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On Friday, December 20, 2013 11:37:47 AM UTC-6, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Andy

writes:

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I am sorry about the extra line feeds.



I have tried numerous times to get a newsreader working, but never had

any luck.



Andy



Tell us which one, and the problems you have, and I'm sure we'll be able

to help. (Thunderbird is probably the one with most users, even if it

isn't the best 'reader.)

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I installed Thunderbird and would like to get it setup with some free newsgroup server.

Andy

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Andy
writes:
[]
I am sorry about the extra line feeds.

I have tried numerous times to get a newsreader working, but never had
any luck.

Andy

Tell us which one, and the problems you have, and I'm sure we'll be able
to help. (Thunderbird is probably the one with most users, even if it
isn't the best 'reader.)

Well if he's using Windows XP, he could simply use Outlook Express (and
OE-Quotefix). As for Vista, I know they replaced OE with Windows Mail, but
I don't know if that comes with a newsreader.

Yes, he could try Thunderbird, or maybe one of the smaller dedicated freebie
newreader programs, of which there are several to choose from. But then he
needs to subscribe to a NNTP service, instead of relying on Google

In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Andy
writes:
[]
I am sorry about the extra line feeds.

I have tried numerous times to get a newsreader working, but never had
any luck.

Andy

Tell us which one, and the problems you have, and I'm sure we'll be able
to help. (Thunderbird is probably the one with most users, even if it
isn't the best 'reader.)

Well if he's using Windows XP, he could simply use Outlook Express (and
OE-Quotefix). As for Vista, I know they replaced OE with Windows Mail, but
I don't know if that comes with a newsreader.

Yes, he could try Thunderbird, or maybe one of the smaller dedicated freebie
newreader programs, of which there are several to choose from. But then he
needs to subscribe to a NNTP service, instead of relying on Google


Well, he said he'd tried and not succeeded: I thought we could help him
along the way. (Including the NNTP subscription.) So if you're still
reading this, Andy ...
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press charges." - Jack Handey

Andy wrote:


I installed Thunderbird and would like to get it setup with some free newsgroup server.

Andy

http://hdc.tamu.edu/Connecting/Usene...hunderbird.php

Change the server to nntp.aioe.org port 119.

That server requires no username/password and you don't have to
sign up. On the other hand, the server has filters to try to
control spam, and they can make things difficult on occasion.
There is a limit of 25 posts per day (or so).

The filter rules are not spelled out in great detail. If
you have a "symptom" or "unhelpful status message", I can
kinda guess at the meaning for you. AIOE is my backup server
right now.

News servers typically have a page with the details of what
address and port to use.

http://www.aioe.org/

*******

Other servers, you sign up for them. Using an email account
where you can receive any feedback from the administrator.

You can actually operate eternal-september.org without
authentication and without an account. But if you do so,
the newsgroup list is limited to just a handful of groups.
There is an eternal-september.support group, where if you
had to, you could ask questions of the administrator. Because
that admin gets regularly trolled though, don't expect him to
play "tech support" with you - that gets tiring after a while.

To test that un-authenticated access works, and you can reach
the server, the details are here.

http://www.eternal-september.org/ind...wpage=techinfo

news.eternal-september.org port 119

Port 119 is un-encrypted, and is suitable for a quick test
that you can reach the server. The server is mainly text only,
and is not a "leech site for movies" or anything. He doesn't
have the bandwidth to give away for free, to have people download
multiple DVDs per day. A commercial USENET site and a block account
are available, if you want to do that.

Once you get your userid and password sorted out with E-S...

http://www.eternal-september.org/Reg...hp?language=en

you can then click the "Always Request Authentication" box in
the server setup pane of Thunderbird. The way username/password
works on news servers, seems to be that the client "volunteers"
the information. That is, if the user expects to get connected. You
would think an NNTP server would just prompt for a password
itself, but I think the problem with that idea, is it requires
a persistent TCP/IP connection, and ties up an entry in
the server. That makes it non-scalable. (You could DDOS the
NNTP server, if it worked that way.) In the case of E-S,
the server design actually drops connections quite rapidly,
so connections do not persist for very long even when you're
doing stuff. That means, you store the password in Thunderbird,
and Thunderbird is re-connecting, over and over again, as you work.
(Sending the password, again and again.) You can watch this with
a packet sniffer like Wireshark, if you want to see how the
protocol works with that server.

