PS Windows 8.1

On 2014-02-11, ...winston??? wrote:
generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-10, ...winston??? wrote:
generic name wrote:


Not if the problem is the microsoft usb 3 drivers. As the drivers
don't work & the manufacturers aren't doing win8.x drivers because
ms says that ms will implement ms's usb drivers that don't work as
part of win8.x.

Not able to get around the ms win8.x usb drivers as there is NO
replacement; my 2 terabyte usb 3 drive with over 1 terabyte of
files are inaccessible in win8 which means don't use win8.x no matter
what the user interface look like.

The usb 3 drivers are a very big deal to many people.

My usb 3.0 external device (MiniPro Oyen Digital 2TB USB 3.0) works
great on 8.1 Pro (and did on 8.0) when plugged into any of the 6
available usb 3.0 ports on my i7 Asus Z87 Sabertooth system. The
drivers are all provided and configured by Win8x.


I have an usb 3 2 TB Hitachi Touro Desk Pro. Have tried in both
win8 & win8.1 where the msft drivers claim that the drives must be
"initialized" before it can be used; this would wipeout nearly 1 TB of
music/video files. The Hitachi IS the BACKUP of my WD nas drive.

The mb is a msi z77a-gd65. Have read about other people's
problems with usb 3 on the msft "community forums"; did read a claim
by a purported msft driver programmer when googling, that any driver
problems were the hardware makers fault.

When win8 won't access the Hitachi, I went back to win7; decided to
try win8.1 when it came out but the same problem persist. Have
happily gone back to win7 where everything works. And there was NO
guarantee that if the Hitachi was initialized by win8, that it would
still work in win8.

Just plugged mine in. It told me the device was being prepared, once
complete it was good to go.



what is "being prepared"? It implies something is being done to the
drive, like possibly "initialize", meaning formatting the drive?

I get the same msg on my Nook HD+ on bootup after a shutdown;
makes me very nervous about losing data. The idiot programmers
should use a different msg; I mean if the drive is working fine why
should it need to be "prepared" which implies something on the
drive will be changed.....

On 2014-02-10, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/10/2014 4:55 PM, generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-10, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, GN.

USB 3 works fine for me in Win8 and 8.1, using the Microsoft drivers. My
only USB devices are a couple of flash drives and a 3 TB Seagate GoFlex
external HDD. Took me a while to get the HDD to recognize the whole 3 TB,
but that was because of the 2.2+ TB limit of the MBR file system. Device
Manager says the driver is the (Renesas USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller =
0096 (Microsoft)". version 6.3.9600.16459, dated 11/8/2013.

My netbook, also with Win8.1 Pro with Media Center also recognizes the USB 3
flash drives, but I haven't tried the HDD on it yet.

What is the make and model of your 2 TB HDD? What are the specs of your USB
3 driver?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


Thanks for the info on the driver's date!

I need to find when I re-installed win7 after formatting. So far I
think that it was 10-28-2013 as that is the date for the "users"
directory; also that is the same date for installing my scanner
stuff.

Too bad the system info doesn't tell date the system was installed.
Your 11/8/2013 drivers look to be an update from what I had; perhaps
a msft fix. Have printed posting for future reference when 9.x
is available as it took now takes longer to do the win7 updates than
the installing of win7 w/sp1!


You can approximate that date by looking at the creation dates in the
primary folders on the hard drive C:

On my computer the system volume folder is dated 05/23/2013

The basic files for the graphics etc were placed on the hard drive on
June 27, 2013.

The Windows OS and associated folders are dated 08/22/2013, There are 8
folders Windows, users, Program data, Program files etc.

So the disk or computer was probably manufactured about the 23rd of May,
The factory install of the OS was on 27th of June. I bought the
computer on the 8th of September, and placed the my first folders on the
disk is the 8th of September.


The system volume/directory date don't necessarily work as it get
changed on updates. Also see some dates back to 2011 & 2009 for
the main directories like for the "perflogs" & within the windows
directory; I know I did a "clean" install.

But I do see 10-28-2013 for the Intel directory which could be the
date I first or 2nd time I installed the Intel drivers for the msi
mb, possibly after updating the bios (or before!).

On 2/10/2014 9:35 PM, generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-10, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/10/2014 4:55 PM, generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-10, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, GN.

