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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 21:54:49 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Paul writes: Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: In many ways, XP was better than 7 Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you consider to be steps backward in Win 7? That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late. It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things related to file management. XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump (scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3 seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen. There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor by itself, but all together they add up. But del works a treat. If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt may be one way around it. And comparatively speaking, "dir" is lightspeed compared to Explorer, when dealing with large directories. "dir" can seemingly read a 40GB $MFT in maybe 30 seconds or so. It's fast enough, I was checking for "violations of physics" :-) If you know trouble is brewing, head to the Command Prompt. I think Char was saying that, in XP, he didn't have to. He was answering Stan's question "What are some of the things you consider to be steps backward in Win 7?". True, thanks. But then the thread seems to have immediately drifted a bit, as they tend to do. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
On 1/19/2019 1:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:17:11 -0500, Paul wrote: Char Jackson wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:17:21 -0500, Paul wrote: Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: In many ways, XP was better than 7 Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you consider to be steps backward in Win 7? That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late. It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things related to file management. XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump (scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3 seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen. There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor by itself, but all together they add up. But del works a treat. If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt may be one way around it. Definitely agree that Command Prompt is faster, but I'm usually multitasking so I tend to start an operation, mass copy/move/delete, for example, then flip to another window or to a VM and work there while the first one chugs through. You can use Robocopy to delete trees. You can use the /mir function, to mirror an empty directory on top of a tree and blow the tree away. There are lots of workarounds to the issues that Win Explorer has, but many of them aren't practical. I like the creative thinking, though. I've found Total Commander to be a great workaround for Win Explorer. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
nospam on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:11:45 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: In article , pyotr filipivich wrote: Have you heard of this comic strip called "Dilbert"? It's about the travails of an engineer who wants to do "good work" but is provided no useful information. The "end user" is a mythical entity, but is also not the person who says "yes, that is what is wanted". the end user is not mythical and they say 'that's what i want' by deciding to buy or not buy your product, by posting favourable or critical reviewsa and by recommending it or not recommending it to others. If you are the guy who is crafting a product for a customer, good. You can ask him directly, all the questions that are relevant: "what is it you want?" You get the feedback directly. When you am further away from the front desk, up the chain of supply, all you know is what your supervisor gave you in the spec, and you produced product to his spec. It passes QA, you get paid, all is good. Even if it is not what the customer wanted. But what you made is what the customer "told" the sales rep, who sent it in, and the word came down, and"Lo, it promotes plant growth, and none may gainsay it!" -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:54:56 -0800, Mike wrote:
On 1/19/2019 1:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:17:11 -0500, Paul wrote: Char Jackson wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:17:21 -0500, Paul wrote: Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: In many ways, XP was better than 7 Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you consider to be steps backward in Win 7? That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late. It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things related to file management. XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump (scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3 seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen. There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor by itself, but all together they add up. But del works a treat. If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt may be one way around it. Definitely agree that Command Prompt is faster, but I'm usually multitasking so I tend to start an operation, mass copy/move/delete, for example, then flip to another window or to a VM and work there while the first one chugs through. You can use Robocopy to delete trees. You can use the /mir function, to mirror an empty directory on top of a tree and blow the tree away. There are lots of workarounds to the issues that Win Explorer has, but many of them aren't practical. I like the creative thinking, though. I've found Total Commander to be a great workaround for Win Explorer. Total Commander isn't a bad choice, but as far as I'm concerned, Directory Opus is much better. |
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In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote: Have you heard of this comic strip called "Dilbert"? It's about the travails of an engineer who wants to do "good work" but is provided no useful information. The "end user" is a mythical entity, but is also not the person who says "yes, that is what is wanted". the end user is not mythical and they say 'that's what i want' by deciding to buy or not buy your product, by posting favourable or critical reviewsa and by recommending it or not recommending it to others. If you are the guy who is crafting a product for a customer, good. You can ask him directly, all the questions that are relevant: "what is it you want?" You get the feedback directly. When you am further away from the front desk, up the chain of supply, all you know is what your supervisor gave you in the spec, and you produced product to his spec. It passes QA, you get paid, all is good. Even if it is not what the customer wanted. But what you made is what the customer "told" the sales rep, who sent it in, and the word came down, and"Lo, it promotes plant growth, and none may gainsay it!" that's how to create ****ty software. |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:10:20 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote: nospam on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:34:56 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: [snip] if they don't understand what users need, they shouldn't be writing apps for them. Depends on who their "user" is? There is the cartoon of how the different departments design a "swing", all of which involve at least one plank and two ropes. "What the customer wanted:" is a tire swing. There are many variations. Here is one example of it: http://projectcartoon.com/cartoon/46980 [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/18/2019 5:13 PM, Aslan Bashiyev wrote: Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? You might as well try lengthen the life of democracy in Hong Kong using the legal system. Off-topic! The comparison clearly tells you what are your chances of forcing Microsoft to extend its support of Windows 7. As such, the comparison is very on-topic for your question. The off-topic was your cross-post to groups not about Windows 7. Do that if you got military strength! If you want to force Microsoft to extend its support of Windows 7, you had better get yourself a massive war chest (戰*基金). You may need quite a few billion dollars to see it through. In the end, you will only make lawyers rich. If you have that kind of money (and you do not), you would get better results by putting it into ReactOS development. Anyway, the life and death of Hong Kong doesn't bother anyone nor matter. 國家興亡,匹夫有責。 -- 民主好! 民主好! 民主好! |
