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Windows Services and Startup
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 26 Sep 2015 10:20:57
-0400, "Mayayana" wrote: I wrote a utility for XP when I first ran into the services problem: http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5 This looks very nice. I'm stuck running Vista until I can fix XP, Will XPFix run on Vista and will it do any good? You say: " Vista has arrived, followed by Windows 7, which is a minor update of Vista." Is Win8 mostly like win7? A minor update? I guess I'm asking to know if time I spend on Vista or 7 will do me any good when I am forced to go to 8, or 10. It's designed to provide an easy tool that allows me to quickly trim down and tame any XP system I need to work on. A selective collection of tweaks, including a basic services trimmer. But it's not intended for use by people who want an easy solution. It's more like a partial distillation of the information that one can get from sources like blackviper.com. I had been looking up the services and startup programs one at a time. A real pain. Does he speed this up? The intent was to narrow down how much people have to research and understand in order to clean up XP services. (It also serves as a handy info repository for me. I spend days or weeks figuring these things out and then if I don't write it all down I've forgotten a few months later. I haven't, so far, made a similar tool for Win7. I do know that Win7 has a lot more services running by default. So, a lot more details to figure out. I'm sure. |
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Windows Services and Startup
"Mayayana" wrote in message
... | All Windows Services are self-documenting i.e. can be reviewed at | /start / control panel / admin tools / services. It can be useful, but it's not designed in the interest of either security or simplicity. Example: . . . Messenger service, unrelated to Windows Messenger, allows corporate network admins to show messages to employees. . . . Not very informative, especially for people with little experience. If Don depends on those descriptions then I'm guessing he's never tried to trim down services. Wrong guess: when I adopted wireless Internet I turned off all apparently nonessential Services (and restored the odd one where I misjudged.) Results are satisfactory and have been unchanged for 6+ years. I plan to continue using XP (SP3) until forced by essential new hardware. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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Windows Services and Startup
| I wrote a utility for XP when I first ran into the
| services problem: | | http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5 | | This looks very nice. I'm stuck running Vista until I can fix XP, | | Will XPFix run on Vista and will it do any good? | Much of it, like removing Windows File Protectionand most of the tweaks, are XP-specific. The services should be relevant, but there are a lot more new ones on Vista. (The iframes block is still relevant, but outdated. I should fix that. As written it hides iframes but does not prevent them loading. One needs to block frames for that.) | You say: " Vista has arrived, followed by Windows 7, which is a minor | update of Vista." | Win7 was basically Vista with more tolerable defaults. Vista brought in UAC. Win7 provided mitigation of that. Hardware was also more up to date with Win7, so the Aero bloat that caused so many problems with Vista wasn't a problem with Win7. Thus, Vista is hated and Win7 is loved. That's often the case. The OS is judged by its defaults. | Is Win8 mostly like win7? A minor update? I guess I'm asking to | know if time I spend on Vista or 7 will do me any good when I am forced | to go to 8, or 10. As far as I can tell, Win8 is Win7 with Metro tacked on. I haven't used it much. Vista/7/8 have different issues. Win10 is a whole other can of beans. (Win7/8 may also be if you don't block microsoft's spyware install.) But there are so many different issues, and people feeling differently about them, that it doesn't seem realistic to fully discuss them. For myself, I try to stay with XP and use 7 sparingly, without updates enabled. If I have to move on I'd prefer moving as little as possible. I can tolerate Vista/7. Win8 is unforgiveable. On the other hand, it looks like a lifeboat next to Win10. | that one can get from sources like blackviper.com. | | I had been looking up the services and startup programs one at a time. | A real pain. Does he speed this up? | He provides useful, clear information about how the different services work and interact. If you want to adjust services then you really need to figure out those details. Blackviper doesn't so much make the job easier as he provides the necessary knowledge that Microsoft *should* have provided. |
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Windows Services and Startup
In message , Mayayana
