DVD Burning Software

It would be nice if Windows XP had a standard utility--as part of Windows
Explorer--for writing files to a DVD. One company does have a utility that
will allow WinExp to see a DVD as a hard drive. But when I port my discs,
not everyone's PC will have this utility. It would be a hassle to download
the reader, if the PC's owner will even allow me to!

It's called progress, the Previous version of Windows had no built in
burning capabilities at all so being able to burn CD in XP was an
improvement. Would have been nice if the Model T had anti-lock brakes too,
but progress takes time. Personally I never use XP's built in CD burning,
would use DVD burning even if it was there.

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"hmm" wrote in message
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It would be nice if Windows XP had a standard utility--as part of Windows
Explorer--for writing files to a DVD. One company does have a utility
that
will allow WinExp to see a DVD as a hard drive. But when I port my discs,
not everyone's PC will have this utility. It would be a hassle to
download
the reader, if the PC's owner will even allow me to!

That should be "wouldn't use DVD burning even if it was there"

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"David B." wrote in message
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It's called progress, the Previous version of Windows had no built in
burning capabilities at all so being able to burn CD in XP was an
improvement. Would have been nice if the Model T had anti-lock brakes too,
but progress takes time. Personally I never use XP's built in CD burning,
would use DVD burning even if it was there.

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"hmm" wrote in message
...
It would be nice if Windows XP had a standard utility--as part of Windows
Explorer--for writing files to a DVD. One company does have a utility
that
will allow WinExp to see a DVD as a hard drive. But when I port my
discs,
not everyone's PC will have this utility. It would be a hassle to
download
the reader, if the PC's owner will even allow me to!

hmm wrote:
It would be nice if Windows XP had a standard utility--as part of Windows
Explorer--for writing files to a DVD. One company does have a utility that
will allow WinExp to see a DVD as a hard drive. But when I port my discs,
not everyone's PC will have this utility. It would be a hassle to download
the reader, if the PC's owner will even allow me to!

Try CDBurnerXP. Its free. And the CD/DVD's (data) you make should
play on any system. There has to be free 3rd party DVD authoring if you
are after movies. I know I have one on my desktop but I don't have it
on right now.

"hmm" wrote in message
...
It would be nice if Windows XP had a standard utility--as part of Windows
Explorer--for writing files to a DVD. One company does have a utility
that
will allow WinExp to see a DVD as a hard drive. But when I port my discs,
not everyone's PC will have this utility. It would be a hassle to
download
the reader, if the PC's owner will even allow me to!

XP was put together before DVD disks were in such wide use as they are now.
I hear Vista will do DVD's. Why not just get some DVD software? There's
plenty of it. Both pay for and free programs.

"hmm" wrote in message
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It would be nice if Windows XP had a standard utility--as part of Windows
Explorer--for writing files to a DVD. One company does have a utility
that
will allow WinExp to see a DVD as a hard drive.

Not sure exactly what "see a DVD as hard drive" means.
There is no WinExp that I'm aware of.

But when I port my discs,

You must mean put a written DVD media in the DVD tray and close the tray.

not everyone's PC will have this utility. It would be a hassle to
download
the reader, if the PC's owner will even allow me to!

Its easy to download software from the internet to a location on the hard
drive, and place that on removable media for installation of said software
to another PC.
If you mean install such software, how is that a hassle? Unless you mean
you have no admin rights where you want to install such without the owners
consent. Yes, that could be a problem in many ways.
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Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.

"hmm" wrote in message
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It would be nice if Windows XP had a standard utility--as part of Windows
Explorer--for writing files to a DVD. One company does have a utility
that
will allow WinExp to see a DVD as a hard drive. But when I port my discs,
not everyone's PC will have this utility. It would be a hassle to
download
the reader, if the PC's owner will even allow me to!

You are refering to the packet incremental format of DVD and CD drives.
There are various flavours of this format (by version number). Writing in
one format is no guarantee that another PC will be able to read it let alone
write it. This is particularly true if the other PC runs Vista as Microsoft
have implemented all the UDF versions in entirely different formats making
them incompatible.

"David B." wrote in message
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It's called progress, the Previous version of Windows had no built in
burning capabilities at all so being able to burn CD in XP was an
improvement. Would have been nice if the Model T had anti-lock brakes too,
but progress takes time. Personally I never use XP's built in CD burning,
would use DVD burning even if it was there.


Most people don't know but the XP inbuilt CD writing utility actually writes
in a technically invalid format. Although nearly all modern drives will
read it, many older drives won't.

"M.I.5¾" wrote in message
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"David B." wrote in message
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It's called progress, the Previous version of Windows had no built in
burning capabilities at all so being able to burn CD in XP was an
improvement. Would have been nice if the Model T had anti-lock brakes
too, but progress takes time. Personally I never use XP's built in CD
burning, would use DVD burning even if it was there.