USB 3 works fine for me in Win8 and 8.1, using the Microsoft drivers. My
only USB devices are a couple of flash drives and a 3 TB Seagate GoFlex
external HDD. Took me a while to get the HDD to recognize the whole 3 TB,
but that was because of the 2.2+ TB limit of the MBR file system. Device
Manager says the driver is the (Renesas USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller =
0096 (Microsoft)". version 6.3.9600.16459, dated 11/8/2013.

My netbook, also with Win8.1 Pro with Media Center also recognizes the USB 3
flash drives, but I haven't tried the HDD on it yet.

What is the make and model of your 2 TB HDD? What are the specs of your USB
3 driver?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


Thanks for the info on the driver's date!

I need to find when I re-installed win7 after formatting. So far I
think that it was 10-28-2013 as that is the date for the "users"
directory; also that is the same date for installing my scanner
stuff.

Too bad the system info doesn't tell date the system was installed.
Your 11/8/2013 drivers look to be an update from what I had; perhaps
a msft fix. Have printed posting for future reference when 9.x
is available as it took now takes longer to do the win7 updates than
the installing of win7 w/sp1!


You can approximate that date by looking at the creation dates in the
primary folders on the hard drive C:

On my computer the system volume folder is dated 05/23/2013

The basic files for the graphics etc were placed on the hard drive on
June 27, 2013.

The Windows OS and associated folders are dated 08/22/2013, There are 8
folders Windows, users, Program data, Program files etc.

So the disk or computer was probably manufactured about the 23rd of May,
The factory install of the OS was on 27th of June. I bought the
computer on the 8th of September, and placed the my first folders on the
disk is the 8th of September.


The system volume/directory date don't necessarily work as it get
changed on updates. Also see some dates back to 2011 & 2009 for
the main directories like for the "perflogs" & within the windows
directory; I know I did a "clean" install.

But I do see 10-28-2013 for the Intel directory which could be the
date I first or 2nd time I installed the Intel drivers for the msi
mb, possibly after updating the bios (or before!).

If those dates are the production dates as I assume they would change as
the computer went through the production process. If your dates are
similar to the dates on my computer, and you don't have a Toshiba
computer, those dates probably have more to do with the date the soft
ware was created than when the computer was manufactured.

I know the creation dates on folders I created are with in days of the
date I set the computer up for my use.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:55:40 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:

Too bad the system info doesn't tell date the system was installed.
Your 11/8/2013 drivers look to be an update from what I had; perhaps
a msft fix. Have printed posting for future reference when 9.x
is available as it took now takes longer to do the win7 updates than
the installing of win7 w/sp1!

Have you tried the motherboard manufacturers site for driver updates?

--
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and built in 5 years;
UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/

generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-11, ...winston??? wrote:
generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-10, ...winston??? wrote:
generic name wrote:


Not if the problem is the microsoft usb 3 drivers. As the drivers
don't work & the manufacturers aren't doing win8.x drivers because
ms says that ms will implement ms's usb drivers that don't work as
part of win8.x.

Not able to get around the ms win8.x usb drivers as there is NO
replacement; my 2 terabyte usb 3 drive with over 1 terabyte of
files are inaccessible in win8 which means don't use win8.x no matter
what the user interface look like.

The usb 3 drivers are a very big deal to many people.

My usb 3.0 external device (MiniPro Oyen Digital 2TB USB 3.0) works
great on 8.1 Pro (and did on 8.0) when plugged into any of the 6
available usb 3.0 ports on my i7 Asus Z87 Sabertooth system. The
drivers are all provided and configured by Win8x.


I have an usb 3 2 TB Hitachi Touro Desk Pro. Have tried in both
win8 & win8.1 where the msft drivers claim that the drives must be
"initialized" before it can be used; this would wipeout nearly 1 TB of
music/video files. The Hitachi IS the BACKUP of my WD nas drive.

The mb is a msi z77a-gd65. Have read about other people's
problems with usb 3 on the msft "community forums"; did read a claim
by a purported msft driver programmer when googling, that any driver
problems were the hardware makers fault.

When win8 won't access the Hitachi, I went back to win7; decided to
try win8.1 when it came out but the same problem persist. Have
happily gone back to win7 where everything works. And there was NO
guarantee that if the Hitachi was initialized by win8, that it would
still work in win8.

Just plugged mine in. It told me the device was being prepared, once
complete it was good to go.



what is "being prepared"? It implies something is being done to the
drive, like possibly "initialize", meaning formatting the drive?

I get the same msg on my Nook HD+ on bootup after a shutdown;
makes me very nervous about losing data. The idiot programmers
should use a different msg; I mean if the drive is working fine why
should it need to be "prepared" which implies something on the
drive will be changed.....

