors, no drives), pressed the power button & the power supply immediately powered up & all system fans spun up. I figure the power supply is good. Back to the dead computer, I reinstall the power supply, remove & reseat the CPU & press the power button. Now the case fan & CPU fan spin for 2 seconds & stop. Excited, I press the button again & it is back to square one: speaker "popping". Later on, dejected & dreading the process of buying a new computer & transitioning all the data & programs (this is my wife's nerve center of the household), I put the heat sink assembly/fan back on to close things up & pressed the power button again for old time's sake. Once again, the case & CPU fans spin for 2 seconds & stop, never to start again on repeated power button presses. What's going on?! Is the motherboard bad or not getting information from a bad CPU? Or is it something totally unrelated to an amateur. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rich S. In order to more isolate the problem, you have to take some steps towards isolation. Remove all external peripherals including printers, external hard drive, usb flash drive, mouse, and keyboard. If the PC now starts POST but protests lack of keyboard, turn it off. Plug in the keyboard, and try it again. If you have the old symptoms, you know the problem. If this part of isolation doesn't resolve anything, try removing all hard drives and CD devices. No change, remove all add-on cards except video card if you have one. If you've come this far, and all external peripherals are removed and all removable internals, you can reasonably conclude its one or more of the ram, cpu, or mobo, or video card. An exception would be a chassis ground problem. To eliminate that, remove the motherboard from the case and set it on suitably sized piece of cardboard or other insulating material. If you don't have any experience with from scratch PC assembly/disassembly, don't do it. Leave the RAM and CPU in place. Leave the monitor connected. Connect the power supply and make conducting contact with the proper pins on the motherboard to power it up. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe. First of all thanks to all of you who took the time to reply. I already had a computer picked out to buy quickly from Best Buy. While I could troubleshoot & replace a motherboard, the time it would take precluded the need to have a working computer up & running almost immediately. Also, the time & expense invested in a 3 year old $400 computer isn't worth it. So, despite being sure it had to be the motherboard, I regardless proceeded to go through the motions of disconnecting everything except the video card, pressed the power button & naturally the computer proceeded to boot. I finally narrowed it down to a 4 port USB hub. Based on the symptoms, I never would have assumed a simple device like that would stop a computer cold overnight. Thanks Again, Rich S.
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November 9th 08, 07:45 PM
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snip Rich S. In order to more isolate the problem, you have to take some steps towards isolation. Remove all external peripherals including printers, external hard drive, usb flash drive, mouse, and keyboard. If the PC now starts POST but protests lack of keyboard, turn it off. Plug in the keyboard, and try it again. If you have the old symptoms, you know the problem. If this part of isolation doesn't resolve anything, try removing all hard drives and CD devices. No change, remove all add-on cards except video card if you have one. If you've come this far, and all external peripherals are removed and all removable internals, you can reasonably conclude its one or more of the ram, cpu, or mobo, or video card. An exception would be a chassis ground problem. To eliminate that, remove the motherboard from the case and set it on suitably sized piece of cardboard or other insulating material. If you don't have any experience with from scratch PC assembly/disassembly, don't do it. Leave the RAM and CPU in place. Leave the monitor connected. Connect the power supply and make conducting contact with the proper pins on the motherboard to power it up. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe. First of all thanks to all of you who took the time to reply. I already had a computer picked out to buy quickly from Best Buy. While I could troubleshoot & replace a motherboard, the time it would take precluded the need to have a working computer up & running almost immediately. Also, the time & expense invested in a 3 year old $400 computer isn't worth it. So, despite being sure it had to be the motherboard, I regardless proceeded to go through the motions of disconnecting everything except the video card, pressed the power button & naturally the computer proceeded to boot. I finally narrowed it down to a 4 port USB hub. Based on the symptoms, I never would have assumed a simple device like that would stop a computer cold overnight. Thanks Again, Rich S. Good trouble-shooting on your part and thanks for posting back
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November 10th 08, 01:52 PM
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"Rich" wrote in message
