If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Rate Thread | Display Modes |
#31
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
On 10 Feb 2014, "BillW50" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8: Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? Rarely. It still doesn't. And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? They seemed minor at the time. So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? Yes I did, for the new features., And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? I never saw any problems with ME. It was just unnecessary. And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? Not many. It was half-baked and poorly designed but it worked OK. And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? I'm aware that was a problem for some for a very short time. The bug was fixed within days. Funny, Microsoft in their license agreement isn't as assuring as you are. Because they claim they are not responsible for any loses or damages that are caused by their software. I wonder why they are so unsure of their products? You think they know something that we don't? It's not funny at all. There's a similar clause in all software licenses. It says nothing about the quality of the software. |
Ads |
#32
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? Funny, Microsoft in their license agreement isn't as assuring as you are. Because they claim they are not responsible for any loses or damages that are caused by their software. I wonder why they are so unsure of their products? You think they know something that we don't? Since 1995 one sole update (IE7) caused a printing problem that required a restore from a Norton Ghost image. The subsequent IE7 cumulative update did not cause the printing problem. Beyond that not a single update for 95, 98, 98SE, XP, Vista, Win7, Win8, Office 97, Office 2000 (aka XP), Office 2003, Office 2007, Office 2010, Office 2013. - never ran ME but beta tested it. Vista, the black sheep of MSFT o/s ran fine with one exception (not update related) it took forever to copy large files to external devices or over a network using Windows Explorer (but that was easily rectified by using Vista's command line utility RoboCopy or using the then current version of Rich Copy) Office 2003 did require a removal/reinstall due to a corrupt pst profile but that was not caused by an update but by pebkac. -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
#33
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates. That said, I never had problems with any version. I never used Vista and I never buy OEM computers like an HP. Personally, I preferred Me over Win 98 and can't understand all the uproar over it. Funny, Microsoft in their license agreement isn't as assuring as you are. Because they claim they are not responsible for any loses or damages that are caused by their software. I wonder why they are so unsure of their products? You think they know something that we don't? I've never had problems with Windows Updates or Microsoft Updates regardless of the EULA that says about the same thing as other EULAs say. -- Blue |
#34
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
On 2/11/2014 7:29 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates. That said, I never had problems with any version. I never used Vista and I never buy OEM computers like an HP. Personally, I preferred Me over Win 98 and can't understand all the uproar over it. Bull! Office 97 updates just made things more unstable. Some claim Office 2000 was released to fix Office 97 bugs. It sure seems that way to me. As Office 97 and 2000 are very much alike, except for Office 97 crashes a lot and 2000 is very stable. Also the last time I checked, XP SP3 was a Windows update. The only major thing I didn't like about it was it had broken OE6 compacting (hangs on folders.dbx, says file is in use). But others had far worse problems, even leaving some machines totally unbootable. Windows XP SP3 Issues and Fixes Continued http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...o-not-install/ Windows XP SP3 Survey Results http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...3-cheat-sheet/ Now you say you never had a problem with an update. But how many computers have you updated? Just look at that survey link above. 75% didn't have a problem with the XP SP3 update, but 24% did! That is one out of four! That is huge! I updated thousands of Windows machines. And most of the do turn out fine. But not always. And anybody who has lots of experience with updates on a lot of machines knows this is true. Heck large corporations never blindly install updates on all of their machines at once. No, they test them on a very small number of them first. If that goes well, they do another small number, etc. Heck I am working on this Windows 7 machine right now that never had the dreaded Blue Screen of Death ever show up. But after the last updates they started to show up. So I am troubleshooting it right now to see why that happens? It is random, so it is going to take some time to figure it out. Funny, Microsoft in their license agreement isn't as assuring as you are. Because they claim they are not responsible for any loses or damages that are caused by their software. I wonder why they are so unsure of their products? You think they know something that we don't? I've never had problems with Windows Updates or Microsoft Updates regardless of the EULA that says about the same thing as other EULAs say. That is because you are not a professional with lots of experience. And one day your luck is going to run out and your false sense of security is going to stab you right in your back! Then you might feel so burned that you just might turn into another Linux Zealot. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:47:52 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