Windows doesn't blindly format any usb devices - formatting requires
user intervention. Whenever a new usb device not previously plugged in
to the current o/s is plugged in Windows has to recognize the device and
assign/install a driver. The a popup in the notification area
indicates the device is being 'prepared'. It does not format the device.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 2/10/2014 9:29 PM, generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-11, ...winston??? wrote:
generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-10, ...winston??? wrote:
generic name wrote:


Not if the problem is the microsoft usb 3 drivers. As the drivers
don't work & the manufacturers aren't doing win8.x drivers because
ms says that ms will implement ms's usb drivers that don't work as
part of win8.x.

Not able to get around the ms win8.x usb drivers as there is NO
replacement; my 2 terabyte usb 3 drive with over 1 terabyte of
files are inaccessible in win8 which means don't use win8.x no matter
what the user interface look like.

The usb 3 drivers are a very big deal to many people.

My usb 3.0 external device (MiniPro Oyen Digital 2TB USB 3.0) works
great on 8.1 Pro (and did on 8.0) when plugged into any of the 6
available usb 3.0 ports on my i7 Asus Z87 Sabertooth system. The
drivers are all provided and configured by Win8x.


I have an usb 3 2 TB Hitachi Touro Desk Pro. Have tried in both
win8 & win8.1 where the msft drivers claim that the drives must be
"initialized" before it can be used; this would wipeout nearly 1 TB of
music/video files. The Hitachi IS the BACKUP of my WD nas drive.

The mb is a msi z77a-gd65. Have read about other people's
problems with usb 3 on the msft "community forums"; did read a claim
by a purported msft driver programmer when googling, that any driver
problems were the hardware makers fault.

When win8 won't access the Hitachi, I went back to win7; decided to
try win8.1 when it came out but the same problem persist. Have
happily gone back to win7 where everything works. And there was NO
guarantee that if the Hitachi was initialized by win8, that it would
still work in win8.

Just plugged mine in. It told me the device was being prepared, once
complete it was good to go.



what is "being prepared"? It implies something is being done to the
drive, like possibly "initialize", meaning formatting the drive?


Finding a driver for a new device.

On 2014-02-11, Rodney Pont wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:55:40 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:

Too bad the system info doesn't tell date the system was installed.
Your 11/8/2013 drivers look to be an update from what I had; perhaps
a msft fix. Have printed posting for future reference when 9.x
is available as it took now takes longer to do the win7 updates than
the installing of win7 w/sp1!

Have you tried the motherboard manufacturers site for driver updates?


Many times!! The manufacturers state that microsoft is providing
the drivers for win8 & win8.1 & so msi won't have any drivers. Also
Intel says the same thing; & so do SIIG for my pcie usb3 board as well
as Sabrent & their non-Renasas chip for its pcie usb3 card.

Even tried the Renesas website where they also say the same thing.

Looks to me that microsoft told the manufacturers NOT to provide
any usb 3 drivers as msft took over the usb 3 drivers for win8.x &
probably win9 when it is available.

generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-11, Rodney Pont wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:55:40 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:

Too bad the system info doesn't tell date the system was installed.
Your 11/8/2013 drivers look to be an update from what I had; perhaps
a msft fix. Have printed posting for future reference when 9.x
is available as it took now takes longer to do the win7 updates than
the installing of win7 w/sp1!
Have you tried the motherboard manufacturers site for driver updates?


Many times!! The manufacturers state that microsoft is providing
the drivers for win8 & win8.1 & so msi won't have any drivers. Also
Intel says the same thing; & so do SIIG for my pcie usb3 board as well
as Sabrent & their non-Renasas chip for its pcie usb3 card.

Even tried the Renesas website where they also say the same thing.

Looks to me that microsoft told the manufacturers NOT to provide
any usb 3 drivers as msft took over the usb 3 drivers for win8.x &
probably win9 when it is available.

You mean, just like it happened with USB2.

See "Due to licensing agreements" here.

http://www.usbman.com/USB%202%20News.htm

I haven't a clue, how these "handcuffs" were applied.
What somebody would have to sign, to have their right
to make drivers, taken away.

Paul

On 11/02/2014 2:34 PM, Paul wrote:

You mean, just like it happened with USB2.

See "Due to licensing agreements" here.

http://www.usbman.com/USB%202%20News.htm

I haven't a clue, how these "handcuffs" were applied.
What somebody would have to sign, to have their right
to make drivers, taken away.

