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Managing partitions with 'Disk Management'
On 2015-09-28, Eternal Hope wrote:
I have all sorts of stuff lying about including an unopened copy of WFW 3.11 still in it's shipping packaging but it's not about me it's about the average non-technical user having to make the effort (and find the time) to understand the often less that obvious solution to a problem most of them don't realize they have until it all goes tits up. Basically the position I take is that if someone is going to use this technology without making the effort to at least learn the basics, they are victims by definition and it just doesn't matter what happens to them. It's like someone wanting to drive a car without knowing what any of the controls do, what traffic signals are for, or understanding that some maintenance is required. Let them lose their photos, documents, etc., out of sheer ignorance. (I've seen it happen more than once.) No skin off my nose, and it'll be a learning experience for them. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On 28/09/2015 13:13, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 11:08:47 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: At the moment, each time someone comes in with a laptop I'm asking them if they have ever made any backups or created any recovery media. Only once has someone actually understood the question. E.H., I think I can help clear up your confusion. As with an automobile, virtually anyone can buy and attempt to use a computer. However, without a certain degree of knowledge, the purchaser will be at the mercy of service providers when it comes to proper maintenance and repair. S.N., Y'know what, as I was typing that I thought "hmm, this sounds a lot like owning a car..." weird. I hope I'm not turning into you. The horror :-) I still can't get over the feeling that this would all be so much easier if we still got a disc with our machines. I have 5 laptops here at home, and many more at the community centre. I have everything but Vista installed on one or more of them so I suppose it's a case of figuring out best practice for each release and writing something up that I can hand to people when it all goes horribly wrong. I think I'll ignore the vendor specific stuff and just concentrate on what comes with Windows to start with. Maybe it's time for one of the older machines to make the ultimate sacrifice and become my test bed. I wouldn't have to do this if the blasted things came with a bloody DISC though would I? Grrrrrr. -- Laughing Spam Fritter |
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On 28/09/2015 14:35, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2015-09-28, Eternal Hope wrote: I have all sorts of stuff lying about including an unopened copy of WFW 3.11 still in it's shipping packaging but it's not about me it's about the average non-technical user having to make the effort (and find the time) to understand the often less that obvious solution to a problem most of them don't realize they have until it all goes tits up. Basically the position I take is that if someone is going to use this technology without making the effort to at least learn the basics, they are victims by definition and it just doesn't matter what happens to them. It's like someone wanting to drive a car without knowing what any of the controls do, what traffic signals are for, or understanding that some maintenance is required. Let them lose their photos, documents, etc., out of sheer ignorance. (I've seen it happen more than once.) No skin off my nose, and it'll be a learning experience for them. Unfortunately I've seen the effects that losing treasured photos, email and memories can have on people, particularly the older members of our community. It can be something akin to losing a treasured pet and most times there's absolutely nothing I can do to help them. I'm starting to recommend Dropbox but that has it's own issues. As for the 'Micro$oft cloud' spyware. Not on my watch. -- Laughing Spam Fritter |
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En el artículo , Roger Blake
escribió: Basically the position I take is that if someone is going to use this technology without making the effort to at least learn the basics, they are victims by definition +1. And they come to whinge endlessly on usenet. -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
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On 2015-09-28, Eternal Hope wrote:
Unfortunately I've seen the effects that losing treasured photos, email and memories can have on people, particularly the older members of our community. It can be something akin to losing a treasured pet and most times there's absolutely nothing I can do to help them. Unfortunate, but the nature of this technology is that it will bite you in the ass at some point and if you don't prepare for that eventuality you deserve whatever you get. You don't drive a car and expect good results without knowing the rules of the road. Same thing using a computer, if you don't bother to learn the basics you're not going to have a good outcome. People who are not willing to learn should stick to film cameras for taking their treasured photos and keep them in a photo album or a shoebox. As for the 'Micro$oft cloud' spyware. ... I'm not a big fan of so-called "cloud" services since you lose control of your data. I suppose for someone not willing to do their own local backups it is better than nothing. There are many that do claim to encrypt your files before uploading. Some offer a basic free service with limited space. (For example Idrive offers 5GB for free. I have no idea if that comes with unwanted data mining at no charge as well.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On 28/09/2015 23:28, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Roger Blake escribió: Basically the position I take is that if someone is going to use this technology without making the effort to at least learn the basics, they are victims by definition +1. And they come to whinge endlessly on usenet. This from someone who's entire contribution to this thread consists of circa 6 posts mostly bitching and whining. -- Laughing Spam Fritter |