On 2/11/2014 7:29 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates. That said, I never had problems with any version. I never used Vista and I never buy OEM computers like an HP. Personally, I preferred Me over Win 98 and can't understand all the uproar over it. Bull! Office 97 updates just made things more unstable. I think you're blowing smoke. I used Office 97, 2000, 2003, 2007 (briefly), 2010, and 2013 (briefly). My primary apps are Outlook, Word, and Excel, all of which run pretty much all of the time that I'm "at work". I can't remember a single time that one of them crashed. I also can't remember a single time that a coworker mentioned an Office app crashing or being unstable. So when you talk about crashes and being unstable, I think the problem just might be you. This is normally when you go into chest-pumping mode and remind us that no one stresses software and hardware more than you do, being the consummate professional and all, but I think we all know the true story. Some claim Office 2000 was released to fix Office 97 bugs. "Some claim" the Earth is 6000 years old, too. You can pick a topic out of a hat and "some" will claim that it's true. You have to look for the truth. It sure seems that way to me. So maybe "some" really means "you". As Office 97 and 2000 are very much alike, except for Office 97 crashes a lot and 2000 is very stable. You probably had unresolved PC issues and simply blamed it on the software. Sometimes it's worthwhile to do real troubleshooting and not just jump to a conclusion. I updated thousands of Windows machines. Here we go again...you and your thousands of Windows machines. I've never had problems with Windows Updates or Microsoft Updates regardless of the EULA that says about the same thing as other EULAs say. That is because you are not a professional with lots of experience. Face it, if you're the definition of "professional", then all hope is lost. |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
BillW50 wrote:
On 2/11/2014 7:29 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates. That said, I never had problems with any version. I never used Vista and I never buy OEM computers like an HP. Personally, I preferred Me over Win 98 and can't understand all the uproar over it. Bull! Office 97 updates just made things more unstable. I used Office 97 for three years and it was very stable. Some claim Office 2000 was released to fix Office 97 bugs. It sure seems that way to me. As Office 97 and 2000 are very much alike, except for Office 97 crashes a lot and 2000 is very stable. When you used, perhaps. Also the last time I checked, XP SP3 was a Windows update. True. The only major thing I didn't like about it was it had broken OE6 compacting (hangs on folders.dbx, says file is in use). But others had far worse problems, even leaving some machines totally unbootable. Not my experience and I've installed SP3 dozens of machines. Of course, unlike you, I knew how to do it properly. Windows XP SP3 Issues and Fixes Continued http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...o-not-install/ Windows XP SP3 Survey Results http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...3-cheat-sheet/ Now you say you never had a problem with an update. But how many computers have you updated? Just look at that survey link above. 75% didn't have a problem with the XP SP3 update, but 24% did! That is one out of four! That is huge! I updated thousands of Windows machines. Thousands? And most of the do turn out fine. But not always. And anybody who has lots of experience with updates on a lot of machines knows this is true. Heck large corporations never blindly install updates on all of their machines at once. No, they test them on a very small number of them first. If that goes well, they do another small number, etc. Heck I am working on this Windows 7 machine right now that never had the dreaded Blue Screen of Death ever show up. But after the last updates they started to show up. So I am troubleshooting it right now to see why that happens? It is random, so it is going to take some time to figure it out. Didn't happen to me on five machines using 7. Funny, Microsoft in their license agreement isn't as assuring as you are. Because they claim they are not responsible for any loses or damages that are caused by their software. I wonder why they are so unsure of their products? You think they know something that we don't? I've never had problems with Windows Updates or Microsoft Updates regardless of the EULA that says about the same thing as other EULAs say. That is because you are not a professional with lots of experience. How do you know that? And one day your luck is going to run out and your false sense of security is going to stab you right in your back! Then you might feel so burned that you just might turn into another Linux Zealot. I also use Linux but not for the reason you state. -- Blue |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