Tricks like that are necessary, because thousands of users can be
hosted by one server, and it uses up memory for each connection.
The server can only scale, if resource usage is minimal. Even if
it means more packets need be exchanged, per operation carried out.
Perhaps there are 10,000 users who think they are using the server,
but only 1000 connections at a time, as the users are rapidly
time multiplexed. If the connections were perfectly persistent,
there would be 10,000 connections while people are typing, and
it would use ten times as much server memory.

I'd make you a "setup film strip" and post it on Imageshack.us, but
that site has gone to registered access only, and I don't
sign up for crap I don't need. My other image server, has a max
image size, that gets in the way of my fun. So I can no longer
do the illustrated help things I used to.

You never know, there could be a Youtube video with
an example of someone setting up one of those clients.
I'm not a big Youtube user, so I'll leave that hunt to you.

Paul

On 20 Dec 2013, Andy wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I installed Thunderbird and would like to get it setup with some
free newsgroup server.

What have you tried so far? At want point did things fail?

Nil wrote:
On 20 Dec 2013, Andy wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I installed Thunderbird and would like to get it setup with some
free newsgroup server.

What have you tried so far? At want point did things fail?

I think he could start with the one Paul mentioned, AIOE (nntp.aoie.org).
No registration was required as I recall. I have that as a backup
newsserver, and it worked fine for text postings, and was quite easy to
setup and configure. I haven't been using it since, however, since I still
have this earthlink account.

In message , Paul
writes:
Andy wrote:

I installed Thunderbird and would like to get it setup with some
free newsgroup server.
Andy

As Nil said, it'd probably be useful if you told us what you have tried
and where it went wrong. [I'm assuming you have a normal broadband (not
dial-up) connection.] Did you fill in eternal-september's signup
webpage, for example? (And get a reply, or not?)

http://hdc.tamu.edu/Connecting/Usene..._Up_a_Newsgrou
p_Account_in_Thunderbird.php

Change the server to nntp.aioe.org port 119.

That server requires no username/password and you don't have to
sign up. On the other hand, the server has filters to try to
control spam, and they can make things difficult on occasion.
There is a limit of 25 posts per day (or so).

And simply _because_ it allows anyone in, posters using it are sometimes
viewed with suspicion. Personally, I'd start with eternal-september, as
I didn't have any trouble doing so, but aioe may be simpler to test with
- though e-s does have a non-sign-up test mode as paul describes below.

Did you _try_ to get an account with any free NNTP server (such as e-s)?
If so, what went wrong?
[]
News servers typically have a page with the details of what
address and port to use.

http://www.aioe.org/

*******

Other servers, you sign up for them. Using an email account
where you can receive any feedback from the administrator.

(In the case of e-s, from what I remember, the email reply containing
the necessary details wasn't instant, in the sense of machine-generated;
although I think it _was_ a standard form, it did take a few hours to
come after I'd filled in the web form, suggesting a human had triggered
its sending.)

You can actually operate eternal-september.org without
authentication and without an account. But if you do so,
the newsgroup list is limited to just a handful of groups.

(Handful is right - about five, IIRR.) Of which most if not all are to
do with e-s itself. But I suppose it's as good a way of testing as any.

There is an eternal-september.support group, where if you
had to, you could ask questions of the administrator. Because
that admin gets regularly trolled though, don't expect him to
play "tech support" with you - that gets tiring after a while.

To test that un-authenticated access works, and you can reach
the server, the details are here.

http://www.eternal-september.org/ind...wpage=techinfo

news.eternal-september.org port 119

Port 119 is un-encrypted, and is suitable for a quick test
that you can reach the server. The server is mainly text only,
and is not a "leech site for movies" or anything. He doesn't
have the bandwidth to give away for free, to have people download
multiple DVDs per day. A commercial USENET site and a block account
are available, if you want to do that.

