Upgrading to WIndows 8.1

Dear Group

I have a Dell with Windows 8 and purchased a 8.1 for my wife's laptop after
the hard disk packed it in.

Does anyone know if the 8.1 can be used to upgrade a version 8 without the
need to download and not destroying authenticity?

Thanks

On 07/01/2014 6:24 AM, The Razor's Edge wrote:
Dear Group

I have a Dell with Windows 8 and purchased a 8.1 for my wife's laptop after
the hard disk packed it in.

Does anyone know if the 8.1 can be used to upgrade a version 8 without the
need to download and not destroying authenticity?

You can indeed download Windows 8.1 once and use the same executable to
install on several PCs. When you download from the Windows Store, there
should be instructions at the bottom in the event of your needing to
install on multiple PCs.
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Silver Slimer typed:
On 07/01/2014 6:24 AM, The Razor's Edge wrote:
Dear Group

I have a Dell with Windows 8 and purchased a 8.1 for my wife's
laptop after the hard disk packed it in.

Does anyone know if the 8.1 can be used to upgrade a version 8
without the need to download and not destroying authenticity?

You can indeed download Windows 8.1 once and use the same executable
to install on several PCs. When you download from the Windows Store,
there should be instructions at the bottom in the event of your
needing to install on multiple PCs.

How easy is it to undo the upgrade? One of my Windows 8.0 machines is a
Dell Latitude ST. And they come with Windows 7 SP1 Pro and they work
perfectly if you don't change anything. Trying to get anything else
running it takes tons of work and lots of luck. And I got Windows 8.0
working on one without Standby, Hibernation, Webcams, and shutdown locks
up half of the time.

And I never got updates to work on this machine either. After about 4
reboots, Windows 8 reports it is restoring back to be previous state and
all updates are lost. So without sacrificing a pure virgin to the gods
first, I don't think 8.1 would go well on that machine. :-(

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On 07/01/2014 9:51 AM, BillW50 wrote:

How easy is it to undo the upgrade? One of my Windows 8.0 machines is a
Dell Latitude ST. And they come with Windows 7 SP1 Pro and they work
perfectly if you don't change anything. Trying to get anything else
running it takes tons of work and lots of luck. And I got Windows 8.0
working on one without Standby, Hibernation, Webcams, and shutdown locks
up half of the time.

And I never got updates to work on this machine either. After about 4
reboots, Windows 8 reports it is restoring back to be previous state and
all updates are lost. So without sacrificing a pure virgin to the gods
first, I don't think 8.1 would go well on that machine. :-(

I can't speak for all machines but Windows 8.1 runs beautifully on my
machine. The one issue I had was that Windows Media Player didn't want
to enter the program after the initial setup but that might have had
something to do with the fact that IE11 was uninstalled and I haven't
tried it since since WMP11 is a pretty useless program to me. Other than
that though, it is fantastic.
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GNU/Linux is communism

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 08:59:02 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 07/01/2014 6:24 AM, The Razor's Edge wrote:
Dear Group

I have a Dell with Windows 8 and purchased a 8.1 for my wife's laptop
after the hard disk packed it in.

Does anyone know if the 8.1 can be used to upgrade a version 8 without
the need to download and not destroying authenticity?

You can indeed download Windows 8.1 once and use the same executable to
install on several PCs. When you download from the Windows Store, there
should be instructions at the bottom in the event of your needing to
install on multiple PCs.

Care to tell me how you can download Windows 8.1 update from the Store or
elsewhere so you can use it as an exe file on other machines if you have a
retail or OEM version of Windows 8 and NOT a volume license one.

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On 07/01/2014 11:36 AM, trinity wrote:

Care to tell me how you can download Windows 8.1 update from the Store or
elsewhere so you can use it as an exe file on other machines if you have a
retail or OEM version of Windows 8 and NOT a volume license one.

Look at this:
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...8-product-key/
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:57:27 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 07/01/2014 11:36 AM, trinity wrote:

Care to tell me how you can download Windows 8.1 update from the Store
or elsewhere so you can use it as an exe file on other machines if you
have a retail or OEM version of Windows 8 and NOT a volume license one.

Look at this:
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...so-file-using-
your-windows-8-product-key/

Thanks for the link. Will try this out at the weekend.

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On 07/01/2014 12:05 PM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-07 12:03 PM, trinity wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:57:27 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 07/01/2014 11:36 AM, trinity wrote:

Care to tell me how you can download Windows 8.1 update from the Store
or elsewhere so you can use it as an exe file on other machines if you
have a retail or OEM version of Windows 8 and NOT a volume license one.

Look at this:
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...so-file-using-
your-windows-8-product-key/

Thanks for the link. Will try this out at the weekend.

The product key is tied to the motherboard, so unless you have a site
licence, you can install the upgrade only on the original machine.

Well, I haven't tried it myself since I only have one Windows 8 machine
but this is the method which was suggested by MaximumPC a few months ago
for multiple computers. The fact that the product key is already entered
when the download is made should indicate that it is only to be used on
the first computer, I agree, but this might also be a work-around. It's
worth a try, either way and let's all hope that trinity gets the job
done with it.
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 12:05:22 -0500, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:

On 2014-01-07 12:03 PM, trinity wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:57:27 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 07/01/2014 11:36 AM, trinity wrote:

Care to tell me how you can download Windows 8.1 update from the
Store or elsewhere so you can use it as an exe file on other machines
if you have a retail or OEM version of Windows 8 and NOT a volume
license one.

Look at this:
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...so-file-using-
your-windows-8-product-key/

Thanks for the link. Will try this out at the weekend.

The product key is tied to the motherboard, so unless you have a site
licence, you can install the upgrade only on the original machine.