On 2/11/2014 9:34 AM, Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:47:52
-0600, BillW50 wrote: On 2/11/2014 7:29 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates. That said, I never had problems with any version. I never used Vista and I never buy OEM computers like an HP. Personally, I preferred Me over Win 98 and can't understand all the uproar over it. Bull! Office 97 updates just made things more unstable. I think you're blowing smoke. I used Office 97, 2000, 2003, 2007 (briefly), 2010, and 2013 (briefly). My primary apps are Outlook, Word, and Excel, all of which run pretty much all of the time that I'm "at work". I can't remember a single time that one of them crashed. I also can't remember a single time that a coworker mentioned an Office app crashing or being unstable. So when you talk about crashes and being unstable, I think the problem just might be you. This is normally when you go into chest-pumping mode and remind us that no one stresses software and hardware more than you do, being the consummate professional and all, but I think we all know the true story. Didn't even read those two URLs that I had posted and you didn't quote, did you? Why do you sound like an intelligent person sometimes and then suddenly start acting like you are just a two year old? How does that happen Char? You are trying to falsely charge that only I have these problems and then pretend maybe the problem is just me. Yet you totally throw out the advice from professions who also have experienced the very same thing. I even listed URLs to prove that point. Heck blind as a bat Char, can't see that far. Some claim Office 2000 was released to fix Office 97 bugs. "Some claim" the Earth is 6000 years old, too. You can pick a topic out of a hat and "some" will claim that it's true. You have to look for the truth. And you have shown you can't find the truth even if it was right in front of your face! You don't even believe how using remote desktop software, the sending machine has to convert the video and compress it, and so it makes huge demands on the CPU. Any 5 year old child can understand it, but not Char! As for the "claim Office 2000 was released to fix Office 97 bugs", anybody using Microsoft Office newsgroups back then heard this from many, time and time again. Heck even this URL even mentions that Office 2000 is more stable. http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...ll=1#post31060 Oh that is right, Char can't see URLs right in front of his face. Well never mind. :-( It sure seems that way to me. So maybe "some" really means "you". There you go again, throwing the baby out with the bath water! As Office 97 and 2000 are very much alike, except for Office 97 crashes a lot and 2000 is very stable. You probably had unresolved PC issues and simply blamed it on the software. Sometimes it's worthwhile to do real troubleshooting and not just jump to a conclusion. Yeah sure, one out of four computer users, and me right? Didn't you even find it odd, that there was Outlook 97 and then suddenly there was an Outlook 98 right away? And as for my earlier statement about Windows ME stability issues, I am not alone there either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_ME#Criticism Oh damn, another URL that you can't see. :-( Here I'll paste it in for you this time. Windows ME was heavily criticized by some users, mainly for stability issues. A PC World article dubbed Windows ME the "Mistake Edition" and placed it 4th in their "Worst Tech Products of All Time" feature. "Shortly after ME appeared in late 2000," the article states, "users reported problems installing it, getting it to run, getting it to work with other hardware or software, and getting it to stop running." I updated thousands of Windows machines. Here we go again...you and your thousands of Windows machines. How many computers have you worked on for clients over the last few decades? I've never had problems with Windows Updates or Microsoft Updates regardless of the EULA that says about the same thing as other EULAs say. That is because you are not a professional with lots of experience. Face it, if you're the definition of "professional", then all hope is lost. Face it Char, if you trust yourself in finding the truth of anything, you are going to end up at the funny farm. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
#38
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
On 2/11/2014 9:55 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote:
On 2/11/2014 7:29 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates. That said, I never had problems with any version. I never used Vista and I never buy OEM computers like an HP. Personally, I preferred Me over Win 98 and can't understand all the uproar over it. Bull! Office 97 updates just made things more unstable. I used Office 97 for three years and it was very stable. Sure, was there more than just you that did? Sure there were. Did everybody but me find Office stable? Nope, some didn't find Office 97 stable at all. Maybe you and others didn't use all of the features in Office 97. Maybe that is why you found it stable. Some parts were indeed stable, but some parts were not. Some claim Office 2000 was released to fix Office 97 bugs. It sure seems that way to me. As Office 97 and 2000 are very much alike, except for Office 97 crashes a lot and 2000 is very stable. When you used, perhaps. Naw, it was all over the Microsoft Office newsgroups back then. Even this post mentions Office 2000 being said to be more stable. http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...ll=1#post31060 And you don't find it odd that Microsoft quickly released Outlook 98 to replace Outlook 97? Why did they do that if Outlook 97 was stable (as you say) in the first place? And why did Microsoft drop Office 97 support so fast (ended in 2002)? And why did Microsoft support Office 2000 last for so long (ended in 2009)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micros...