Yes, for binary newsgroups, there are lots of commercial news providers.
The cheapest I know of is Tera News (http://www.teranews.com/), who have
several levels of service - I don't know how their other ones compare,
but their cheapest costs $3.95 to sign up and is free thereafter for
ever. (That has some daily limit, but I've never hit it.) They also have
a totally free (and no sign up process), but download only and capped at
128kbit - see http://www.teranews.com/free.html. (I never tried that.)

Once you get your userid and password sorted out with E-S...

http://www.eternal-september.org/Reg...hp?language=en

you can then click the "Always Request Authentication" box in
the server setup pane of Thunderbird. The way username/password
[interesting bit about how NNTP servers do authentication snipped; I
didn't know that, but you don't need it to use one.]

I'd make you a "setup film strip" and post it on Imageshack.us, but
that site has gone to registered access only, and I don't
sign up for crap I don't need. My other image server, has a max
image size, that gets in the way of my fun. So I can no longer
do the illustrated help things I used to.

Pity, those were useful.

You never know, there could be a Youtube video with
an example of someone setting up one of those clients.
I'm not a big Youtube user, so I'll leave that hunt to you.

(I had a quick look, but unfortunately Eternal September is the name of
at least one pop song, group, political movement, you name it - 88k
hits, none of the first few anything to do with NNTP.)

Paul
John
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"Expectate litteras meas." Translation: "You'll get mail."

On Friday, December 20, 2013 8:26:53 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:

I installed Thunderbird and would like to get it setup with some free newsgroup server.


Change the server to nntp.aioe.org port 119.

Paul

Change the server to nntp.aioe.org port 119.

Thanks, it is downloading newsgroups now, so it looks like it is working.

Andy

On Saturday, December 21, 2013 9:45:16 AM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
On Friday, December 20, 2013 8:26:53 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:

Andy wrote:



I installed Thunderbird and would like to get it setup with some free newsgroup server.





Change the server to nntp.aioe.org port 119.



Paul



Change the server to nntp.aioe.org port 119.



Thanks, it is downloading newsgroups now, so it looks like it is working.



Andy

I can read messages, but I can not send responses.

I think I need something in the outgoing server area.

Andy

On 12/21/2013 7:54 AM, Andy wrote:
On Saturday, December 21, 2013 9:45:16 AM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
On Friday, December 20, 2013 8:26:53 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:

Andy wrote:



I installed Thunderbird and would like to get it setup with some free newsgroup server.





Change the server to nntp.aioe.org port 119.



Paul



Change the server to nntp.aioe.org port 119.



Thanks, it is downloading newsgroups now, so it looks like it is working.



Andy

I can read messages, but I can not send responses.

I think I need something in the outgoing server area.

Andy


There are no SMTP and POP3 entries for a news server.

A news server has a single entry for both read and write.

To use the new Thunderbird:

1) Subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
2) Click the server name in the left pane, to expose the
subscribed list. That will cause the list to update.
2) Navigate to the message you want to reply to.

OK, Thunderbird is missing the Reply button at the top.
You can right click the button bar and select Customize.
Drag and Drop the "Reply" button from the icon palette.
onto the button bar.

When you click Reply, you should see your server identification
details in the top bar. The fields could look like...

Andy nntp.aioe.org

and no separate field with an email address showing.

The word Newsgroup should be on the next line.

The idea is, to verify that you're sending a USENET
message, and not an email, by accident.

If you did all of that, and you got

441 Bad content

then you may be attempting to post HTML into a text-only
group. AIOE has more filters on the front end, than most
servers, and there is a "mine field" to navigate to
get a message sent. For example, if you attempt to
send a message with the same message body twice, the
second send attempt will be denied. And the error
text will be something that at first seems rather
meaningless. When that happens, just add an extra period
to one of your sentences, which changes the checksum
of the message body when it hits the server.

If you got an informative error message, please post
both the number and the error text.

Seeing a useful error message, means the message
did get to AIOE. If nothing seems to be leaving
Thunderbird at all, it could be that the message
is an email message and not a USENET message. And
the info at the top, will give you some idea whether
it's going to AIOE or not.

There are several flavors of Reply, and I think
one of them might be doing email or something.

Paul

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