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On 2019-01-19 10:43, Chris wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been superseded twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very clearly and in plenty of time announced its EOL. So not a chance. As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from continuing to use it. I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday. It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release. I do not agree at all. Especially on slower laptops, Windows 10 runs absolutely TERRIBLE - cheap Pentium laptops for example like HP G4 250. It should not be even preinstalled on those machines. |
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Filip454 wrote:
On 2019-01-19 10:43, Chris wrote: Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been superseded twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very clearly and in plenty of time announced its EOL. So not a chance. As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from continuing to use it. I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday. It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release. I do not agree at all. Especially on slower laptops, Windows 10 runs absolutely TERRIBLE - cheap Pentium laptops for example like HP G4 250. It should not be even preinstalled on those machines. That can happen if there's no graphics driver. There's one Intel SOC where it appears the graphics core was some sort of orphan, and it leaves the bad impression that Intel doesn't support the driver (as if the single driver done, was done by some other company). That particular model of laptop has multiple processor options, which would make if difficult to research the issue. Paul |
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On 20/01/2019 18:07, Filip454 wrote:
On 2019-01-19 10:43, Chris wrote: Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been superseded twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very clearly and in plenty of time announced its EOL. So not a chance. As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from continuing to use it. I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday. It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release. I do not agree at all. Especially on slower laptops, Windows 10 runs absolutely TERRIBLE - cheap Pentium laptops for example like HP G4 250. It should not be even preinstalled on those machines. Windows has never worked well on under-powered (for it's generation) hardware. My "works as well as as any windows" is a very back-handed comment. It means that when it works it works fine, but sometimes it can be crashy as hell for people for no real reason. |
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Chris wrote:
On 20/01/2019 18:07, Filip454 wrote: On 2019-01-19 10:43, Chris wrote: Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been superseded twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very clearly and in plenty of time announced its EOL. So not a chance. As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from continuing to use it. I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday. It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release. I do not agree at all. Especially on slower laptops, Windows 10 runs absolutely TERRIBLE - cheap Pentium laptops for example like HP G4 250. It should not be even preinstalled on those machines. Windows has never worked well on under-powered (for it's generation) hardware. My "works as well as as any windows" is a very back-handed comment. It means that when it works it works fine, but sometimes it can be crashy as hell for people for no real reason. I've benched hardware under the various OSes, and there really isn't much difference at the CPU cycle level. Since Windows 10 "reserves" cycles to remain responsive, you have to "oversubscribe on threads" to get 100% of the CPU capability. For example, on a 4 core CPU, you might use 8 threads in 7ZIP ultra, to drive the CPU to 100% instead of 85-90%. By doing some careful benchmarking, on "relatively simple" architectures, there's no difference. Windows 7 is ahead by maybe 1%, but it could easily be "poor technique" on my part or measurement error. I repeated some of my work three times (cache warmup or whatever), just to make sure I wasn't doing it wrong. You either cache warmup, or you reboot before every test sequence to re-establish initial state. When the CPU arch is "squirrel strange", like on a ThreadRipper or Epyc, more holes could show through. Embarrassing holes, that make it apparent the CPU isn't tuned by any OS loaded on it. When facilities in a CPU are not uniform, this is what happens. (Even though Microsoft has moaned and groaned for several of their OSes, that "things were better".) AMDs next version, the one that uses chiplets, hopes to get around this issue by making things more symmetric, more of the time. On an Intel processor with the dual rotating rings, you lose around one core of performance due to the bus. A six core processor gives five cores of thruput. Intel attempted to fix that using mesh busses (a bus array), but I've not examined any results on the web to see whether that improved things or not. And you got "more of your moneys worth". The interconnect issue was present in previous generations. A Q6600 which consists of two dual-core dies in the same CPU package, gives around 3.5 cores of performance out of a max of 4 cores. This is due to snoop traffic on the FSB - both cores share the FSB with the Northbridge connection, and "chit-chat" between processors robs the design of a bit of performance. Once the memory controller and PCIe video were brought inside the CPU, and the CPU consisted of one core, the efficiency came back. Usually a 4C8T processor is small enough now, to be "devoid of squirrels". Anything larger, do the research. And integrated video is another issue. There is at least one SOC that had a strange GPU in it, and only one driver was made for it. Which in a rolling release like Windows 10, is a liability (since the WDDM version number could be bumped). Paul |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 06:00:21 -0400, pjp
wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to have a law that demanded all discontinued and unsupported software MUST have the software code plus any other pertinenet info released to the public? Least then instead of it becoming worthless garbage to be thrown away, someone might still actually have use for it. Think "green" Nice idea, but I wouldn't expect Microsoft, for example, to be too eager to be involved. We might find out just how much of the Windows 95 code is still alive and kicking in the latest OS versions. -- Char Jackson |
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