#Compatibility Also the last time I checked, XP SP3 was a Windows update. True. Then why did you claim: "All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates" for? That was one of them. The only major thing I didn't like about it was it had broken OE6 compacting (hangs on folders.dbx, says file is in use). But others had far worse problems, even leaving some machines totally unbootable. Not my experience and I've installed SP3 dozens of machines. Of course, unlike you, I knew how to do it properly. Really? Bold claim considering both Microsoft and HP were pointing fingers whose fault it was. Yet none of them claimed that somebody didn't install it right. So what makes you right and everybody else wrong? Are you claiming you are a god? If so, which one? Windows XP SP3 Issues and Fixes Continued http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...o-not-install/ Windows XP SP3 Survey Results http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...3-cheat-sheet/ Now you say you never had a problem with an update. But how many computers have you updated? Just look at that survey link above. 75% didn't have a problem with the XP SP3 update, but 24% did! That is one out of four! That is huge! I updated thousands of Windows machines. Thousands? Yes, some of my clients I had since the early 80's. And most of the do turn out fine. But not always. And anybody who has lots of experience with updates on a lot of machines knows this is true. Heck large corporations never blindly install updates on all of their machines at once. No, they test them on a very small number of them first. If that goes well, they do another small number, etc. Heck I am working on this Windows 7 machine right now that never had the dreaded Blue Screen of Death ever show up. But after the last updates they started to show up. So I am troubleshooting it right now to see why that happens? It is random, so it is going to take some time to figure it out. Didn't happen to me on five machines using 7. Seven? Is that all? I have 30+ machines right in this single room. And I would say at least 20 of them never had a single problem with updates at all. Yes that happens. Although the more you do, the more your luck will end eventually. It is the law of averages. Heard of that one before? Funny, Microsoft in their license agreement isn't as assuring as you are. Because they claim they are not responsible for any loses or damages that are caused by their software. I wonder why they are so unsure of their products? You think they know something that we don't? I've never had problems with Windows Updates or Microsoft Updates regardless of the EULA that says about the same thing as other EULAs say. That is because you are not a professional with lots of experience. How do you know that? Because you never had a problem with any Windows update. Plus any real professional would never claim updates always go flawlessly. And you used the claim that you know how to install updates correctly. All of this point to you are a small time amateur. And one day your luck is going to run out and your false sense of security is going to stab you right in your back! Then you might feel so burned that you just might turn into another Linux Zealot. I also use Linux but not for the reason you state. Naw... I was just being facetious. I do that from time to time. ;-) And the point that I was making was one day you are going to run into an update that will fail you. Then you will become a believer. And then some smart ass out there is going to say to you they never had a problem with updates, and then history repeats itself again. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
#39
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
BillW50 wrote:
On 2/11/2014 9:55 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: On 2/11/2014 7:29 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates. That said, I never had problems with any version. I never used Vista and I never buy OEM computers like an HP. Personally, I preferred Me over Win 98 and can't understand all the uproar over it. Bull! Office 97 updates just made things more unstable. I used Office 97 for three years and it was very stable. Sure, was there more than just you that did? Sure there were. Did everybody but me find Office stable? Nope, some didn't find Office 97 stable at all. Maybe you and others didn't use all of the features in Office 97. Maybe that is why you found it stable. Some parts were indeed stable, but some parts were not. It was stable for my usage. Some claim Office 2000 was released to fix Office 97 bugs. It sure seems that way to me. As Office 97 and 2000 are very much alike, except for Office 97 crashes a lot and 2000 is very stable. One would assume that a new version would be better. When you used, perhaps. Naw, it was all over the Microsoft Office newsgroups back then. Even this post mentions Office 2000 being said to be more stable. http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...ll=1#post31060 And you don't find it odd that Microsoft quickly released Outlook 98 to replace Outlook 97? Why did they do that if Outlook 97 was stable (as you say) in the first place? And why did Microsoft drop Office 97 support so fast (ended in 2002)? And why did Microsoft support Office 2000 last for so long (ended in 2009)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micros...