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  #1  
Old January 2nd 19, 04:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Freelance Writer
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Default Clean operating system

I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install.
Like everyone I don't want to lose anything.
Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system.

The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes
long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are
fine.

Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files.

The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds.
The rest move instantly.

This is after the disks have spun up.
Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe.

Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever.
Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system.

But how to do that gracefully?
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  #2  
Old January 2nd 19, 04:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Idaho Homo Joe
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Default Clean operating system

On 1/1/2019 10:02 PM, Freelance Writer wrote:
I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install.
Like everyone I don't want to lose anything.
Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system.

The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes
long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are
fine.

Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files.

The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds.
The rest move instantly.

This is after the disks have spun up.
Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe.

Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever.
Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system.

But how to do that gracefully?


You're too stupid to use a computer.
Go to a nursing home and sniff dirty
geriatric diapers instead.
  #3  
Old January 2nd 19, 06:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Clean operating system

Freelance Writer wrote:
I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install.
Like everyone I don't want to lose anything.
Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system.

The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes
long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are
fine.

Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files.

The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds.
The rest move instantly.

This is after the disks have spun up.
Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe.

Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever.
Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system.

But how to do that gracefully?


A "Repair" install is inexpensive.

Mount the Win10 installer DVD ISO file, or insert the Win10
installer DVD in the drive while Win10 is running. Execute
Setup.exe on the resulting DVD device in Explorer, to
kick off a Repair Install.

The installer will tell you that your Programs and User Data
will be preserved.

The old OS will be in C:\Windows.old for ten days before it
is auto-deleted. Or, you can use Cleanmgr.exe after the
system comes back up, to delete the old OS. Don't delete
C:\Windows.old by hand, as there are a couple very
nasty file system features hiding in there that Cleanmgr
knows how to deal with.

You can "revert" if the installation attempt fails, and
the contents of Windows.old (contains both the old OS
and any removed Program Files).

If the installer finds Program Files which are "not compatible"
it will remove them. This normally happens on a Win7 to Win10
upgrade, rather than a Win10 to Win10 Repair Install, so for
this case, *nothing* should be removed.

If this fixes something, great. If not, you've only
wasted an hour or two of your time.

You must have sufficient disk space for this. On a 32GB tablet
device, that can be a problem, and doing this to a tablet,
I don't know what to tell you.

*******

If you're going to do a clean install, that's much more involved.
And if you actually wanted your setup precisely preserved,
could cost you money (~$50 per time). Alternately you
can fiddle with stuff by hand, but it could take months to
get all the old programs reinstalled after a clean install.

A clean install removes user files and program files, and
requires Windows Update to patch the OS from 17763.1 to
17753.451 or similar. Clean installs are reserved for cases
where malware has thoroughly riddled the system.

*******

You can use Process Monitor, Process Explorer or the like,
to trace what happens on the slow cases. You can use the
limited forensic materials to take a stab at it.

The older OSes had the Superfetch service which I used
to disable, but I think that's been removed. Windows Defender
generally isn't as bad as the problem you describe so it's
probably not that. Windows Defender is annoying, and definitely
does harm (reduces file I/O by a factor of seven in some
cases), but there should not be a huge latency issue
for every little thing you try to do.

When Windows 10 introduces Containers, I expect the
OS to turn into Molasses, so we have something to
look forward to :-/ Containers and virtualization
have already been attempted by some AV products,
and I tell people to turn that off if they complain
about it.

Paul
  #4  
Old January 2nd 19, 02:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Clean operating system

On 1/2/19 12:05 AM, Paul wrote:
Freelance Writer wrote:
I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install.
Like everyone I don't want to lose anything.
Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system.

The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes
long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are
fine.

Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files.

The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds.
The rest move instantly.

This is after the disks have spun up.
Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe.

Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever.
Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system.

But how to do that gracefully?


A "Repair" install is inexpensive.

