Can't turn off Synaptic Touch Pad on Laptop. Using usb mouse.

Big Al wrote:
On 1/7/19 10:13 PM, Big Al wrote:
I have a Sony Vaio laptop SVE15124CXS model and it came with windows
8.1 and upgraded to 10 during that freebe upgrade. We got it in 2013,
it just keeps plugging along. We have no system disks, by the time I
tried to make the 8.1 recovery discs, the whole recovery software via
VAIO center would not work. But with windows 10 digital license I
gave up.

Everything worked fine, and now after years I decided to put in a 256G
2.5" SSD. That works fine too and windows loaded and activated fine.
I downloaded the 1809Oct update 64bit.

One of my biggest issues is the synaptic touchpad has no provisions in
device manager to disable the mouse. Even disable when USB Mouse is
plugged in.

I've deleted the driver and rebooted and there is still as synaptic
mouse, and updating just puts in a better (the old one). Still no joy.

Any ideas?

Oh, and the camera (webcam) doesn't work. But I've found drivers for
it from Sony but that's still not a fix. I even found an update for
the motherboard chipset and that didn't change anything.

We moved 2 years ago, and I swear I had a box marked VAIO or the
original box it came in. Either way, we have no literature or anything
from the sale. And no CD's came with it. It was an open box. I also
waited too long to try the Sony recovery cd software and it failed to
work. So basically it's a perfect storm. Any one thing could put me
in a better position.

But hell it was only a $299 laptop and it's lasted 6 years and a $75 SSD
might give it a few more years.

Yes, but we know what this is :-)

It's the school of hard knocks :-)

Remember that Windows 10 is a "SmartPhone" OS.

For a webcam with built-in microphone, you have
to *turn on both webcam video and microphone permissions* .

My video wouldn't work, until the microphone was
turned on.

I was sitting there staring at mine for a while, trying
to get the Camera App to work. And that was the problem.

It still doesn't work right, but it's closer to working
than before. The resolution control is shot to hell, and
presents random values.

Modern cameras are "UVC Class" and an actual OS driver
is sufficient to get say 960 resolution to work. For some
higher resolutions, vanilla UVC might not be enough.

But at least, start with getting *something* to work,
by enabling the permissions in the Setup interface.

And it won't tell you it's a permission issue either.
You have to guess at it.

Paul

On 1/8/19 8:49 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Big Al wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Does Fn+F1 toggle it?

Nope, and the other Fkeys work.

Under Start, settings, touchpad, do you have an on/off slide switch?
See below, but short story is: it's fixed.

Thanks to all.

Al

On 1/8/19 8:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/8/2019 8:21 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 1/7/19 10:13 PM, Big Al wrote:
I have a Sony Vaio laptop SVE15124CXS model and it came with windows
8.1 and upgraded to 10 during that freebe upgrade.Â* We got it in
2013, it just keeps plugging along.Â* We have no system disks, by the
time I tried to make the 8.1 recovery discs, the whole recovery
software via VAIO center would not work.Â* But with windows 10 digital
license I gave up.

Everything worked fine, and now after years I decided to put in a
256G 2.5" SSD.Â*Â* That works fine too and windows loaded and activated
fine. I downloaded the 1809Oct update 64bit.

One of my biggest issues is the synaptic touchpad has no provisions
in device manager to disable the mouse.Â*Â* Even disable when USB Mouse
is plugged in.

I've deleted the driver and rebooted and there is still as synaptic
mouse, and updating just puts in a better (the old one).Â* Still no joy.

Any ideas?

The whole idea was to get some speed out of this laptop as it's only
an i3 intel processor.Â* 2.4ghz but only i3.Â*Â* I had this spare 250g
ssd and a fresh install seemed so simple.Â* Yeh right!

I'm now at the logic of just dropping the old one back, and get a
larger SSD and just do an clone to the new SSD.Â*Â* It won't clean out
the garbage but it will carry over the good garbage ie the mouse.
SSDs are cheap and I'm spending too much time.


