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Old September 28th 09, 09:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
BillW50
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ANONYMOUS typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:21:08 +0100:
BillW50 wrote:

So what does that mean? You can change the motherboard, power supply,
keyboard, mouse, RAM, cables, and drives. So there is nothing left
except the case?


You do all this in stages. Change you Mobo and then a week later
change your HD then 3 days later change your RAM etc. Changing of
power supply or keyboard or mouse or any USB devises did not affect
anyway. So go ahead and do whatever you can. M$ is facing serious
competition and so activation is not going to last for ever. What
might happen is that all software suppliers will start selling online
and all software will be hosted on remote sites and this might solve
the problem of piracy if this is really the problem. I don't think
piracy is a serious problem as far as software is concerned because
only the hobbyist are involved who would not buy the software in the
first place. Serious users always buy their own software like I do!.


I remember listening to NPR once in about 2002 (the only radio station
that I could pull in) driving through Michigan. And they reported that
Microsoft claimed that one out of three Microsoft products sold in
Michigan were illegal copies.

I have no problems of Microsoft going after pirates. What I do have a
problem with is when companies also go after legal users. As when they
go after the pirates, they also make things harder for legal users. As
legal users often end up buying more than one legal copy to make it work
for one reason or another. It isn't just Microsoft, but lots of
companies are doing this (I have lost thousands of dollars from this
myself). Yet I know of no lawsuits to stop this practice.

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Old September 29th 09, 12:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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BillW50 wrote:
In news Ken Blake, MVP typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:54:37 -0700:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:42:01 -0700,
wrote:

If it's OEM, I know the license is tied to the motherboard

Not correct. The OEM license is tied to the *computer*, and it may
never be moved to another computer.

For a long time, it wasn't clear exactly what constituted the original
computer, and many people felt that replacing the motherboard made it
a different computer. However, Microsoft has clarified the situation.
See
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...buyorupgrade/a...
or http://tinyurl.com/384gx5

which states

"If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a
major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment
Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you
replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM."

So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it.

Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to
assume that the same thing applies to XP.


So what does that mean? You can change the motherboard, power supply,
keyboard, mouse, RAM, cables, and drives. So there is nothing left
except the case?


Actually, you could have nothing left but a screw.

M
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Old September 29th 09, 02:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:


But let me point out that a very similar situation exists with many
things besides computers, and even if you also replace the case. Cars,
for example. Let's say you register a car and get a license plate for
it. Then (perhaps a little at a time, and perhaps after a series of
collisions), you replace all the components--the body, the frame, the
engine, the transmission, the wheels, the tires, the seats, etc.

Is it the same car? Is your license plate still valid? Almost
certainly the government would consider that your license plate was
still valid.


But let's hope they take away the *driver's* license, after all that. :-}


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Old September 29th 09, 02:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:13:45 -0600, Bruce Chambers
wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:


But let me point out that a very similar situation exists with many
things besides computers, and even if you also replace the case. Cars,
for example. Let's say you register a car and get a license plate for
it. Then (perhaps a little at a time, and perhaps after a series of
collisions), you replace all the components--the body, the frame, the
engine, the transmission, the wheels, the tires, the seats, etc.

Is it the same car? Is your license plate still valid? Almost
certainly the government would consider that your license plate was
still valid.


But let's hope they take away the *driver's* license, after all that. :-}




LOL!


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Old September 29th 09, 07:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Roy Smith[_6_]
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:12:03 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In news Ken Blake, MVP typed on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:54:37 -0700:


"If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a
major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment
Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you
replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM."

So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it.

Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to
assume that the same thing applies to XP.


So what does that mean? You can change the motherboard, power supply,
keyboard, mouse, RAM, cables, and drives. So there is nothing left
except the case?



It isn't at all clear what constitutes the same computer. But as I've
said here many times in the past (with my tongue at least partly in my
cheek), especially since the OEM puts the tag identifying the Product
key and the license *on the case*, if it ever came to a lawsuit, the
customer might be able to successfully argue that yes, the case was
what made it remain the same computer.

But let me point out that a very similar situation exists with many
things besides computers, and even if you also replace the case. Cars,
for example. Let's say you register a car and get a license plate for
it. Then (perhaps a little at a time, and perhaps after a series of
collisions), you replace all the components--the body, the frame, the
engine, the transmission, the wheels, the tires, the seats, etc.

Is it the same car? Is your license plate still valid? Almost
certainly the government would consider that your license plate was
still valid.



I don't think that they would still consider it the same car once the body
had been changed. Because when you change the body, you'd also have to
change the VIN number of the vehicle. And I could be wrong, but isn't it
against the law in most states to tamper with the VIN number plate that is
attached to the body of a car? But this analogy is a moot point because not
all states tie the plate to the VIN number of a car. Where I live the plate
is owned by the person, so when you sell your car you keep your plate and
put it on the new car and re-register it.


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