Mount the Win10 installer DVD ISO file, or insert the Win10
installer DVD in the drive while Win10 is running. Execute
Setup.exe on the resulting DVD device in Explorer, to
kick off a Repair Install.

The installer will tell you that your Programs and User Data
will be preserved.

The old OS will be in C:\Windows.old for ten days before it
is auto-deleted. Or, you can use Cleanmgr.exe after the
system comes back up, to delete the old OS. Don't delete
C:\Windows.old by hand, as there are a couple very
nasty file system features hiding in there that Cleanmgr
knows how to deal with.

You can "revert" if the installation attempt fails, and
the contents of Windows.old (contains both the old OS
and any removed Program Files).

If the installer finds Program Files which are "not compatible"
it will remove them. This normally happens on a Win7 to Win10
upgrade, rather than a Win10 to Win10 Repair Install, so for
this case, *nothing* should be removed.

If this fixes something, great. If not, you've only
wasted an hour or two of your time.

You must have sufficient disk space for this. On a 32GB tablet
device, that can be a problem, and doing this to a tablet,
I don't know what to tell you.

*******

If you're going to do a clean install, that's much more involved.
And if you actually wanted your setup precisely preserved,
could cost you money (~$50 per time). Alternately you
can fiddle with stuff by hand, but it could take months to
get all the old programs reinstalled after a clean install.

A clean install removes user files and program files, and
requires Windows Update to patch the OS from 17763.1 to
17753.451 or similar. Clean installs are reserved for cases
where malware has thoroughly riddled the system.

*******

You can use Process Monitor, Process Explorer or the like,
to trace what happens on the slow cases. You can use the
limited forensic materials to take a stab at it.

The older OSes had the Superfetch service which I used
to disable, but I think that's been removed. Windows Defender
generally isn't as bad as the problem you describe so it's
probably not that. Windows Defender is annoying, and definitely
does harm (reduces file I/O by a factor of seven in some
cases), but there should not be a huge latency issue
for every little thing you try to do.

When Windows 10 introduces Containers, I expect the
OS to turn into Molasses, so we have something to
look forward to :-/ Containers and virtualization
have already been attempted by some AV products,
and I tell people to turn that off if they complain
about it.

Â*Â* Paul

Does this type of repair install remove all the vendor bloatware? Sony
Vaio?

Also, if done, how many of the extra partitions can be deleted and used
for C: expansion.? My wife's laptop has a lot more than the 1
reserved or UEFI. I'm almost sure it's the previous win 8 image and
maybe a partition for the vendor repair program, you were able to hit
some key at bootup and get the OS to launch a boot diagnostic.

Al

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Old January 2nd 19, 02:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Clean operating system

Big Al wrote:

Does this type of repair install remove all the vendor bloatware? Sony
Vaio?

Also, if done, how many of the extra partitions can be deleted and used
for C: expansion.? My wife's laptop has a lot more than the 1
reserved or UEFI. I'm almost sure it's the previous win 8 image and
maybe a partition for the vendor repair program, you were able to hit
some key at bootup and get the OS to launch a boot diagnostic.

Al


For "adventuring", I recommend starting with a spare storage
device and install an OS that way. Does it work ? Is there
anything special about the unit (Secure Boot perhaps) ?
You're not necessarily keeping this OS install, merely
"scouting the situation" and "looking for bears in the woods".

It would be helpful to have proof that the unit is not
booby trapped in some special way. for example, if the laptop
is a business machine with a Pro SKU on it, it might have
more security features (i.e. you'll be doing a repair install
over top of BitLocker - the BitLocker has to be decrypted first).

You can certainly try a backup followed by some bashing with
a hammer and a Repair Install. That will still require storage
somewhere (for the backup). And you run the risk at some point
in that exercise, that something jams up on you.

It depends on which you trust more. Carefully tucking the original
drive away, which you know works. Or attempting backup and restore
and hoping that the emergency boot CD to do a restore with,
actually boots the machine.