There is another simple solution, and that is just replace your 6 year
old computer.Â* You probably spent over $100 for the new disk, and are
talking of buying another one.

So far you have at least $100 and probably $200 and many hours of
research for a solution, plus several many hours installing and
reinstalling the OS and programs.Â* What have you got? A 6 year old
patched up computer that has a weak part or bad ram that will shortly fail.

Every computer that I have ever owned, died.Â* With each, I tried every
thing I could think of to fix the problems I was having.Â* With one
computer, I was reinstalling the OS and programs every few months, when
that no longer worked.Â* With the last, I was run ChkDsk, when I heard an
audible "POP".

If you go into any big box store, or office supply store you can buy a
new computer that will have a faster processor (more cores, newer
technology), a 1TB disk and 8GB of ram for less that $500.

To me it seem the choice from and the point of economics is obvious.

See reply below, but short story is: it's fixed.

But your idea has crossed our mind. And you're right. It's six years
old, had it's day and I got my money out of it. I will probably start
looking for sales etc.

Thanks.

On 1/8/19 8:56 AM, Paul wrote:
Big Al wrote:
On 1/7/19 10:13 PM, Big Al wrote:
I have a Sony Vaio laptop SVE15124CXS model and it came with windows
8.1 and upgraded to 10 during that freebe upgrade.Â* We got it in
2013, it just keeps plugging along.Â* We have no system disks, by the
time I tried to make the 8.1 recovery discs, the whole recovery
software via VAIO center would not work.Â* But with windows 10 digital
license I gave up.

Everything worked fine, and now after years I decided to put in a
256G 2.5" SSD.Â*Â* That works fine too and windows loaded and activated
fine. I downloaded the 1809Oct update 64bit.

One of my biggest issues is the synaptic touchpad has no provisions
in device manager to disable the mouse.Â*Â* Even disable when USB Mouse
is plugged in.

I've deleted the driver and rebooted and there is still as synaptic
mouse, and updating just puts in a better (the old one).Â* Still no joy.

Any ideas?

Oh, and the camera (webcam) doesn't work.Â*Â* But I've found drivers for
it from Sony but that's still not a fix.Â*Â* I even found an update for
the motherboard chipset and that didn't change anything.

We moved 2 years ago, and I swear I had a box marked VAIO or the
original box it came in.Â*Â* Either way, we have no literature or
anything from the sale.Â*Â* And no CD's came with it.Â* It was an open
box.Â*Â* I also waited too long to try the Sony recovery cd software and
it failed to work.Â* So basically it's a perfect storm.Â*Â* Any one thing
could put me in a better position.

But hell it was only a $299 laptop and it's lasted 6 years and a $75
SSD might give it a few more years.

Yes, but we know what this is :-)

It's the school of hard knocks :-)

Remember that Windows 10 is a "SmartPhone" OS.

For a webcam with built-in microphone, you have
to *turn on both webcam video and microphone permissions* .

My video wouldn't work, until the microphone was
turned on.

I was sitting there staring at mine for a while, trying
to get the Camera App to work. And that was the problem.

It still doesn't work right, but it's closer to working
than before. The resolution control is shot to hell, and
presents random values.

Modern cameras are "UVC Class" and an actual OS driver
is sufficient to get say 960 resolution to work. For some
higher resolutions, vanilla UVC might not be enough.

But at least, start with getting *something* to work,
by enabling the permissions in the Setup interface.

And it won't tell you it's a permission issue either.
You have to guess at it.

Â*Â* Paul
See reply below, but short story is: it's fixed.

On 1/8/19 10:41 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-07 22:13, Big Al wrote:
I have a Sony Vaio laptop SVE15124CXS model and it came with windows
8.1 and upgraded to 10 during that freebe upgrade.Â* We got it in 2013,
it just keeps plugging along.Â* We have no system disks, by the time I
tried to make the 8.1 recovery discs, the whole recovery software via
VAIO center would not work.Â* But with windows 10 digital license I
gave up.