Most people don't know but the XP inbuilt CD writing utility actually
writes in a technically invalid format. Although nearly all modern drives
will read it, many older drives won't.



Odd, thought the built-in CD writing in XP wrote in ISO 9660 format both
table of contents and files.

I do know that some CD readers cannot read some CD media due to its
reflectivity properties. This does not occur with factory pressed CDs.
Similar with the write function in some writers.

Another nuance about CD readers (old), they are not recognized by the
onboard bios (ide). Noticed this with 3 known functional ide CD readers
(circa 98-99) with one motherboard. No, jumpering was not an issue, and,
were placed alone master on the secondary to verify against as slave on the
primary.
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Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
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"M.I.5¾" wrote in message
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"David B." wrote in message
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It's called progress, the Previous version of Windows had no built in
burning capabilities at all so being able to burn CD in XP was an
improvement. Would have been nice if the Model T had anti-lock brakes
too, but progress takes time. Personally I never use XP's built in CD
burning, would use DVD burning even if it was there.


Most people don't know but the XP inbuilt CD writing utility actually
writes in a technically invalid format. Although nearly all modern
drives will read it, many older drives won't.



Odd, thought the built-in CD writing in XP wrote in ISO 9660 format both
table of contents and files.


There is ISO 9660 and there are various extensions to that specification.
Windows XP writes in an extension to that format known as 'Orange Book',
though such CDs are not strictly ISO 9660 compliant until closed (which XP
doesn't support).

Unfortunately there are also several flavours of ISO 9660, the main two of
which are 'Mode 1' and 'Mode 2'. The orange book extension (which defines
multi session writing) was an extension to the Mode 2 format and was never
intended to be used in conjunction with Mode 1.

The Windows XP CD writing utility writes in Mode 1 + Orange Book. Although
most third party CD writing utilities originally supported multisession in
both Mode 1 and Mode 2, the fact that many drives wouldn't recognise the
former, led to it being dropped from all other modern writing utilities.

"M.I.5¾" wrote in message
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"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
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"M.I.5¾" wrote in message
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"David B." wrote in message
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It's called progress, the Previous version of Windows had no built in
burning capabilities at all so being able to burn CD in XP was an
improvement. Would have been nice if the Model T had anti-lock brakes
too, but progress takes time. Personally I never use XP's built in CD
burning, would use DVD burning even if it was there.


Most people don't know but the XP inbuilt CD writing utility actually
writes in a technically invalid format. Although nearly all modern
drives will read it, many older drives won't.



Odd, thought the built-in CD writing in XP wrote in ISO 9660 format both
table of contents and files.


There is ISO 9660 and there are various extensions to that specification.
Windows XP writes in an extension to that format known as 'Orange Book',
though such CDs are not strictly ISO 9660 compliant until closed (which XP
doesn't support).

Unfortunately there are also several flavours of ISO 9660, the main two of
which are 'Mode 1' and 'Mode 2'. The orange book extension (which defines
multi session writing) was an extension to the Mode 2 format and was never
intended to be used in conjunction with Mode 1.

The Windows XP CD writing utility writes in Mode 1 + Orange Book.
Although most third party CD writing utilities originally supported
multisession in both Mode 1 and Mode 2, the fact that many drives wouldn't
recognise the former, led to it being dropped from all other modern
writing utilities.


Another words, the written format using XP windows CD writing utility never
closes the session. Therefore, not genuine ISO 9660. If so, that makes
sense to me. But, there is a multisession extension for ISO 9660 (ISO
13480)/ECMA-168/ISO 9660 level 3) for re-writable CD media which allow
additions to a previously written CDRW in ISO 9660 format. File removal is
also allowed under this multisession extension, though its virtual removal
as the file data still exists on the CDRW media. That's what XP is
utilizing. But, what I think you're trying to say if another OS without
facility of reading such media, expecting standard ISO 9660 format, won't be
able to read that media. Such as msdos boot media with a msdos cd driver
environment as one such example. Not multisession reading capable...

I did find that Orange book does not support writable CD media beyond 80
minute duration. Also found in the ISO 9660 spec, there are 2 forms of
CD-ROM mode 2. One is for data, the other is for audio/video. The data
version is not normally used due to compatibility reasons. However, you may
be indeed referring to this as a compatibility problem with older CD drives
as noted he
http://www.divxland.org/mode2cd.php
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Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
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"M.I.5¾" wrote in message
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"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
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"M.I.5¾" wrote in message
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"David B." wrote in message
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It's called progress, the Previous version of Windows had no built in
burning capabilities at all so being able to burn CD in XP was an
improvement. Would have been nice if the Model T had anti-lock brakes
too, but progress takes time. Personally I never use XP's built in CD
burning, would use DVD burning even if it was there.


