Install win 8 without bloatware?

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 02:04:35 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

dadiOH wrote:

I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago. After
doing so, I saw no advantage to 8.1 and put back an image of Win8. While
8.1 lived, it wanted to be activated; no idea if there would be a problem in
doing so, I didn't bother to try.

I had the win8.1 update on a bootable DVD and my Acer BIOS would not let me
boot from it. In BIOS, I had to assign a password for "supervisor", doing
that allowed me access to what I needed to change to boot the DVD.


You used the reset/refresh pc to upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 ?

Fyi...8.0 is legacy ware, support ends Oct 2015, thereafter only *8.1
Update* (not 8.1 RTM) will receive program and security updates.

What's the best way to ensure that we're on the version that will receive
program and security updates?


You really don't get much choice - 8.1 Update is the baseline
8.0 needs to be updated to 8.1 and then to 8.1 Update or directly from
8.0 to 8.1 Update
- if not program and security updates cease for:
8.0 in October 2015
8.1 in May/June 2015

The exception for the 8.0 user is when the slightly different System
Requirements for 8.1 prevent the ability for 8.0 hardware to 'move up'
to 8.1.

Likewise, the same could be in play for Win10 and Win7 systems. If the
Win7 system meets 8.0 but not 8.1 requirements then it is very unlikely
that the free Win7-to-Win10 will be available.

It seems imminently clear that MSFT plan is to become a one operating
system program and patch provider.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

.. . .winston wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
Kenny wrote:
New Acer laptop with Win 8.1 which has what I consider crapware
installed. I have removed some of it but was wondering if it would
be worthwhile doing a clean reinstall using the image provided
he
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media
The intention would be to then update OS and drivers, install any
programs I want and make a usable image of it to replace Acer's
factory reset. Main worry is that I would run into problems with
Windows activation
or that Acer BIOS would somehow stop me from doing it.
Advice appreciated, especially from anyone who has done this.

I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago.
After doing so, I saw no advantage to 8.1 and put back an image of
Win8. While 8.1 lived, it wanted to be activated; no idea if
there would be a
problem in doing so, I didn't bother to try.

I had the win8.1 update on a bootable DVD and my Acer BIOS would
not let me boot from it. In BIOS, I had to assign a password for
"supervisor", doing that allowed me access to what I needed to
change to boot the DVD.

You used the reset/refresh pc to upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 ?

No, it was a 4GB +- DVD, the contents of which I had d/l from
somewhere months ago. Click "setup.exe" and an hour later I had Win
8.1 PRO instead of Win 8 (plain).

Fyi...8.0 is legacy ware, support ends Oct 2015, thereafter only
*8.1 Update* (not 8.1 RTM) will receive program and security
updates.

NP, I don't update MS stuff anyway. I figure they have had 30+
years to get things right and if they haven't (they haven't) they
never will. I still use XP on my desktop puter.


That DVD approach makes more sense since this didn't.

"I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago"
The link -
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Let me rephrase it...

I used the SITE you linked to d/l the file and then put it on a bootable
DVD.

All better?

dadiOH wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
Kenny wrote:
New Acer laptop with Win 8.1 which has what I consider crapware
installed. I have removed some of it but was wondering if it would
be worthwhile doing a clean reinstall using the image provided
he
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media
The intention would be to then update OS and drivers, install any
programs I want and make a usable image of it to replace Acer's
factory reset. Main worry is that I would run into problems with
Windows activation
or that Acer BIOS would somehow stop me from doing it.
Advice appreciated, especially from anyone who has done this.

I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago.
After doing so, I saw no advantage to 8.1 and put back an image of
Win8. While 8.1 lived, it wanted to be activated; no idea if
there would be a
problem in doing so, I didn't bother to try.

I had the win8.1 update on a bootable DVD and my Acer BIOS would
not let me boot from it. In BIOS, I had to assign a password for
"supervisor", doing that allowed me access to what I needed to
change to boot the DVD.

You used the reset/refresh pc to upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 ?

No, it was a 4GB +- DVD, the contents of which I had d/l from
somewhere months ago. Click "setup.exe" and an hour later I had Win
8.1 PRO instead of Win 8 (plain).

Fyi...8.0 is legacy ware, support ends Oct 2015, thereafter only
*8.1 Update* (not 8.1 RTM) will receive program and security
updates.

NP, I don't update MS stuff anyway. I figure they have had 30+
years to get things right and if they haven't (they haven't) they
never will. I still use XP on my desktop puter.


That DVD approach makes more sense since this didn't.

"I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago"
The link -
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Let me rephrase it...

I used the SITE you linked to d/l the file and then put it on a bootable
DVD.

All better?


I didn't link to anything in this thread.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

.. . .winston wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
Kenny wrote:
New Acer laptop with Win 8.1 which has what I consider crapware
installed. I have removed some of it but was wondering if it
would be worthwhile doing a clean reinstall using the image provided
he
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media
The intention would be to then update OS and drivers, install
any programs I want and make a usable image of it to replace
Acer's factory reset. Main worry is that I would run into
problems with Windows activation
or that Acer BIOS would somehow stop me from doing it.
Advice appreciated, especially from anyone who has done this.

I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago.
After doing so, I saw no advantage to 8.1 and put back an image
of Win8. While 8.1 lived, it wanted to be activated; no idea if
there would be a
problem in doing so, I didn't bother to try.

I had the win8.1 update on a bootable DVD and my Acer BIOS would
not let me boot from it. In BIOS, I had to assign a password for
"supervisor", doing that allowed me access to what I needed to
change to boot the DVD.

You used the reset/refresh pc to upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 ?

No, it was a 4GB +- DVD, the contents of which I had d/l from
somewhere months ago. Click "setup.exe" and an hour later I had
Win 8.1 PRO instead of Win 8 (plain).