Everything worked fine, and now after years I decided to put in a 256G
2.5" SSD.Â*Â* That works fine too and windows loaded and activated fine.
I downloaded the 1809Oct update 64bit.

One of my biggest issues is the synaptic touchpad has no provisions in
device manager to disable the mouse.Â*Â* Even disable when USB Mouse is
plugged in.

I've deleted the driver and rebooted and there is still as synaptic
mouse, and updating just puts in a better (the old one).Â* Still no joy.

Any ideas?


None. But FWIW, I use both the touchpad and the mouse. Speculation: many
people use both, so the devs see no reason to disable touchpad when
mouse is attached.

See reply below, but short story is: it's fixed.
But there is something to your comment. The 2 finger functions you
can't do with a mouse. Hmmm.
Al.

On 1/7/19 10:13 PM, Big Al wrote:
I have a Sony Vaio laptop SVE15124CXS model and it came with windows 8.1
and upgraded to 10 during that freebe upgrade.Â* We got it in 2013, it
just keeps plugging along.Â* We have no system disks, by the time I tried
to make the 8.1 recovery discs, the whole recovery software via VAIO
center would not work.Â* But with windows 10 digital license I gave up.

Everything worked fine, and now after years I decided to put in a 256G
2.5" SSD.Â*Â* That works fine too and windows loaded and activated fine. I
downloaded the 1809Oct update 64bit.

One of my biggest issues is the synaptic touchpad has no provisions in
device manager to disable the mouse.Â*Â* Even disable when USB Mouse is
plugged in.

I've deleted the driver and rebooted and there is still as synaptic
mouse, and updating just puts in a better (the old one).Â* Still no joy.

Any ideas?

I finally got a nice thread on some site that led me down the right
path. I had 2-3 drivers to load, one common shared libraries that
evidently Sony uses for ALL software. That and a Control Center that
had a 'turn off touchpad' slider button. The Fn+F1 needs to be tested
but that's minor.

There is also one less "unknown" item in the device manager (only 1
now), so something was needed. And side note, I got all Sony or
original manufacturer software. Nothing from these driver-downloads.com
or whatever sites.

Webcam works but is dark. Could be just my dim living room but we
don't use the webcam anyway.

Wife can now play and tweak settings to get stuff like the Office
products like she had them. But that's her problem :-)

Thanks for all the suggestions/comments/moral support. And the idea
of a new Laptop! :-)

Al

On 1/8/2019 10:59 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 1/7/19 10:13 PM, Big Al wrote:
I have a Sony Vaio laptop SVE15124CXS model and it came with windows
8.1 and upgraded to 10 during that freebe upgrade.Â* We got it in 2013,
it just keeps plugging along.Â* We have no system disks, by the time I
tried to make the 8.1 recovery discs, the whole recovery software via
VAIO center would not work.Â* But with windows 10 digital license I
gave up.

Everything worked fine, and now after years I decided to put in a 256G
2.5" SSD.Â*Â* That works fine too and windows loaded and activated fine.
I downloaded the 1809Oct update 64bit.

One of my biggest issues is the synaptic touchpad has no provisions in
device manager to disable the mouse.Â*Â* Even disable when USB Mouse is
plugged in.

I've deleted the driver and rebooted and there is still as synaptic
mouse, and updating just puts in a better (the old one).Â* Still no joy.

Any ideas?

I finally got a nice thread on some site that led me down the right
path.Â* I had 2-3 drivers to load, one common shared libraries that
evidently Sony uses for ALL software.Â*Â*Â* That and a Control Center that
had a 'turn off touchpad' slider button.Â*Â* The Fn+F1 needs to be tested
but that's minor.

There is also one less "unknown" item in the device manager (only 1
now), so something was needed.Â* And side note, I got all Sony or
original manufacturer software.Â* Nothing from these driver-downloads.com
or whatever sites.