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On 9/19/15 10:36 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:30:15 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: On 19/09/2015 15:35, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:19:38 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: We have been donated a brand new lap top FWIW it's a 64 bit Lenovo G50 it's supposedly an entry level pc You changed your nym recently, didn't you? I can't remember the former nym, but aren't you the same person who has volunteered to support a computer lab being run as part of a municipal outreach program? Are you thinking of me, Stormin'? G Even if not, I'm not supporting a computer lab for a municipal outreach program. My situation sounds close to Eternal's. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 29/09/2015 14:21, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:36:38 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/19/15 10:36 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:30:15 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: On 19/09/2015 15:35, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:19:38 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: We have been donated a brand new lap top FWIW it's a 64 bit Lenovo G50 it's supposedly an entry level pc You changed your nym recently, didn't you? I can't remember the former nym, but aren't you the same person who has volunteered to support a computer lab being run as part of a municipal outreach program? Are you thinking of me, Stormin'? G Even if not, I'm not supporting a computer lab for a municipal outreach program. My situation sounds close to Eternal's. What are the parameters of your support situation Ken? The what? ... of your what? What? let's see public void supportSituation(Location l, Duration d, MapClient, Machine clients){ .... } How's that. -- Laughing Spam Fritter |
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On 29/09/2015 16:01, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:57:13 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: On 29/09/2015 14:21, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:36:38 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/19/15 10:36 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:30:15 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: On 19/09/2015 15:35, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:19:38 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: We have been donated a brand new lap top FWIW it's a 64 bit Lenovo G50 it's supposedly an entry level pc You changed your nym recently, didn't you? I can't remember the former nym, but aren't you the same person who has volunteered to support a computer lab being run as part of a municipal outreach program? Are you thinking of me, Stormin'? G Even if not, I'm not supporting a computer lab for a municipal outreach program. My situation sounds close to Eternal's. What are the parameters of your support situation Ken? The what? ... of your what? What? let's see public void supportSituation(Location l, Duration d, MapClient, Machine clients){ ... } How's that. Is your name Ken? I thought it was "Eternal"? My question was directed to "Ken Springer". Oh dear, have we had a sense of humor failure? BTW are you now or have you ever been a teacher/police orificer/screw/traffic warden? I ask because you do seem inordinately fond of telling people what they can/should be saying/typing/thinking. Justa question Tally Ho! -- Laughing Spam Fritter |
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On 29/09/2015 17:54, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:28:40 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: Is your name Ken? I thought it was "Eternal"? My question was directed to "Ken Springer". Oh dear, have we had a sense of humor failure? Were you attempting to be facetious? It seemed more like you were having a decaf precipitated senior episode. Go figure..... BTW are you now or have you ever been a teacher/police orificer/screw/traffic warden? I ask because you do seem inordinately fond of telling people what they can/should be saying/typing/thinking. Justa question Tally Ho! I apologize if I have somehow marginalized your freedom of expression. You obviously feel victimized and need to strike out in a passive aggressive manner. I feel terrible...... Gosh, you do use a lot of big words don't you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passiv...ssive_behavior Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible. Which bit is the passive-aggressive bit? -- Laughing Spam Fritter |
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On 9/29/15 7:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:36:38 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/19/15 10:36 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:30:15 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: On 19/09/2015 15:35, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:19:38 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: We have been donated a brand new lap top FWIW it's a 64 bit Lenovo G50 it's supposedly an entry level pc You changed your nym recently, didn't you? I can't remember the former nym, but aren't you the same person who has volunteered to support a computer lab being run as part of a municipal outreach program? Are you thinking of me, Stormin'? G Even if not, I'm not supporting a computer lab for a municipal outreach program. My situation sounds close to Eternal's. What are the parameters of your support situation Ken? Hi, Stormin'', I'm kinda like E.H. here, not exactly sure what you're asking. But here's the general story... I've always enjoyed reinstalling the OS and setting systems up, and eventually ended up connected to a small private social agency. Support for low income and single parent families, pregnant women, etc. For the last 3-4 years, when I had collected enough hardware, I'd build a legal system and donate it. Usually XP at the time. About 3 months ago, donated 2 Vista systems, expecting them to be passed through like usual. But no-o-o-o-o-o... They kept one for a new employee to set up Access databases for them. While she knew older versions of Access (2007 initially gave her fits), she knew nothing about the computer itself. She's retired, and I suspect she worked somewhere that gave her instructions to get to Access, or set the machine up to just go to Access. I was hired to teach her Vista, and billed for X hours and donated Y hours. During the day, she said she's also been charged with setting up some small educational programs. One thing she wanted to do was computers. Dumb me, I said I would do them, thinking but not asking if they already had a curriculum of some kind. Nope, not a stitch, just an idea. So, I'm now creating said classes. In setting the computer up, I had questions about her email, the network, etc. to do a good job, and it turned out they have no one on the premises that knows much about computers. So, I'm going to set up there