#Compatibility I didn't use Outlook back then so I wouldn't know if it caused problems. Also the last time I checked, XP SP3 was a Windows update. True. Then why did you claim: "All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates" for? That was one of them. Because you didn't mention XP SP3. The only major thing I didn't like about it was it had broken OE6 compacting (hangs on folders.dbx, says file is in use). But others had far worse problems, even leaving some machines totally unbootable. Not my experience and I've installed SP3 dozens of machines. Of course, unlike you, I knew how to do it properly. Really? Bold claim considering both Microsoft and HP were pointing fingers whose fault it was. Yet none of them claimed that somebody didn't install it right. So what makes you right and everybody else wrong? Are you claiming you are a god? If so, which one? No, I did my research and that research did not include newsgroups or forums. Once I learned the trick, installed SP3 was "next, next, next". Windows XP SP3 Issues and Fixes Continued http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...o-not-install/ Windows XP SP3 Survey Results http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...3-cheat-sheet/ Now you say you never had a problem with an update. But how many computers have you updated? Just look at that survey link above. 75% didn't have a problem with the XP SP3 update, but 24% did! That is one out of four! That is huge! I updated thousands of Windows machines. Thousands? Yes, some of my clients I had since the early 80's. That doesn't mean you updated thousands. That merely states how long you've been ****ing up computers. And most of the do turn out fine. But not always. And anybody who has lots of experience with updates on a lot of machines knows this is true. Heck large corporations never blindly install updates on all of their machines at once. No, they test them on a very small number of them first. If that goes well, they do another small number, etc. Heck I am working on this Windows 7 machine right now that never had the dreaded Blue Screen of Death ever show up. But after the last updates they started to show up. So I am troubleshooting it right now to see why that happens? It is random, so it is going to take some time to figure it out. Didn't happen to me on five machines using 7. Seven? I wrote five, not seven. Is that all? I have 30+ machines right in this single room. And I would say at least 20 of them never had a single problem with updates at all. I don't believe you. Yes that happens. Although the more you do, the more your luck will end eventually. It is the law of averages. Heard of that one before? Yep, and, on average, most people, even newbies, have no problems with updates. Funny, Microsoft in their license agreement isn't as assuring as you are. Because they claim they are not responsible for any loses or damages that are caused by their software. I wonder why they are so unsure of their products? You think they know something that we don't? I've never had problems with Windows Updates or Microsoft Updates regardless of the EULA that says about the same thing as other EULAs say. That is because you are not a professional with lots of experience. How do you know that? Because you never had a problem with any Windows update. LOL! Plus any real professional would never claim updates always go flawlessly. Unless they do. And you used the claim that you know how to install updates correctly. All of this point to you are a small time amateur. I used my first computer in 1968. And one day your luck is going to run out and your false sense of security is going to stab you right in your back! Then you might feel so burned that you just might turn into another Linux Zealot. I also use Linux but not for the reason you state. Naw... I was just being facetious. I do that from time to time. ;-) How cute. And the point that I was making was one day you are going to run into an update that will fail you. Then you will become a believer. And then some smart ass out there is going to say to you they never had a problem with updates, and then history repeats itself again. I just updated all five computers. Went like silk. -- Blue |
#40
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
On 2/11/2014 1:25 PM, Jim wrote:
Thousand of this, thousands of that. You have had hundreds of computers, dozens of tablets. I think your name should be Bull**** Bill! I don't have thousands of computers and dozens of tablets. I have over 30 computers (at last count) and about a dozen tablets. Although I have serviced thousands of computers and serviced dozens of tablets if that is what you mean. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
#41
|
|||
|
|||
After getting 8.1 we do what?