Webcam works but is dark.Â*Â* Could be just my dim living room but we
don't use the webcam anyway.

Wife can now play and tweak settings to get stuff like the Office
products like she had them.Â*Â* But that's her problem :-)

Thanks for all the suggestions/comments/moral support.Â*Â*Â* And the idea
of a new Laptop!Â* :-)

Al
Just like a person who does wood working, give your wife any excuse to
get a new tool.

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:41:42 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


None. But FWIW, I use both the touchpad and the mouse. Speculation: many
people use both, so the devs see no reason to disable touchpad when
mouse is attached.



Just curious, why do you use both? How do you decide which to use at
any given time?

Any why do you think many people use both?

Personally, I hate touchpads and only use one if I find myself in a
situation where I have no choice.

On 1/8/2019 1:05 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:41:42 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


None. But FWIW, I use both the touchpad and the mouse. Speculation: many
people use both, so the devs see no reason to disable touchpad when
mouse is attached.



Just curious, why do you use both? How do you decide which to use at
any given time?

Any why do you think many people use both?

Personally, I hate touchpads and only use one if I find myself in a
situation where I have no choice.

Personally I use both. The touch pad is more convenient when I am doing
typing task where my fingers are on the key board. It is easier to
move my fingers to the touch pad than to grab the mouse.

By typing task I mean writing a long email or in my word processor when
I am writing a research report, procedure, long letter, or anything
where there is the primary input is the keyboard.

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:21:20 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2019-01-08 13:05, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:41:42 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


None. But FWIW, I use both the touchpad and the mouse. Speculation: many
people use both, so the devs see no reason to disable touchpad when
mouse is attached.



Just curious, why do you use both? How do you decide which to use at
any given time?

Any why do you think many people use both?

Personally, I hate touchpads and only use one if I find myself in a
situation where I have no choice.


Randomly, sort of when it feels right.


I was afraid you were going to say that. g As I'm sure you're aware,
that doesn't help me understand.


I prefer the mouse for games,


I don't play games (well, hardly any--occasionally solitaire or
chess), so that doesn't mean anything to me.


the
touchpad for typing (e.g., moving the cursor to an insert/delete point).
Also, whatever I used last I tend to use agaian.


That part I can understand. I do the same (but what I last used is
always the mouse). g

But these days, I travel with my smart phone (which I use just for
e-mail, the web, Google maps, and Kindle) instead of my laptop, so the
option of using a keypad is mostly gone.


I suspect many people have the same skewed preference(s). First rule of
understanding people: If you can think/imagine/do it, then so can many,
many others. That's one reason "intelligence services" are a waste of
taxpayers' money.


Yes, we all have skewed preferences. And most of us think our
preferences are right and everyone else's is wrong. That's why, rather
than recommending a particular program to do something, I often
suggest that people try several and choose what *they* like best.

On 1/8/19 2:21 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-08 13:05, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:41:42 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


None. But FWIW, I use both the touchpad and the mouse. Speculation: many
people use both, so the devs see no reason to disable touchpad when
mouse is attached.



Just curious, why do you use both? How do you decide which to use at
any given time?

Any why do you think many people use both?

Personally, I hate touchpads and only use one if I find myself in a
situation where I have no choice.


Randomly, sort of when it feels right. I prefer the mouse for games, the
touchpad for typing (e.g., moving the cursor to an insert/delete point).
Also, whatever I used last I tend to use agaian.

I suspect many people have the same skewed preference(s). First rule of
understanding people: If you can think/imagine/do it, then so can many,
many others. That's one reason "intelligence services" are a waste of
taxpayers' money.

Best,

Last Paragraph is so true. I reloaded this laptop and I didn't like the
gray and gray google chrome my wife uses so I changed it to a nice green
and pale orange, my personal liking. Now that I've released her on it
to tweak, she's complaining about that color. She likes gray and gray
shades. Who'd guess?!!! :-)

Al