With sufficient safety measures in place, go right ahead. But
do one or two practice installs first, and sneak up on it.

Paul
  #6  
Old January 2nd 19, 03:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Clean operating system

On 1/2/19 8:50 AM, Paul wrote:
Big Al wrote:

Does this type of repair install remove all the vendor bloatware?
Sony Vaio?

Also, if done, how many of the extra partitions can be deleted and
used for C: expansion.?Â*Â*Â* My wife's laptop has a lot more than the 1
reserved or UEFI.Â*Â* I'm almost sure it's the previous win 8 image and
maybe a partition for the vendor repair program, you were able to hit
some key at bootup and get the OS to launch a boot diagnostic.

Al


For "adventuring", I recommend starting with a spare storage
device and install an OS that way. Does it work ? Is there
anything special about the unit (Secure Boot perhaps) ?
You're not necessarily keeping this OS install, merely
"scouting the situation" and "looking for bears in the woods".

It would be helpful to have proof that the unit is not
booby trapped in some special way. for example, if the laptop
is a business machine with a Pro SKU on it, it might have
more security features (i.e. you'll be doing a repair install
over top of BitLocker - the BitLocker has to be decrypted first).

You can certainly try a backup followed by some bashing with
a hammer and a Repair Install. That will still require storage
somewhere (for the backup). And you run the risk at some point
in that exercise, that something jams up on you.

It depends on which you trust more. Carefully tucking the original
drive away, which you know works. Or attempting backup and restore
and hoping that the emergency boot CD to do a restore with,
actually boots the machine.

With sufficient safety measures in place, go right ahead. But
do one or two practice installs first, and sneak up on it.

Â*Â* Paul

Well, considering that 256 and 512 SSDs are down in mear handfull of
dollars range, I'm probably going to go from a spinner to an ssd at the
same time and get a 2 for 1 hit on the job. If it has to be done, I
might as well do it just once.

So yes, this way I can tuck the trusty spinner away in case all else fails.

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Old January 2nd 19, 04:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Clean operating system

On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:02:53 -0500, Freelance Writer
wrote:

I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install.
Like everyone I don't want to lose anything.
Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system.

The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes




Those sentences contradict each other. If you do a clean installation,
you lose *everything*. It begins by formatting the drive.
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Old January 3rd 19, 05:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Lucifer
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Default Clean operating system

On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:02:53 -0500, Freelance Writer
wrote:

I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install.
Like everyone I don't want to lose anything.
Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system.

The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes
long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are
fine.

Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files.

The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds.
The rest move instantly.

This is after the disks have spun up.
Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe.

Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever.
Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system.

But how to do that gracefully?


Insert the install disk and reboot.

  #9  
Old January 3rd 19, 04:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Clean operating system

On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 15:29:56 +1100, Lucifer
wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:02:53 -0500, Freelance Writer
wrote:

I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install.
Like everyone I don't want to lose anything.
Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system.

The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes
long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are
fine.

Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files.

The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds.
The rest move instantly.

This is after the disks have spun up.
Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe.

Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever.
Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system.

But how to do that gracefully?


Insert the install disk and reboot.



Those are steps 2 and 3 for booting from an installation disk. Step 1
is check to see if your BIOS boot order is set to CD/DVD first, and if
not, change it to that.
  #10  
Old January 3rd 19, 07:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Tim[_10_]
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Default Clean operating system

Ken Blake wrote in
:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 15:29:56 +1100, Lucifer
wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:02:53 -0500, Freelance Writer
wrote:

Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever.
Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system.

But how to do that gracefully?


Insert the install disk and reboot.



Those are steps 2 and 3 for booting from an installation disk. Step 1
is check to see if your BIOS boot order is set to CD/DVD first, and if
not, change it to that.

Something a little less drastic: Windows-Settings-Update & Security-
Recovery-Reset this PC. That will reinstall Windows without deleting any of
the user accounts on the PC (unless you want to). You will still have to
reinstall all of your third party apps.
 




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