no e-mail in windows 7

In message , Linea Recta
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" schreef in bericht
...
In message , Linea Recta
writes:
OK, decided to give WLM a try. Seens to work. Although I seem to have made
many mistakes according to spelling checker. But it's great I have a
spelling checker at least for Dutch. This was a no go with Windows Mail
(Vista).
Which brings up the following annoyance: how to get double quotation marks
by pressing once? Who invents the nuisance...
[]
I've already replied that the WLM should be before version 15 or to look


The version I have on Windows 7 is WLM 2012.

Can anyone else say if that's before v15?



at the WLM-quotefix (since I heard of that's existence, I've heard
very little about whether it works well or not - haven't tried it
myself as I don't run WLM), and asked for clarification of whether he
means this character --"--.


Yes I was referring to the character --"--.


One other option I didn't mention in my email, if it's not a small
laptop, is Alt-034. Ah, I see, I didn't mention that as you wanted
single-key access.


People, if you're going to email AND post, PLEASE put

EMAILED AND POSTED

as the first line of BOTH.
--


That was a mistake. Mea maxima culpa...

OK - my heavy-handed response was more aimed as public information,
rather than to berate you specifically (-:!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Worst programme ever made? I was in hospital once having a knee operation and I
watched a whole episode of "EastEnders". Ugh! I suppose it's true to life. But
so is diarrhoea - and I don't want to see that on television. - Patrick Moore,
in Radio Times 12-18 May 2007.

On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 11:12:01 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 10:24:29 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

| Another example of shortening (although it has nothing to do with
| Windows) is that so many people call caffelatte latte.

I've always called it kiddie coffee.


Sure. Go into a restaurant or bar, either in the US or Italy, ask for
"kiddie coffee," and see what you get.

Or let me tell you what you'll get. You'll get the reply "what"? g


Or, in Italy, maybe "Non parlo Inglese." g

On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 18:37:21 -0500, Mort wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
Another example of shortening (although it has nothing to do with
Windows) is that so many people call caffelatte latte. Go to Italy and
order a latte and see what you get!

Latte = milk in Italian,


Yes, my point exactly. Order latte in Italy, and don't be surprised if
you get a glass of milk. "Caffelatte" means "coffeemilk" (literally),
or "coffee with milk."


which I have heard that Starbucks barristas do
not generally know.


Starbucks barristas generally know nothing about coffee. And Starbucks
coffee is, in my view, just about the *worst* coffee you can find
anywhere.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:02:20 +0100, "Linea Recta"
wrote:

"Ken Blake, MVP" schreef in bericht
...

My view is completely different from yours. Yes, Windows XP came
with a built-in e-mail client. Yes, Windows 7 came without one.

But in my view, that's good, not bad. It's a step forward. With
Windows XP, many people used Outlook Express because that's what
they had and they didn't even realize they had a choice of many others.

Windows 7, on the other hand, doesn't insist on, or even suggest,
which e-mail client to use. It lets each user choose for himself which
he thinks is best--Microsoft products as well as many non-Microsoft
products. That's *great*. (But unfortunately, Windows 8 comes with
one, and in my view, that's a step backward.)


Following that philosophy they'd better left out Explorer,


No. You can't run without a shell, so Windows should come with such a
program.


Wordpad, calculator, backup


Yes. All poor utilities and it would be better to let people choose
for themselves.

It would have been nice if they included ERUNT too.
I guess I just don't see this the same way. It seems to me that by
including these basic apps, the new users at least get a head start. Then
later, if they find it deficient, they can replace it with something better.
I just don't see how including some of these basic apps really negates that.

Here is another classic example (IMO): Notepad. Works pretty well for
simple and short text files, which may be all you need for a quickie note.
And I think OE works pretty well for many users. It works well for me (with
OE-Quotefix), but granted, I don't have the need for Outlook right now.

In the earliest days of Windows, finding alternative programs wasn't
so easy. But in these days of the Internet, it definitely is.

and the whole lot of applications,

*What* whole lot of applications? There are almost none--just a few
utilities, and mostly very minor ones.

Well, add OE and Notepad to that list. :-)

so as to have the user
choose those all by himself?
I think forcing an aplication is'nt good, but suggesting a way to go is
great, especially in the case where the user can't keep using the
application he got used to.


The problem is that it's always much more than a suggestion. Except
for the skilled users, most people don't even realize there are other
choices.