HTH

Wolf, thanks for your input. I was expecting that to be the case as in all
I've read so far MS seem very clear that any retail/OEM W8 installs must
use the store for W8.1 updating.

I have a volume license update disc for the machines that are under a
volume license but it's some OEM machines that I need to update.

I was a little dubious when Silver Slimer seemed to be saying that there
was a method of doing this work but his next reply seems to back track.
Anyway let's see if it does indeed work. If it does I'll report back after
the weekend.

But don't hold your breath.

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On 07/01/2014 1:42 PM, trinity wrote:

Wolf, thanks for your input. I was expecting that to be the case as in all
I've read so far MS seem very clear that any retail/OEM W8 installs must
use the store for W8.1 updating.

I have a volume license update disc for the machines that are under a
volume license but it's some OEM machines that I need to update.

I was a little dubious when Silver Slimer seemed to be saying that there
was a method of doing this work but his next reply seems to back track.
Anyway let's see if it does indeed work. If it does I'll report back after
the weekend.

But don't hold your breath.

Please note that this isn't MY solution, all credit goes to MaximumPC
for suggesting it in an issue several months ago. I assume that they
tested it on multiple machines before publishing it.
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trinity wrote, On 1/7/2014 1:42 PM:
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 12:05:22 -0500, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:

On 2014-01-07 12:03 PM, trinity wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:57:27 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 07/01/2014 11:36 AM, trinity wrote:

Care to tell me how you can download Windows 8.1 update from the
Store or elsewhere so you can use it as an exe file on other machines
if you have a retail or OEM version of Windows 8 and NOT a volume
license one.

Look at this:
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...so-file-using-
your-windows-8-product-key/

Thanks for the link. Will try this out at the weekend.

The product key is tied to the motherboard, so unless you have a site
licence, you can install the upgrade only on the original machine.

HTH

Wolf, thanks for your input. I was expecting that to be the case as in all
I've read so far MS seem very clear that any retail/OEM W8 installs must
use the store for W8.1 updating.

I have a volume license update disc for the machines that are under a
volume license but it's some OEM machines that I need to update.

I was a little dubious when Silver Slimer seemed to be saying that there
was a method of doing this work but his next reply seems to back track.
Anyway let's see if it does indeed work. If it does I'll report back after
the weekend.

But don't hold your breath.

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You might wish to read the comments in that Redmondpie. article before
proceeding. This method has been published by a variety of different
sources with feedback (comments/questions) from respective readers with
reports of success and failure.


Fyi...if following that process/method it is important to note that
the bitness (32 or 64 bit) of the machine performing the download will
determine the bitness of the received file.
- i.e. you can't use a 32 bit machine to get 64 bit or vice versa

One final 'bit' of advice.
It's probably a good idea to use the Win 8 Store app to obtain/upgrade
to 8.1 from Win 8.0 OEM machines.


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BillW50 said on 1/7/2014 9:51 AM:
In ,
Silver Slimer typed:
On 07/01/2014 6:24 AM, The Razor's Edge wrote:
Dear Group

I have a Dell with Windows 8 and purchased a 8.1 for my wife's
laptop after the hard disk packed it in.

Does anyone know if the 8.1 can be used to upgrade a version 8
without the need to download and not destroying authenticity?

You can indeed download Windows 8.1 once and use the same executable
to install on several PCs. When you download from the Windows Store,
there should be instructions at the bottom in the event of your
needing to install on multiple PCs.

How easy is it to undo the upgrade? One of my Windows 8.0 machines is a
Dell Latitude ST. And they come with Windows 7 SP1 Pro and they work
perfectly if you don't change anything. Trying to get anything else
running it takes tons of work and lots of luck. And I got Windows 8.0
working on one without Standby, Hibernation, Webcams, and shutdown locks
up half of the time.

And I never got updates to work on this machine either. After about 4
reboots, Windows 8 reports it is restoring back to be previous state and
all updates are lost. So without sacrificing a pure virgin to the gods
first, I don't think 8.1 would go well on that machine. :-(

Like most upgrades, I would suggest you install 8.0 (or 8.1) virgin.
I tried the 7-8 upgrade and it just seemed to carry too much baggage.
I restarted and did the "format & load" and that seemed to give me a
better experience. 8 - 8.1 was nothing more than a time factor.

The question was "without the need to download"

After I install the 8.1 on my wife's machine and authenticate it can insert
the windows 8.1 CD and upgrade my 8.1 without destroying my 8.0 serial
number.

The Razor's Edge wrote, On 1/13/2014 6:47 AM:
The question was "without the need to download"

After I install the 8.1 on my wife's machine and authenticate it can insert
the windows 8.1 CD and upgrade my 8.1 without destroying my 8.0 serial
number.


You also earlier wrote
qp
I have a Dell with Windows 8 and purchased a 8.1 for my wife's
laptop after the hard disk packed it in.

Does anyone know if the 8.1 can be used to upgrade a version 8
without the need to download and not destroying authenticity?

/qp



Thus the answer to your question is no.

8.1 is available for purchase as a full version, not an upgrade version
and comes with an 8.1 product key. The 8.1 full retail version performs
the following tasks
- clean install 8.1 on an 8.0 machine by booting (no upgrade from
booting the dvd)
or
- upgrade install (from 8.0 to 8.1) by running setup.exe on the 8.1
DVD from within Windows 8.0
or
- clean install 8.1 on a compatible hardware earlier o/s (e.g. Win7,
Vista)

All routes require use of the DVD included 8.1 product key.


One can not use it later to upgrade a different 8.0 pc **and retain**
the 8.0 license.

One can use that same purchased retail DVD to perform the same above
(clean install or upgrade) on another machine if one purchases an
additional Win 8.1 Product Key. (i.e. you still need two separate licenses)


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msft mvp consumer apps