You can be sure that if I ever fall in love with a certain piece of
hardware, refuse to upgrade it and find out that the latest version of
Windows provides no support for it either by Microsoft or by the
manufacturer, I will migrate to GNU/Linux (and all of its headaches) and
never look back. The core of a new operating system should incorporate
the hardware support of the previous iteration without exception. The
fact that it doesn't, regardless of the reasoning behind it, is a weakness.

As horrible as GNU/Linux is, it never REMOVES support for hardware.

--
Silver Slimer
GNU/Linux is Communism

Hi, GN.

Looks to me that microsoft told the manufacturers NOT to provide any usb 3
drivers as msft took over the usb 3 drivers for win8.x & probably win9
when it is available.

Since Microsoft provides the USB drivers free, what is their motivation for
this?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


"generic name" wrote in message ...

On 2014-02-11, Rodney Pont wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:55:40 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:

Too bad the system info doesn't tell date the system was installed.
Your 11/8/2013 drivers look to be an update from what I had; perhaps
a msft fix. Have printed posting for future reference when 9.x
is available as it took now takes longer to do the win7 updates than
the installing of win7 w/sp1!

Have you tried the motherboard manufacturers site for driver updates?


Many times!! The manufacturers state that microsoft is providing
the drivers for win8 & win8.1 & so msi won't have any drivers. Also
Intel says the same thing; & so do SIIG for my pcie usb3 board as well
as Sabrent & their non-Renasas chip for its pcie usb3 card.

Even tried the Renesas website where they also say the same thing.

Looks to me that microsoft told the manufacturers NOT to provide
any usb 3 drivers as msft took over the usb 3 drivers for win8.x &
probably win9 when it is available.

On 2014-02-11, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, GN.

Looks to me that microsoft told the manufacturers NOT to provide any usb 3
drivers as msft took over the usb 3 drivers for win8.x & probably win9
when it is available.

Since Microsoft provides the USB drivers free, what is their motivation for
this?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


Additional spyware located where one doesn't expect? Own stock on
hardware? & force hardware companies to do things the msft way.
Following the apple methodology all the way....get more purchasers
for ms tablets.....more able to claim that when things don't work, it
is the manufacturer's fault & windows is perfect......


"generic name" wrote in message ...

On 2014-02-11, Rodney Pont wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:55:40 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:

Too bad the system info doesn't tell date the system was installed.
Your 11/8/2013 drivers look to be an update from what I had; perhaps
a msft fix. Have printed posting for future reference when 9.x
is available as it took now takes longer to do the win7 updates than
the installing of win7 w/sp1!

Have you tried the motherboard manufacturers site for driver updates?


Many times!! The manufacturers state that microsoft is providing
the drivers for win8 & win8.1 & so msi won't have any drivers. Also
Intel says the same thing; & so do SIIG for my pcie usb3 board as well
as Sabrent & their non-Renasas chip for its pcie usb3 card.

Even tried the Renesas website where they also say the same thing.

Looks to me that microsoft told the manufacturers NOT to provide
any usb 3 drivers as msft took over the usb 3 drivers for win8.x &
probably win9 when it is available.

In the last episode of , Paul
said:

You mean, just like it happened with USB2.

See "Due to licensing agreements" here.

http://www.usbman.com/USB%202%20News.htm

I haven't a clue, how these "handcuffs" were applied.
What somebody would have to sign, to have their right
to make drivers, taken away.

Not having to build, distribute or support drivers saves hardware
manufacturers a lot of money. Building products that work out of the
box, rather than those that require the user to jump through hoops just
to get your product installed, is also a bonus.

--
If(tagline = 'funny') steal(); else next message();

On 2/11/2014 1:48 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
You can be sure that if I ever fall in love with a certain piece of
hardware, refuse to upgrade it and find out that the latest version of
Windows provides no support for it either by Microsoft or by the
manufacturer, I will migrate to GNU/Linux (and all of its headaches) and
never look back. The core of a new operating system should incorporate
the hardware support of the previous iteration without exception. The
fact that it doesn't, regardless of the reasoning behind it, is a weakness.

As horrible as GNU/Linux is, it never REMOVES support for hardware.

I am very pleased with my Gateway M465 and Motion Computing LE1700
machines with Core2 CPUs (both of them Core2 was an option). As both of
them running XP, Vista, 7, and 8 just wonderfully. My Alienware Aurora
M9700 machines can run XP and Vista. I seen one running Windows 7, but I
think it was using the Windows default video driver. Which isn't good,
especially for a game machine with two video cards.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1