I guess I give people the benefit of the doubt here, and assume if they find
the built-in apps deficient, they'll look around for some better ones.

I don't understand this line of reasoning, if someone else wishes to weigh
in and feels so inclined.

Bill in Co wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:02:20 +0100, "Linea Recta"
wrote:

"Ken Blake, MVP" schreef in bericht
...

My view is completely different from yours. Yes, Windows XP came
with a built-in e-mail client. Yes, Windows 7 came without one.

But in my view, that's good, not bad. It's a step forward. With
Windows XP, many people used Outlook Express because that's what
they had and they didn't even realize they had a choice of many others.

Windows 7, on the other hand, doesn't insist on, or even suggest,
which e-mail client to use. It lets each user choose for himself which
he thinks is best--Microsoft products as well as many non-Microsoft
products. That's *great*. (But unfortunately, Windows 8 comes with
one, and in my view, that's a step backward.)

Following that philosophy they'd better left out Explorer,

No. You can't run without a shell, so Windows should come with such a
program.

Wordpad, calculator, backup

Yes. All poor utilities and it would be better to let people choose
for themselves.

I guess I just don't see this the same way. It seems to me that by
including these basic apps, the new users at least get a head start. Then
later, if they find it deficient, they can replace it with something better.
I just don't see how including some of these basic apps really negates that.

Here is another classic example (IMO): Notepad. Works pretty well for
simple and short text files, which may be all you need for a quickie note.
And I think OE works pretty well for many users. It works well for me (with
OE-Quotefix), but granted, I don't have the need for Outlook right now.

I guess I give people the benefit of the doubt here, and assume if they find
the built-in apps deficient, they'll look around for some better ones.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:02:20 +0100, "Linea Recta"
wrote:
[]
Wordpad, calculator, backup


Yes. All poor utilities and it would be better to let people choose
for themselves.

It would have been nice if they included ERUNT too.

I always assumed they didn't include ERU/ERD in the standard install of
'9x (in fact I'm not even sure it was even on the '98 CD, though it was
on the '95 one and worked fine with '98), because they didn't want the
world seeing that backups of that sort were _necessary_.

Really? Would they have been that paranoid? :-)

My guess is they figured they had their bases covered with "System Restore",
which admitedly can do a more thorough job - andnd that System Restore would
be the best option for most users if something untoward happened.

ERUNT is a third-party item, of course, and requires a fourth-party (?)
something (BARTPE or similar - that's what ERUNT's author suggested when I
asked) to be able to actually _use_ it if XP won't boot.

I guess I just don't see this the same way. It seems to me that by
including these basic apps, the new users at least get a head start.
Then

Yes, I'd tend to agree.

And we know many users need that head start. Or at least I do (since I'm an
instructor) :-)

later, if they find it deficient, they can replace it with something
better.
I just don't see how including some of these basic apps really negates
that.

Here is another classic example (IMO): Notepad. Works pretty well for
simple and short text files, which may be all you need for a quickie
note.
And I think OE works pretty well for many users. It works well for me
(with
OE-Quotefix), but granted, I don't have the need for Outlook right now.

Yes, OE was IMO much maligned. (OK, it needed OE-Quotefix.)

Frankly, I been surprised by the malignment of this applet. I find OE (with
OE-QuoteFix) to be great for my needs. Then again, I'm not downloading any
binaries. :-)

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I think forcing an aplication is'nt good, but suggesting a way to go is
great, especially in the case where the user can't keep using the
application he got used to.


The problem is that it's always much more than a suggestion. Except
for the skilled users, most people don't even realize there are other
choices.

Indeed. And for something like an email client, even if they do realise,
changing isn't as trivial as changing to a Notepad/Calculator/etc.
equivalent - there are settings, emails, and contacts to be transferred.

Yes, assuming one wants to "transfer" settings and emails from one client to
another. But if it's a new user that wouldn't be an issue, since s/he
never set it up in the first place. And so s/he could instead choose to
install some other program (although I still don't know why s/he would want
to).

I guess I give people the benefit of the doubt here, and assume if they
find
the built-in apps deficient, they'll look around for some better ones.


Some will, some won't (especially the less computer-savvy who don't know
there _are_ "better" ones).

Well, you can't do everything for everybody. :-) And if they're really
less computer savvy, they'd probably be better off just using OE, because at
least it's there and ready to go. (and handles all basic needs pretty well)