Fyi...8.0 is legacy ware, support ends Oct 2015, thereafter only
*8.1 Update* (not 8.1 RTM) will receive program and security
updates.

NP, I don't update MS stuff anyway. I figure they have had 30+
years to get things right and if they haven't (they haven't) they
never will. I still use XP on my desktop puter.


That DVD approach makes more sense since this didn't.

"I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago"
The link -
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Let me rephrase it...

I used the SITE you linked to d/l the file and then put it on a
bootable DVD.

All better?


I didn't link to anything in this thread.

I know. My "linked" comment was originally in response to Kenny (the OP)
who did post the link. You (I thought) misunderstod my syntax in the
sentence and I was trying to rewrite it in a more understandable form.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:51:44 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 02:04:35 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

dadiOH wrote:

I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago. After
doing so, I saw no advantage to 8.1 and put back an image of Win8. While
8.1 lived, it wanted to be activated; no idea if there would be a problem in
doing so, I didn't bother to try.

I had the win8.1 update on a bootable DVD and my Acer BIOS would not let me
boot from it. In BIOS, I had to assign a password for "supervisor", doing
that allowed me access to what I needed to change to boot the DVD.


You used the reset/refresh pc to upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 ?

Fyi...8.0 is legacy ware, support ends Oct 2015, thereafter only *8.1
Update* (not 8.1 RTM) will receive program and security updates.

What's the best way to ensure that we're on the version that will receive
program and security updates?


You really don't get much choice - 8.1 Update is the baseline
8.0 needs to be updated to 8.1 and then to 8.1 Update or directly from
8.0 to 8.1 Update
- if not program and security updates cease for:
8.0 in October 2015
8.1 in May/June 2015

The exception for the 8.0 user is when the slightly different System
Requirements for 8.1 prevent the ability for 8.0 hardware to 'move up'
to 8.1.

Likewise, the same could be in play for Win10 and Win7 systems. If the
Win7 system meets 8.0 but not 8.1 requirements then it is very unlikely
that the free Win7-to-Win10 will be available.

It seems imminently clear that MSFT plan is to become a one operating
system program and patch provider.

So, what's the best way to ensure that we're on the version (8.1 Update,
apparently) that will receive program and security updates? ;-)

In other words, I'm running 8.1 on this laptop, but how do I know if it's
just 8.1 or if it's 8.1 Update?

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:51:44 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 02:04:35 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

dadiOH wrote:

I used the image you linked to upgrade Win8 to 8.1 two days ago. After
doing so, I saw no advantage to 8.1 and put back an image of Win8. While
8.1 lived, it wanted to be activated; no idea if there would be a problem in
doing so, I didn't bother to try.

I had the win8.1 update on a bootable DVD and my Acer BIOS would not let me
boot from it. In BIOS, I had to assign a password for "supervisor", doing
that allowed me access to what I needed to change to boot the DVD.


You used the reset/refresh pc to upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 ?

Fyi...8.0 is legacy ware, support ends Oct 2015, thereafter only *8.1
Update* (not 8.1 RTM) will receive program and security updates.

What's the best way to ensure that we're on the version that will receive
program and security updates?


You really don't get much choice - 8.1 Update is the baseline
8.0 needs to be updated to 8.1 and then to 8.1 Update or directly from
8.0 to 8.1 Update
- if not program and security updates cease for:
8.0 in October 2015
8.1 in May/June 2015

The exception for the 8.0 user is when the slightly different System
Requirements for 8.1 prevent the ability for 8.0 hardware to 'move up'
to 8.1.

Likewise, the same could be in play for Win10 and Win7 systems. If the
Win7 system meets 8.0 but not 8.1 requirements then it is very unlikely
that the free Win7-to-Win10 will be available.

It seems imminently clear that MSFT plan is to become a one operating
system program and patch provider.

So, what's the best way to ensure that we're on the version (8.1 Update,
apparently) that will receive program and security updates? ;-)

In other words, I'm running 8.1 on this laptop, but how do I know if it's
just 8.1 or if it's 8.1 Update?

Details, details

KB 2919355 would be present and show as successfully installed in
Windows Update's history.


But an easier and simpler route exists, though maybe not for those
unwilling to travel to the Windows 8.1 Update Start Screen.

- go to the Start screen. If you see a Search button near your account
name at the top of the Start screen, you already have the update.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:48:12 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

So, what's the best way to ensure that we're on the version (8.1 Update,
apparently) that will receive program and security updates? ;-)

In other words, I'm running 8.1 on this laptop, but how do I know if it's
just 8.1 or if it's 8.1 Update?

Details, details

KB 2919355 would be present and show as successfully installed in
Windows Update's history.


But an easier and simpler route exists, though maybe not for those
unwilling to travel to the Windows 8.1 Update Start Screen.

- go to the Start screen. If you see a Search button near your account
name at the top of the Start screen, you already have the update.

Cool, thanks. I have both KB2919355 and the Search button, and I didn't have
to visit the MS store. Woohoo! :-)

Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:48:12 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

So, what's the best way to ensure that we're on the version (8.1 Update,
apparently) that will receive program and security updates? ;-)

In other words, I'm running 8.1 on this laptop, but how do I know if it's
just 8.1 or if it's 8.1 Update?

Details, details

KB 2919355 would be present and show as successfully installed in
Windows Update's history.


But an easier and simpler route exists, though maybe not for those
unwilling to travel to the Windows 8.1 Update Start Screen.

- go to the Start screen. If you see a Search button near your account
name at the top of the Start screen, you already have the update.

Cool, thanks. I have both KB2919355 and the Search button, and I didn't have
to visit the MS store. Woohoo! :-)


You're good to go...wherever that is.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps