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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:30:17 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such ancient hardware. Amount of RAM is far more important. Sorry. You can't simply dismiss CPU type or clock speed and say it's less important than installed ram. If you optimize XP (remove a lot of running services and do a few other things) then you can run XP on 256 mb. It helps if you have a fast hard drive and controller, and AGP-4x or faster video. But the CPU can be a show-stopper even with 512 mb or 1 gb of memory. I don't care how much ram you have - XP on anything less than an 800 mh P-3 will be a dog. Sorry, but I disagree with both of you. What hardware you need for acceptable performance depends very greatly on what apps you run. My wife is a perfect example. She used to run Windows XP on an extremely low-power machine--a 400MHz CPU with 256MB of RAM. She was completely satisfied with its performance and turned me down whenever I proposed upgrading it for her. Why was she satisfied with such a low-power machine? Because all she did was e-mail, an occasional web search, and solitaire (and *very* occasionally created a simple word processing document). And I know several other people with very light computer use who are also satisfied with low-power machines. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:05:40 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:30:17 -0500, 98 Guy wrote: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such ancient hardware. Amount of RAM is far more important. Sorry. You can't simply dismiss CPU type or clock speed and say it's less important than installed ram. If you optimize XP (remove a lot of running services and do a few other things) then you can run XP on 256 mb. It helps if you have a fast hard drive and controller, and AGP-4x or faster video. But the CPU can be a show-stopper even with 512 mb or 1 gb of memory. I don't care how much ram you have - XP on anything less than an 800 mh P-3 will be a dog. Sorry, but I disagree with both of you. What hardware you need for acceptable performance depends very greatly on what apps you run. My wife is a perfect example. She used to run Windows XP on an extremely low-power machine--a 400MHz CPU with 256MB of RAM. She was completely satisfied with its performance and turned me down whenever I proposed upgrading it for her. Why was she satisfied with such a low-power machine? Because all she did was e-mail, an occasional web search, and solitaire (and *very* occasionally created a simple word processing document). And I know several other people with very light computer use who are also satisfied with low-power machines. I agree. The reason for a PCI graphic card, was my onboard video card was acting up. (I know it is a sign of my motherboard going bad. I just hope it can hold up tell tax time). I really like this system. Greg |
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modem question and modem string wanted
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:
Franc Zabkar wrote: 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic) The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had a hardware controller. I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems). The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem. Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem. My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series Greg |
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Greg wrote:
The reason for a PCI graphic card, was my onboard video card was acting up. (I know it is a sign of my motherboard going bad. I just hope it can hold up tell tax time). What motherboard with ISA slots has on-board video??? |
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy put finger to
keyboard and composed: I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. PCtel made a PnP ISA HSP (softmodem) chipset (PCT288I): http://www.modemsite.com/56K/pctel.asp They were used in Commwave/Multiwave ISA modems. Here is a datasheet: http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-...-308/16942.pdf - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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Greg typed on Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:00:02 -0500: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy wrote: Franc Zabkar wrote: 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic) The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had a hardware controller. I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems). The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem. Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem. My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series Virtually all non-RS-232 modems are WinModems and requires the manufactures driver before Windows will see it. -- Bill Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2 |
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Franc Zabkar wrote:
I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. PCtel made a PnP ISA HSP (softmodem) chipset (PCT288I): http://www.modemsite.com/56K/pctel.asp They were used in Commwave/Multiwave ISA modems. Here is a datasheet: You will note that in the data sheet, it says that: "PCMCIA or PnP (for 8/16 bit ISA) requires additional PCMCIA interface or PnP chip." The PCT288I itself does not contain a host-bus interface. So we (I) will need to see evidence that this chip made it to a consumer product in the form of an ISA-bus card. This might be relevant: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Multiw...em.-a020489847 If I read this correctly, this press release seems to mark the first time that a controller-less modem from Multiwave became available for general sale. Note that it is a PCI card: --------------- FREMONT, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 15, 1998--Multiwave Innovation announced the introduction of the CommWave 56k PCI The new modem is designed with the best-of-class modem chipset from Lucent Technologies Microelectronics Group which has won numerous awards. CommWave 56k PCI modem is the next generation of Digital Signal Processor-based modem solutions. Its high level of integration creates an ultra-low-cost, high performance, low power, full-featured modem utilizing minimum CPU CPU in full central processing unit The integrated PCI interface allows it to have greater access to host PC system resources. In conjunction with the host PC, it implements K56flex technology, with which PC users can achieve Internet connection rates up to 56kbits/sec with backward compatibility. ------------------ |
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Greg wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy wrote: Franc Zabkar wrote: 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic) The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had a hardware controller. I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems). The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem. Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem. My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series Greg Greg, I gave you the ATI commands so you could find out exactly what this modem is, firmware, etc.. It might help to solve your issues if you were to provide the group with that information, and would certainly end the debate on controllerless or not, and what potential software you might need. It sure would help to know.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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BillW50 wrote:
In , Greg typed on Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:00:02 -0500: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy wrote: Franc Zabkar wrote: 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic) The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had a hardware controller. I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems). The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem. Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem. My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series Virtually all non-RS-232 modems are WinModems and requires the manufactures driver before Windows will see it. But wouldn't there be some advantage to replacing a WinModem with one that had a built-in controller to do all the processing (assuming they were still available? I gather they are not (in a PCI card) from what you're saying. Or is it that at this point in time, the overall difference wouldn't even be noticeable on the current systems? Like maybe the "performance hit" would only be noticeable on some really old and slow CPUs (like a 100 or 200 MHz)? |
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:43:49 -0500, MEB
wrote: Greg wrote: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy wrote: Franc Zabkar wrote: 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic) The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had a hardware controller. I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems). The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem. Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem. My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series Greg Greg, I gave you the ATI commands so you could find out exactly what this modem is, firmware, etc.. It might help to solve your issues if you were to provide the group with that information, and would certainly end the debate on controllerless or not, and what potential software you might need. It sure would help to know.. MEB., That reply was for 98guy. Not you. To All, My computer specs again. 5 drive bays. 2 Memory slots-on board P3 500 mhz cpu 5 pci slots or 4 pci slots and 1 agp slot. 2 ISA slots Two USB 1.0/1.1-on board slots One printer port -on board slots Two serial ports-on board slots One ps2 keyboard port-on board slot One ps2 mouse port on-board slot On board sound cards (Still works but using the ISA sound card, I bought for dos game compatibility) Trying to the fix the confusion. My previous modem was a pci modem. Which worked fine until it quit and it was a winmodem as well. The modem, I am using now, is an ISA modem. This is only temporary. Tell my pci modem comes in. Hopefully, with drivers for both 98se and xp. I will possible keep the isa modem installed, because it works with puppy Linux. Greg |
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:58:21 -0500, 98 Guy put finger to
keyboard and composed: Franc Zabkar wrote: I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. PCtel made a PnP ISA HSP (softmodem) chipset (PCT288I): http://www.modemsite.com/56K/pctel.asp They were used in Commwave/Multiwave ISA modems. Here is a datasheet: You will note that in the data sheet, it says that: "PCMCIA or PnP (for 8/16 bit ISA) requires additional PCMCIA interface or PnP chip." The PCT288I itself does not contain a host-bus interface. So we (I) will need to see evidence that this chip made it to a consumer product in the form of an ISA-bus card. AISI, the datasheet shows that the PCT288I does contain an interface to the "PC Bus". Only the PnP functionality would need to be provided by additional silicon. In fact I have a 56K Dynalink ISA modem with a Rockwell/Conexant ACF2 chipset that can be jumpered for PnP mode or non-PnP mode. It has a datapump, controller, RAM, OTPROM, and an additional chip specifically for negotiating PnP. This might be relevant: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Multiw...em.-a020489847 If I read this correctly, this press release seems to mark the first time that a controller-less modem from Multiwave became available for general sale. Note that it is a PCI card: --------------- FREMONT, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 15, 1998--Multiwave Innovation announced the introduction of the CommWave 56k PCI Here is Multiwave's archived news page (09 Jan 1998): http://web.archive.org/web/199807041...e.com/news.htm New Product, October 1997: "CommWave 56K PnP Internal modem -- the K56Flex compatible ISA SoftModem for Windows 95 is now available for USA and most Asia countries." The following is a single-chip 56K ISA softmodem. Even the DSP is emulated by the host, so this modem has less silicon than even a controllerless modem. Drivers for V.90/K56Flex ISA 56K HSP PnP and PCMCIA v7.55 Released : 27 October 98: http://web.archive.org/web/199902080...multiwave.com/ MULTIWAVE INNOVATION, INC COMMWAVE 56K PNP (REV.1.0): http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/modems-t...s-asynchr.html Tech specs for CommWave CW56K HSP modem: http://web.archive.org/web/199812052...d_cw56khsp.htm "Full ISA Intel's Plug-n-Play" "Single-Chip Host Signal Processing (HSP) ASIC" "No redundant high speed chipsets such as Data Pump (or DSP), UART, SRAM and ROM found in most high speed data/fax modem board" - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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Greg wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:43:49 -0500, MEB wrote: Greg wrote: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy wrote: Franc Zabkar wrote: 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic) The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had a hardware controller. I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems). The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem. Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem. My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series Greg Greg, I gave you the ATI commands so you could find out exactly what this modem is, firmware, etc.. It might help to solve your issues if you were to provide the group with that information, and would certainly end the debate on controllerless or not, and what potential software you might need. It sure would help to know.. MEB., That reply was for 98guy. Not you. To All, My computer specs again. 5 drive bays. 2 Memory slots-on board P3 500 mhz cpu 5 pci slots or 4 pci slots and 1 agp slot. 2 ISA slots Two USB 1.0/1.1-on board slots One printer port -on board slots Two serial ports-on board slots One ps2 keyboard port-on board slot One ps2 mouse port on-board slot On board sound cards (Still works but using the ISA sound card, I bought for dos game compatibility) Trying to the fix the confusion. My previous modem was a pci modem. Which worked fine until it quit and it was a winmodem as well. The modem, I am using now, is an ISA modem. This is only temporary. Tell my pci modem comes in. Hopefully, with drivers for both 98se and xp. I will possible keep the isa modem installed, because it works with puppy Linux. Greg Okay, Greg, continue to talk about it in THEORY, or supply what the group actually needs, the MODEM device ID, firmware, etc., which comes via running the ATI* commands which I provided using a terminal program. The AT&V information would also be valuable. [those commands were shown with a small i to avoid confusion with a 1] Unless you're careful in your purchase, the new PCI modem will be controllerless... perhaps you would like some suggestions on what to potentially look for, for cross-platform compatibility, or have you already purchased the new modem? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Franc Zabkar wrote:
In fact I have a 56K Dynalink ISA modem with a Rockwell/Conexant ACF2 chipset that can be jumpered for PnP mode or non-PnP mode. It has a datapump, controller, RAM, OTPROM, and an additional chip specifically for negotiating PnP. Let's get a handle on the types of modems. There a - Softmodems or winmodems (aka full softmodems) - controller-based modems (aka hardware modems) - controller-less modems (aka half-soft modems) Softmodems do not have a DPU (Data Pump Unit) which contains the DSP-Digital Signal Processor and they also lack an MCU (on-board microprocessor control unit). These are the dumbest and cheapest modems, and put the highest load on the PC's CPU. They will not function under DOS. These are the modems that you will not find in ISA-bus format. PCTel, ESS, Conexant Soft56K, HSF, U.S. Robotics 5670 are all softmodems. Winmodem is a trade-name owned by US Robotics. It's their terminology for what is essentially a softmodem. Legally, other companies could not call their product a "Winmodem". US Robotics stopped using the term "Winmodem" at some point for their controller-based modems because many people always equated "winmodem" with "softmodem". Controller-based