writes: [] I wrote a utility for XP when I first ran into the services problem: http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5 It's designed to provide an easy tool that allows me to quickly trim down and tame any XP system I need to work on. A selective collection of tweaks, including a basic services trimmer. But it's not intended for use by people who want an easy solution. Thanks - it looks most useful. (Very near the bottom of the above page - in the bit about IconsXP - you have a link to Icon Restore. Which is now a dead link, unfortunately.) [] services. (It also serves as a handy info repository for me. I spend days or weeks figuring these things out and then if I don't write it all down I've forgotten a few months later. IKWYM (-: I haven't, so far, made a similar tool for Win7. I do know that Win7 has a lot more services running by default. So, a lot more details to figure out. If you do, it will be welcomed (-:! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf After a typical day at the BBC you want something to take your mind off work, although in the end, decent people being eaten alive by heartless monsters running amok proved no distraction. - Eddie Mair, RT 2015/7/4-10 |
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Windows Services and Startup
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mayayana writes: [] I wrote a utility for XP when I first ran into the services problem: http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5 It's designed to provide an easy tool that allows me to quickly trim down and tame any XP system I need to work on. A selective collection of tweaks, including a basic services trimmer. But it's not intended for use by people who want an easy solution. Thanks - it looks most useful. (Very near the bottom of the above page - in the bit about IconsXP - you have a link to Icon Restore. Which is now a dead link, unfortunately.) [] Here's a link for Icon Restore (from MajorGeeks site): http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...n_restore.html Hmmm. Might be worth trying XPFix again. I guess the trick is knowing which services you can safely disable, however. Better keep some backups handy, or some good notes. :-) services. (It also serves as a handy info repository for me. I spend days or weeks figuring these things out and then if I don't write it all down I've forgotten a few months later. IKWYM (-: I haven't, so far, made a similar tool for Win7. I do know that Win7 has a lot more services running by default. So, a lot more details to figure out. If you do, it will be welcomed (-:! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf After a typical day at the BBC you want something to take your mind off work, although in the end, decent people being eaten alive by heartless monsters running amok proved no distraction. - Eddie Mair, RT 2015/7/4-10 |
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Windows Services and Startup
On 2015-09-26 09:20, Mayayana wrote:
| You see any problems with doing this for every single service? I'm | thinking this would be great for services using the network; I could | finally control them with the firewall... | I do that by simply not needing any remote services. I block any instance of svchost going out. Do you know a firewall that can block one instance of svchost but not another? I don't. The Windoze firewall (Win7+) can /almost/ do this. When you create a rule for SVCHOST, you CAN specify a service. When a SVCHOST tries to access the network, Windows will check if the service you specified is running inside that host. If it is, the host is allowed. It's just that if you want to allow 1 service in/out, and it runs along 20 others inside a single host, you're effectively allowing all of those services. Also, it doesn't always work; I've had to create a rule that allows plain SVCHOST (no service specified) for some subnets, because I couldn't get it to work when specifying a single service... Best Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Member-+-David-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/Planetary-Society-+- oO-( )-Oo Error 13: Insufficient user IQ. |
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Windows Services and Startup
| (Very near the bottom of the above page - in the bit about IconsXP - you
| have a link to Icon Restore. Which is now a dead link, unfortunately.) Thanks. I 'll update that. Here's a link that works, and major geeks, in my experience, is one of the very few software download sites that's still legitimate: http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...n_restore.html |
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Windows Services and Startup (now icon position restorers)
In message , Mayayana
writes: | (Very near the bottom of the above page - in the bit about IconsXP - you | have a link to Icon Restore. Which is now a dead link, unfortunately.) Thanks. I 'll update that. Here's a link that works, and major geeks, in my experience, is one of the very few software download sites that's still legitimate: http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...n_restore.html Thanks (and to Bill for the same link). FWIW, for remembering icon positions, I've used EZdesk for years (possibly decades!), but it doesn't work on 7, then iconoid from sillysot - and desktopOK (I think that's what it's called) on the work machine where iconoid wouldn't run. But extra ones are always useful to know about. DesktopOK does have the option of saving the results in an actual file (a .dok file), which means it doesn't rely on using the registry. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf A clean, neat and orderly desk is a sign of a sick mind. (G6JPG's mind is clearly extremely healthy ...) |
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