Most people don't know but the XP inbuilt CD writing utility actually
writes in a technically invalid format. Although nearly all modern
drives will read it, many older drives won't.



Odd, thought the built-in CD writing in XP wrote in ISO 9660 format both
table of contents and files.


There is ISO 9660 and there are various extensions to that specification.
Windows XP writes in an extension to that format known as 'Orange Book',
though such CDs are not strictly ISO 9660 compliant until closed (which
XP doesn't support).

Unfortunately there are also several flavours of ISO 9660, the main two
of which are 'Mode 1' and 'Mode 2'. The orange book extension (which
defines multi session writing) was an extension to the Mode 2 format and
was never intended to be used in conjunction with Mode 1.

The Windows XP CD writing utility writes in Mode 1 + Orange Book.
Although most third party CD writing utilities originally supported
multisession in both Mode 1 and Mode 2, the fact that many drives
wouldn't recognise the former, led to it being dropped from all other
modern writing utilities.


Another words, the written format using XP windows CD writing utility
never closes the session. Therefore, not genuine ISO 9660. If so, that
makes sense to me. But, there is a multisession extension for ISO 9660
(ISO 13480)/ECMA-168/ISO 9660 level 3) for re-writable CD media which
allow additions to a previously written CDRW in ISO 9660 format. File
removal is also allowed under this multisession extension, though its
virtual removal as the file data still exists on the CDRW media. That's
what XP is utilizing. But, what I think you're trying to say if another
OS without facility of reading such media, expecting standard ISO 9660
format, won't be able to read that media. Such as msdos boot media with a
msdos cd driver environment as one such example. Not multisession reading
capable...


There are so many flavours of CD writing standards that it is entirely
possible that one can get totally confused by the myriad. Once a CD has
been closed to conform with ISO 9660 (or it's many predecessors come to
that), it is never possible to add additional data later. The ability to
add further data relies on the Table of Contents being writen to an
otherwise unused part of the disc and a blank entry being left on the end of
it. The act of closing the disc writes the final table of contents to the
official area from which, of course, it cannot be removed.

However, with CD-RW media the possibility of removing it and overwriting it
becomes a possibility. CD-RW media was only ever intended to be erased as a
whole disc, but it is posible to erase parts of it, but only at the block
level because the CD-RW technology does not provide byte accurate erase.
The practical upshot is that like the packet incremental formats, adding
further data to an otherwise closed disc will work most of the time, but an
occasional erase/write will miss the intended target and trash the disc.
Windows XP does not support this type of adding additional data.

It should also be noted that the ability to read unclosed multisession discs
is supported entirely by the disc drive itself, so even the earliest DOS
based CD drivers will work with multisession discs.

Audio CDs can also be put together in multisession, but CD-Audio players
cannot play them until the disc is closed. Having said that players from
Marantz built since the Orange Book specification came into existence have
always been able to play unclosed discs.

I did find that Orange book does not support writable CD media beyond 80
minute duration. Also found in the ISO 9660 spec, there are 2 forms of
CD-ROM mode 2. One is for data, the other is for audio/video. The data
version is not normally used due to compatibility reasons. However, you
may be indeed referring to this as a compatibility problem with older CD
drives as noted he

You are referring to the 2 subvariants Mode 2 Form 1 and Mode 2 Form 2. The
difference is that the latter format dispenses with redundancy error
correction to achieve a ~15% speed increase. This was considered acceptable
for video as minor errors can go un-noticed. It was used exclusively for
the white book Video-CD format. CD Audio uses its own red book format from
which all the other flavours are derived. The data version Mode 2 Form 1
was intended for use with discs that include both data and audio tracks and
was a workaround for the so called "do not play track 1" disks (which were
mode 1, but not known as such as there was no Mode 2 at this time) where
attempts to play the data on audio equipment could damage the amplifier and
speakers as the first track was always the data track.

The workaround was that as Mode 2 supported Orange Book (multisession), the
audio was placed in the first session and the data was placed in a second
session where audio players didn't know how to play it. Mode 2 was also
known as CD-XA (Compact Disc - Extended Architecture). Data can be written
in Mode 2 as it is not a requirement that the audio tracks be present. Many
current CD writing utilities no longer offer the option and burn exclusively
in Mode 2, though many offer the option of the 'joliet' extension.

My DVD burner broke, so I purchased another one and my husband put it in. I
am running Microsoft XP home edition. Now my computer doesn't have either of
the DVD drives listed, and neither one will work so I can load in the disc
that came with this one. Can anyone out there help me at all???????

If these are IDE drives did hubby check the jumpers that one is Master, the
other Slave?

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Kenny Cargill




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My DVD burner broke, so I purchased another one and my husband put it in.
I
am running Microsoft XP home edition. Now my computer doesn't have either
of
the DVD drives listed, and neither one will work so I can load in the disc
that came with this one. Can anyone out there help me at all???????