On 2/11/2014 1:43 PM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote:
On 2/11/2014 9:55 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: On 2/11/2014 7:29 AM, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and never had a problem with Windows or Microsoft products updates. I just installed Win 8.1 and there were a whole lot of updates but it went like silk with no problems. Really? MS Office 97 never crashed on you? And Windows 98 bugs were okay with you? So you didn't bother purchasing 98SE? And how did Windows ME work out for you? Still using it today and is it running just fine? And how is Vista working out for you? Never saw any bugs? And you installed SP3 on your HP AMD processor XP machine and XP still booted afterwards? All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates. That said, I never had problems with any version. I never used Vista and I never buy OEM computers like an HP. Personally, I preferred Me over Win 98 and can't understand all the uproar over it. Bull! Office 97 updates just made things more unstable. I used Office 97 for three years and it was very stable. Sure, was there more than just you that did? Sure there were. Did everybody but me find Office stable? Nope, some didn't find Office 97 stable at all. Maybe you and others didn't use all of the features in Office 97. Maybe that is why you found it stable. Some parts were indeed stable, but some parts were not. It was stable for my usage. I am sure it was. Some are perfectly happy using WordPad as their word processor too. But some need something more. Some claim Office 2000 was released to fix Office 97 bugs. It sure seems that way to me. As Office 97 and 2000 are very much alike, except for Office 97 crashes a lot and 2000 is very stable. One would assume that a new version would be better. One would hope anyway. Although that isn't the case for some. When you used, perhaps. Naw, it was all over the Microsoft Office newsgroups back then. Even this post mentions Office 2000 being said to be more stable. http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...ll=1#post31060 And you don't find it odd that Microsoft quickly released Outlook 98 to replace Outlook 97? Why did they do that if Outlook 97 was stable (as you say) in the first place? And why did Microsoft drop Office 97 support so fast (ended in 2002)? And why did Microsoft support Office 2000 last for so long (ended in 2009)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micros...#Compatibility I didn't use Outlook back then so I wouldn't know if it caused problems. Then why do you criticize those that did have problems? Outlook 97 was the most buggiest application of the lot. And what did Microsoft do? Forget updates, here is a new version of Outlook that actually works. Also the last time I checked, XP SP3 was a Windows update. True. Then why did you claim: "All the above has nothing to do with Windows Updates" for? That was one of them. Because you didn't mention XP SP3. Oh maybe, but the signs were there for anybody who had experience. AMD and XP SP3 not booting after the upgrade was a dead giveaway. Everybody was talking about it. The only major thing I didn't like about it was it had broken OE6 compacting (hangs on folders.dbx, says file is in use). But others had far worse problems, even leaving some machines totally unbootable. Not my experience and I've installed SP3 dozens of machines. Of course, unlike you, I knew how to do it properly. Really? Bold claim considering both Microsoft and HP were pointing fingers whose fault it was. Yet none of them claimed that somebody didn't install it right. So what makes you right and everybody else wrong? Are you claiming you are a god? If so, which one? No, I did my research and that research did not include newsgroups or forums. Once I learned the trick, installed SP3 was "next, next, next". Then why did Microsoft and HP start pointing fingers at each other? Then why did .PC Pitstop say news flash, do not install? Everybody was talking about wait, do not install until Microsoft gets everything worked out. You never got the memo? Windows XP SP3 Issues and Fixes Continued http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...o-not-install/ Windows XP SP3 Survey Results http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/0...3-cheat-sheet/ Now you say you never had a problem with an update. But how many computers have you updated? Just look at that survey link above. 