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XP install EULA: OEM vs FPP
I recently got my build-from-scratch-box back. I'm not happy: The password
was changed; Some parts are gone; The video card was damaged; And, It's slow. Windows XP was pulled out of the 2002 package for the 2nd time ever, full price, requested a call to Microsoft, poof it works now, but slow and on it's last legs. Question: If my 2002 system is old, can I put Windows XP on a new build-from-scratch-box? - Wikipedia calls this a FPP Full Purchase Product and says yes if I take a sledgehammer to the old box (gladly...infact it runs so slow, they might have lol.) - Everyone I'm talking to says yes. - However, Microsoft is a business and business are in business to make money. Would they say no, the day I return from the store and have everything? If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard (3yr capacitor life, it's done). However, I built the other system and paid full price for Windows XP in the shiney green folder, I don't think this is OEM. I'd like to move to to another system. |
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XP install EULA: OEM vs FPP
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wrote in message ... I recently got my build-from-scratch-box back. I'm not happy: The password was changed; Some parts are gone; The video card was damaged; And, It's slow. Windows XP was pulled out of the 2002 package for the 2nd time ever, full price, requested a call to Microsoft, poof it works now, but slow and on it's last legs. Question: If my 2002 system is old, can I put Windows XP on a new build-from-scratch-box? - Wikipedia calls this a FPP Full Purchase Product and says yes if I take a sledgehammer to the old box (gladly...infact it runs so slow, they might have lol.) - Everyone I'm talking to says yes. - However, Microsoft is a business and business are in business to make money. Would they say no, the day I return from the store and have everything? If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard (3yr capacitor life, it's done). However, I built the other system and paid full price for Windows XP in the shiney green folder, I don't think this is OEM. I'd like to move to to another system. You seem to have a retail version of Windows XP (opening folder). Remove from the old computer and you can legally install on a new computer. Make sure that there are Windows XP drivers available for your new hardware. -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience |
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On Sep 27, 7:42*pm,
wrote: I recently got my build-from-scratch-box back. *I'm not happy: The password was changed; Some parts are gone; The video card was damaged; And, It's slow. Windows XP was pulled out of the 2002 package for the 2nd time ever, full price, requested a call to Microsoft, poof it works now, but slow and on it's last legs. Question: If my 2002 system is old, can I put Windows XP on a new build-from-scratch-box? - Wikipedia calls this a FPP Full Purchase Product and says yes if I take a sledgehammer to the old box (gladly...infact it runs so slow, they might have lol.) - Everyone I'm talking to says yes. - However, Microsoft is a business and business are in business to make money. *Would they say no, the day I return from the store and have everything? If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard (3yr capacitor life, it's done). *However, I built the other system and paid full price for Windows XP in the shiney green folder, I don't think this is OEM. *I'd like to move to to another system. Ciminy. With a 3 year capacitor life, my Sony TV has been dead 3 decades. |
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On Sep 27, 7:42*pm,
wrote: I recently got my build-from-scratch-box back. *I'm not happy: The password was changed; Some parts are gone; The video card was damaged; And, It's slow. Windows XP was pulled out of the 2002 package for the 2nd time ever, full price, requested a call to Microsoft, poof it works now, but slow and on it's last legs. Question: If my 2002 system is old, can I put Windows XP on a new build-from-scratch-box? - Wikipedia calls this a FPP Full Purchase Product and says yes if I take a sledgehammer to the old box (gladly...infact it runs so slow, they might have lol.) - Everyone I'm talking to says yes. - However, Microsoft is a business and business are in business to make money. *Would they say no, the day I return from the store and have everything? If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard (3yr capacitor life, it's done). *However, I built the other system and paid full price for Windows XP in the shiney green folder, I don't think this is OEM. *I'd like to move to to another system. Ciminy. With a 3 year capacitor life, my Sony TV has been dead 3 decades. |