stuff in some reasonable way, and get some reimbursement for the work. Auto updating in the middle of the night, malware checks in the middle of the night, etc. Also clean up all the systems, get them to using accounts, all of them with mostly identical software, etc. One or two people may have software only they need due to their jobs. Already working on one system, and the AV subscription was expired on it. pulling out hair Got that fixed right away. Malwarebytes found almost 900 issues. I rather expect to find this situation on all of the systems. And install Teamviewer so I can do remote assistance from home. I'm hoping they all have Win 7, and if so upgrade them to W10 while it's still free. I'm going to set up a sample W10 system for all the employees to try in order to see where I want to end up. Is that kind of what you wanted to know? -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 9/29/15 3:11 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:07:49 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/29/15 7:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:36:38 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/19/15 10:36 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:30:15 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: On 19/09/2015 15:35, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:19:38 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: We have been donated a brand new lap top FWIW it's a 64 bit Lenovo G50 it's supposedly an entry level pc You changed your nym recently, didn't you? I can't remember the former nym, but aren't you the same person who has volunteered to support a computer lab being run as part of a municipal outreach program? Are you thinking of me, Stormin'? G Even if not, I'm not supporting a computer lab for a municipal outreach program. My situation sounds close to Eternal's. What are the parameters of your support situation Ken? Hi, Stormin'', I'm kinda like E.H. here, not exactly sure what you're asking. But here's the general story... I've always enjoyed reinstalling the OS and setting systems up, and eventually ended up connected to a small private social agency. Support for low income and single parent families, pregnant women, etc. For the last 3-4 years, when I had collected enough hardware, I'd build a legal system and donate it. Usually XP at the time. About 3 months ago, donated 2 Vista systems, expecting them to be passed through like usual. But no-o-o-o-o-o... They kept one for a new employee to set up Access databases for them. While she knew older versions of Access (2007 initially gave her fits), she knew nothing about the computer itself. She's retired, and I suspect she worked somewhere that gave her instructions to get to Access, or set the machine up to just go to Access. I was hired to teach her Vista, and billed for X hours and donated Y hours. During the day, she said she's also been charged with setting up some small educational programs. One thing she wanted to do was computers. Dumb me, I said I would do them, thinking but not asking if they already had a curriculum of some kind. Nope, not a stitch, just an idea. So, I'm now creating said classes. In setting the computer up, I had questions about her email, the network, etc. to do a good job, and it turned out they have no one on the premises that knows much about computers. So, I'm going to set up there stuff in some reasonable way, and get some reimbursement for the work. Auto updating in the middle of the night, malware checks in the middle of the night, etc. Also clean up all the systems, get them to using accounts, all of them with mostly identical software, etc. One or two people may have software only they need due to their jobs. Already working on one system, and the AV subscription was expired on it. pulling out hair Got that fixed right away. Malwarebytes found almost 900 issues. I rather expect to find this situation on all of the systems. And install Teamviewer so I can do remote assistance from home. I'm hoping they all have Win 7, and if so upgrade them to W10 while it's still free. I'm going to set up a sample W10 system for all the employees to try in order to see where I want to end up. Is that kind of what you wanted to know? Yes Ken, I couldn't remember that you were working with a private social agency, I thought it was a municipality. I admire what you and E. H. are doing to help people, it is a very good thing. Thank you, Stormin', your feelings are appreciated. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 29/09/2015 18:25, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:06:04 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: On 29/09/2015 17:54, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:28:40 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote: Is your name Ken? I thought it was "Eternal"? My question was directed to "Ken Springer". Oh dear, have we had a sense of humor failure? Were you attempting to be facetious? It seemed more like you were having a decaf precipitated senior episode. Go figure..... BTW are you now or have you ever been a teacher/police orificer/screw/traffic warden? I ask because you do seem inordinately fond of telling people what they can/should be saying/typing/thinking. Justa question Tally Ho! I apologize if I have somehow marginalized your freedom of expression. You obviously feel victimized and need to strike out in a passive aggressive manner. I feel terrible...... Gosh, you do use a lot of big words don't you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passiv...ssive_behavior Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible. Which bit is the passive-aggressive bit? IMHO, the nature of your question indicates that you do in fact feel victimized by me, but that you take issue with how I characterized the manner in which you struck out. Was my apology not adequate to soothe your wounds? You seem to be using a petty, indirect approach of addressing a difference. If you don't like something I wrote, tell me what that is, specifically, and let's resolve the issue like adults. ROFLOL! Oh Stormy, you're so funny. Really, please stop worrying, it's bad for the blood pressure. I've been at this way to long to be offended, insulted or otherwise 'victimized' by a faceless node on the Usenet network (that's an abstraction BTW) humor Maybe we need an explicit 'victimization' protocol How about Victimization over Network News Transfer Protocol or V/NNTP for short. That way, at least I'll *know* if someone is trying to victimize me :-) /humor -- Laughing Spam Fritter |
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