75% didn't have a problem with the XP SP3 update, but 24% did! That is one out of four! That is huge! I updated thousands of Windows machines. Thousands? Yes, some of my clients I had since the early 80's. That doesn't mean you updated thousands. That merely states how long you've been ****ing up computers. Oh now I am f*&%ing computing. Cute! And most of the do turn out fine. But not always. And anybody who has lots of experience with updates on a lot of machines knows this is true. Heck large corporations never blindly install updates on all of their machines at once. No, they test them on a very small number of them first. If that goes well, they do another small number, etc. Heck I am working on this Windows 7 machine right now that never had the dreaded Blue Screen of Death ever show up. But after the last updates they started to show up. So I am troubleshooting it right now to see why that happens? It is random, so it is going to take some time to figure it out. Didn't happen to me on five machines using 7. Seven? I wrote five, not seven. Five using Windows 7, yes. What happened to the earlier versions? And my other Windows 7 machines are doing fine with updates. And so is Windows 8 on this same machine. But Windows 7 updates seem to be a problem only on this one, why is that? I personally think it is drivers, but what do you think? Is that all? I have 30+ machines right in this single room. And I would say at least 20 of them never had a single problem with updates at all. I don't believe you. That is okay, I don't believe you either. Your claims don't match the real world at all. Yes that happens. Although the more you do, the more your luck will end eventually. It is the law of averages. Heard of that one before? Yep, and, on average, most people, even newbies, have no problems with updates. IT people isn't average, eh? And I know lots of newbies who were burned by updates. Just because you don't know any of them doesn't mean they don't exist. Funny, Microsoft in their license agreement isn't as assuring as you are. Because they claim they are not responsible for any loses or damages that are caused by their software. I wonder why they are so unsure of their products? You think they know something that we don't? I've never had problems with Windows Updates or Microsoft Updates regardless of the EULA that says about the same thing as other EULAs say. That is because you are not a professional with lots of experience. How do you know that? Because you never had a problem with any Windows update. LOL! And you laugh at all of the IT people who know better and all of the Microsoft and HP people pointing fingers. How cute. Plus any real professional would never claim updates always go flawlessly. Unless they do. You believe Microsoft code is flawless and never made mistakes and never made an update that could fail? What planet are you from? And you used the claim that you know how to install updates correctly. All of this point to you are a small time amateur. I used my first computer in 1968. And what was that computer's make and model number? I too first used a computer back in '68, but it wasn't anything to get excited about. Oh in '68 it was. But a few years later it was nothing to talk about. And one day your luck is going to run out and your false sense of security is going to stab you right in your back! Then you might feel so burned that you just might turn into another Linux Zealot. I also use Linux but not for the reason you state. Naw... I was just being facetious. I do that from time to time. ;-) How cute. And the point that I was making was one day you are going to run into an update that will fail you. Then you will become a believer. And then some smart ass out there is going to say to you they never had a problem with updates, and then history repeats itself again. I just updated all five computers. Went like silk. Some people who sees a piece of paper inside of a fuse that says good, is good too (inside story about a recent post I made today). And yeah, I have at least 20 computers right in this very room I could claim the same, big deal! That is just peanuts compared to the big picture. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | Rate This Thread |
|
|