modems have both the DPU and MCU built-in. All external modems that connect to a computer over a serial cable are full controller-based modems. It is RARE to find a full controller-based hardware modem in PCI or PCIe format. The U.S. Robotics 5610 is a controller based PCI internal fax modem. Controller-less modems have a DPU but hand off the controller functions to the PC's cpu. From a performace point of view, this is much better than a full soft-modem because the most CPU-intensive data processing is done by the modem's DPU. If there ever were any full soft-modems made in ISA-bus format, then they must have been pathetic in operation because the performance of the ISA bus was poor relative to the data transfer that needed to be done, and the 16-bit ISA bus would be highly inefficient for a 32-bit OS or driver, as it would have to constantly thunking up and down. New Product, October 1997: "CommWave 56K PnP Internal modem -- the K56Flex compatible ISA SoftModem for Windows 95 is now available for USA and most Asia countries." Must have been a piece-of-**** in operation. My guess is that ISA-based full softmodems were a short-lived phenomena. |
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Bill in Co. typed on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:27:10 -0700: BillW50 wrote: In , Greg typed on Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:00:02 -0500: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy wrote: Franc Zabkar wrote: 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic) The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had a hardware controller. I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems). The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem. Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem. My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series Virtually all non-RS-232 modems are WinModems and requires the manufactures driver before Windows will see it. But wouldn't there be some advantage to replacing a WinModem with one that had a built-in controller to do all the processing (assuming they were still available? I gather they are not (in a PCI card) from what you're saying. Or is it that at this point in time, the overall difference wouldn't even be noticeable on the current systems? Like maybe the "performance hit" would only be noticeable on some really old and slow CPUs (like a 100 or 200 MHz)? "98 Guy" explained it better than I could. And I used WinModems back then and while people claimed that WinModems used a lot of CPU power, I never saw much of a performance difference. -- Bill Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2 |
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:56:46 -0500, MEB
wrote: Greg wrote: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:43:49 -0500, MEB wrote: Greg wrote: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy wrote: Franc Zabkar wrote: 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic) The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had a hardware controller. I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless. The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems). The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem. Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem. My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series Greg Greg, I gave you the ATI commands so you could find out exactly what this modem is, firmware, etc.. It might help to solve your issues if you were to provide the group with that information, and would certainly end the debate on controllerless or not, and what potential software you might need. It sure would help to know.. MEB., That reply was for 98guy. Not you. To All, My computer specs again. 5 drive bays. 2 Memory slots-on board P3 500 mhz cpu 5 pci slots or 4 pci slots and 1 agp slot. 2 ISA slots Two USB 1.0/1.1-on board slots One printer port -on board slots Two serial ports-on board slots One ps2 keyboard port-on board slot One ps2 mouse port on-board slot On board sound cards (Still works but using the ISA sound card, I bought for dos game compatibility) Trying to the fix the confusion. My previous modem was a pci modem. Which worked fine until it quit and it was a winmodem as well. The modem, I am using now, is an ISA modem. This is only temporary. Tell my pci modem comes in. Hopefully, with drivers for both 98se and xp. I will possible keep the isa modem installed, because it works with puppy Linux. Greg Okay, Greg, continue to talk about it in THEORY, or supply what the group actually needs, the MODEM device ID, firmware, etc., which comes via running the ATI* commands which I provided using a terminal program. The AT&V information would also be valuable. [those commands were shown with a small i to avoid confusion with a 1] Unless you're careful in your purchase, the new PCI modem will be controllerless... perhaps you would like some suggestions on what to potentially look for, for cross-platform compatibility, or have you already purchased the new modem? Your confusing the issue and me. I already ordered the pci modem, it suppose to have driver for both 98se and xp. On the ISA modem, I am using, it is temporary for 98se. The reason I want the string, there is no volume control for this modem in 98se. (Yes, I looked, grey out) The other reasons, it was not showing the DTE speed. You could of been simple and said put this string in like this AT+W2 L0 Greg |
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