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wrote in message ... I recently got my build-from-scratch-box back. I'm not happy: The password was changed; Some parts are gone; The video card was damaged; And, It's slow. Windows XP was pulled out of the 2002 package for the 2nd time ever, full price, requested a call to Microsoft, poof it works now, but slow and on it's last legs. Question: If my 2002 system is old, can I put Windows XP on a new build-from-scratch-box? - Wikipedia calls this a FPP Full Purchase Product and says yes if I take a sledgehammer to the old box (gladly...infact it runs so slow, they might have lol.) - Everyone I'm talking to says yes. And they are right, as long as your version is a retail, not an OEM version. - However, Microsoft is a business and business are in business to make money. Would they say no, the day I return from the store and have everything? Generally, no. At most, you have to make a call. If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard (3yr capacitor life, it's done). However, I built the other system and paid full price for Windows XP in the shiney green folder, This indicates retail packaging. OEM versions are often a CD shrink-wrapped to a card. A large clue is where the COA or license key sticker is: of there's a COA sticker on the PC, it's OEM. If there's no sticker on the PC and the CD Install Key is in the folder somewhere, it's retail or possibly Upgrade. If it's an upgrade CD, all is not lost. You simply need to have a qualifying CD for a qualifying previous version, and insert it when asked. You do NOT have to install that version first. I don't think this is OEM. I'd like to move to to another system. If you have a retail package, and it sounds like you do, there is no problem with moving the license. At very worst, you will have to make a five-minute toll-free phone call when you activate. If you are asked, and often you aren't, simply say you are reinstalling. MS is aware that once in a while, Windows reinstalls are necessary. As to the old box, you need do nothing other than stop using it. However, if it has data you require, attach the old drive to the new system and copy the data over. If it HAD data that you consider private, and you want to ensure that it isn't recoverable, run a drive-wiping program on it, and then remove the drive from the system. Then, get safety googles and a hammer, and beat the * out of the drive, ensuring that you shatter the platters. Call it therapy. Then, dispose of the remains in the appropriate manner for your area. Most jurisdictions have electronics recycling or disposal facilities. HTH -pk |
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:42:01 -0700,
wrote: If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard Not correct. The OEM license is tied to the *computer*, and it may never be moved to another computer. For a long time, it wasn't clear exactly what constituted the original computer, and many people felt that replacing the motherboard made it a different computer. However, Microsoft has clarified the situation. See http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...buyorupgrade/a... or http://tinyurl.com/384gx5 which states "If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM." So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it. Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to assume that the same thing applies to XP. (3yr capacitor life, it's done). Sorry, I have no idea what you mean by that. If you are saying that a motherboard lasts only three years, that's completely false. Some may fail after only three years, but no motherboard I've ever owned has lasted anywhere near such a short time. However, I built the other system and paid full price for Windows XP in the shiney green folder, I don't think this is OEM. I'd like to move to to another system. I have no idea what you mean by "Full Price." Both retail and OEM copies have been sold at a wide variety of prices, depending on where and when you bought it. Find the Product key with Magical Jellybean at www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder.shtml and see if it contains the characters "OEM.: -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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On Sep 28, 12:42*am,
wrote: I recently got my build-from-scratch-box back. *I'm not happy: The password was changed; Some parts are gone; The video card was damaged; And, It's slow. Windows XP was pulled out of the 2002 package for the 2nd time ever, full price, requested a call to Microsoft, poof it works now, but slow and on it's last legs. Question: If my 2002 system is old, can I put Windows XP on a new build-from-scratch-box? - Wikipedia calls this a FPP Full Purchase Product and says yes if I take a sledgehammer to the old box (gladly...infact it runs so slow, they might have lol.) - Everyone I'm talking to says yes. - However, Microsoft is a business and business are in business to make money. *Would they say no, the day I return from the store and have everything? If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard (3yr capacitor life, it's done). *However, I built the other system and paid full price for Windows XP in the shiney green folder, I don't think this is OEM. *I'd like to move to to another system. FPP versions of XP were usually delivered in a folder with an orange colour label used for the CD key. OEM versions were / are shipped in a CD case with a sticker for the CD key, which should be stuck onto the PC's "case." |
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XP install EULA: OEM vs FPP
In news
Ken Blake, MVP typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:54:37 -0700:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:42:01 -0700, wrote: If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard Not correct. The OEM license is tied to the *computer*, and it may never be moved to another computer. For a long time, it wasn't clear exactly what constituted the original computer, and many people felt that replacing the motherboard made it a different computer. However, Microsoft has clarified the situation. See http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...buyorupgrade/a... or http://tinyurl.com/384gx5 which states "If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM." So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it. Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to assume that the same thing applies to XP. So what does that mean? You can change the motherboard, power supply, keyboard, mouse, RAM, cables, and drives. So there is nothing left except the case? -- Bill Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600) Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC |
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BillW50 wrote:
So what does that mean? You can change the motherboard, power supply, keyboard, mouse, RAM, cables, and drives. So there is nothing left except the case? It's unclear is what it all means - 'computer'... is not defined. So - possibly. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:12:03 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:
In news Ken Blake, MVP typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:54:37 -0700: "If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM." So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it. Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to assume that the same thing applies to XP. So what does that mean? You can change the motherboard, power supply, keyboard, mouse, RAM, cables, and drives. So there is nothing left except the case? It isn't at all clear what constitutes the same computer. But as I've said here many times in the past (with my tongue at least partly in my cheek), especially since the OEM puts the tag identifying the Product key and the license *on the case*, if it ever came to a lawsuit, the customer might be able to successfully argue that yes, the case was what made it remain the same computer. But let me point out that a very similar situation exists with many things besides computers, and even if you also replace the case. Cars, for example. Let's say you register a car and get a license plate for it. Then (perhaps a little at a time, and perhaps after a series of collisions), you replace all the components--the body, the frame, the engine, the transmission, the wheels, the tires, the seats, etc. Is it the same car? Is your license plate still valid? Almost certainly the government would consider that your license plate was still valid. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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BillW50 wrote: So what does that mean? You can change the motherboard, power supply, keyboard, mouse, RAM, cables, and drives. So there is nothing left except the case? You do all this in stages. Change you Mobo and then a week later change your HD then 3 days later change your RAM etc. Changing of power supply or keyboard or mouse or any USB devises did not affect anyway. So go ahead and do whatever you can. M$ is facing serious competition and so activation is not going to last for ever. What might happen is that all software suppliers will start selling online and all software will be hosted on remote sites and this might solve the problem of piracy if this is really the problem. I don't think piracy is a serious problem as far as software is concerned because only the hobbyist are involved who would not buy the software in the first place. Serious users always buy their own software like I do!. |
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote: Is it the same car? Is your license plate still valid? Almost certainly the government would consider that your license plate was still valid. In UK we can put our personalized license plate (we call it number plate) on any new car we buy. We don't have to have the number plate supplied by the car vendor. All it requires is to register the number plate and the news car with our DVLA - Driver's and Vehicle Licensing Authority. Microscum's licensing rules had always been dodgy and so activation of M$ products have become pretty easy these days. Have you finished learning how to format and reinstall a new OS on a system? You have said many time here that you have not reformatted your HD since Windows 3.0! I wonder how you have managed to run XP and Vista on your clap trap system! I can't run Vista properly on my P4 system but you seem to be able to do on your AT system (or even XT)! |
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:12:03 -0500, "BillW50" wrote: In news Ken Blake, MVP typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:54:37 -0700: "If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM." So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it. Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to assume that the same thing applies to XP. So what does that mean? You can change the motherboard, power supply, keyboard, mouse, RAM, cables, and drives. So there is nothing left except the case? It isn't at all clear what constitutes the same computer. But as I've said here many times in the past (with my tongue at least partly in my cheek), especially since the OEM puts the tag identifying the Product key and the license *on the case*, if it ever came to a lawsuit, the customer might be able to successfully argue that yes, the case was what made it remain the same computer. But let me point out that a very similar situation exists with many things besides computers, and even if you also replace the case. Cars, for example. Let's say you register a car and get a license plate for it. Then (perhaps a little at a time, and perhaps after a series of collisions), you replace all the components--the body, the frame, the engine, the transmission, the wheels, the tires, the seats, etc. Is it the same car? Is your license plate still valid? Almost certainly the government would consider that your license plate was still valid. But the title sure would be a mess! VBG |
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