... "Lil' Dave" wrote in message ... "DL" address@invalid wrote in message ... Motherboard or cpu failure, more likely mobo. Try opening case & reseating all connections, including fans BTW you can move data but you cannot, in general move programs, programs need to be reinstalled from instalation media "Rich" wrote in message ... Windows XP SP-3 eMachine T3306 (AMD SempronT 3300+ Processor) purchased 2-2006 Please help. I posted my operating system first to deter the newsgroup police ("this isn't a hardware group") long enough for the excellent experienced computer experts in this group to help or tell to give up & stick a fork in it. This is my wife's computer. I turned it off last night; all was normal. On the way to driving my son to his baseball game, I get a call from my wife that her computer does not turn on when she presses the button. When I got home, sure enough, when I press the power button I can hear an electronic popping noise from the speakers but nothing else; power supply did not turn on. Suspecting the power supply, I removed it & hooked it up to my daughters much newer eMachine (just to the motherboard connectors, no drives), pressed the power button & the power supply immediately powered up & all system fans spun up. I figure the power supply is good. Back to the dead computer, I reinstall the power supply, remove & reseat the CPU & press the power button. Now the case fan & CPU fan spin for 2 seconds & stop. Excited, I press the button again & it is back to square one: speaker "popping". Later on, dejected & dreading the process of buying a new computer & transitioning all the data & programs (this is my wife's nerve center of the household), I put the heat sink assembly/fan back on to close things up & pressed the power button again for old time's sake. Once again, the case & CPU fans spin for 2 seconds & stop, never to start again on repeated power button presses. What's going on?! Is the motherboard bad or not getting information from a bad CPU? Or is it something totally unrelated to an amateur. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rich S. In order to more isolate the problem, you have to take some steps towards isolation. Remove all external peripherals including printers, external hard drive, usb flash drive, mouse, and keyboard. If the PC now starts POST but protests lack of keyboard, turn it off. Plug in the keyboard, and try it again. If you have the old symptoms, you know the problem. If this part of isolation doesn't resolve anything, try removing all hard drives and CD devices. No change, remove all add-on cards except video card if you have one. If you've come this far, and all external peripherals are removed and all removable internals, you can reasonably conclude its one or more of the ram, cpu, or mobo, or video card. An exception would be a chassis ground problem. To eliminate that, remove the motherboard from the case and set it on suitably sized piece of cardboard or other insulating material. If you don't have any experience with from scratch PC assembly/disassembly, don't do it. Leave the RAM and CPU in place. Leave the monitor connected. Connect the power supply and make conducting contact with the proper pins on the motherboard to power it up. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe. First of all thanks to all of you who took the time to reply. I already had a computer picked out to buy quickly from Best Buy. While I could troubleshoot & replace a motherboard, the time it would take precluded the need to have a working computer up & running almost immediately. Also, the time & expense invested in a 3 year old $400 computer isn't worth it. So, despite being sure it had to be the motherboard, I regardless proceeded to go through the motions of disconnecting everything except the video card, pressed the power button & naturally the computer proceeded to boot. I finally narrowed it down to a 4 port USB hub. Based on the symptoms, I never would have assumed a simple device like that would stop a computer cold overnight. Thanks Again, Rich S. Glad to hear you got it going again. For me anyway, if I bought a new OEM PC, I would have to consider both what 3rd party software came with it, and time and effort it would take me to glean all the useless windows boot items on such a machine. And removing all the 3rd party software that simply didn't want. Some may be stubborn like some AV software that doesn't appeal to me. 3rd party firewalls that impede internet usage. 3rd party software with limited functionality is another example that I simply don't like. Some 3rd party "gotcha" software running in the background that may cause problems in the future. The list goes on. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe.
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November 11th 08, 05:26 AM
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Based on the symptoms, I never would have assumed a simple device like that would stop a computer cold overnight. Thanks Again, Rich S. Glad to hear you got it going again. For me anyway, if I bought a new OEM PC, I would have to consider both what 3rd party software came with it, and time and effort it would take me to glean all the useless windows boot items on such a machine. And removing all the 3rd party software that simply didn't want. Some may be stubborn like some AV software that doesn't appeal to me. 3rd party firewalls that impede internet usage. 3rd party software with limited functionality is another example that I simply don't like. Some 3rd party "gotcha" software running in the background that may cause problems in the future. The list goes on. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe. Definitely, if I were buying a computer for myself, that would be my same reaction. However, I am the amateur IT support for a home network of 4 computers for myself, wife & two kids. If you are married you would know that in that IT support role, if a meteorite came through the roof of our house & struck my wife's computer it would be my fault & then annoyance that I can not correct the problem & get the smoking pile of molten metal to boot to my wife's desktop. So, my point is, when I purchase a new computer for my wife, I set it up, make sure it boots to the desktop & back away from the computer. At that point, installation of our own software &/or removal of existing bloatware will be performed by me only by my wife's request. I then will proceed only after she recites the disclaimer that she is requesting the action & accepts full responsibility for any consequences. I learned my lesson being self-taught on computer hardware & software since 1994:-)
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