Original CD won't 'restore' system ??

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Paul typed:
What would happen, if a necessary disk driver wasn't offered via F6 ?

On an older system, you'd expect the default Windows driver to be
enough, in which case pressing F6 would not be necessary during
the install.

Now, if a driver was needed, what would the system response be ?
I would not have expected "freezing" to be an acceptable solution.

You could check the BIOS and make sure the storage interface
is in an easy-to-use mode. Intel chipsets might have
IDE, AHCI, or RAID as choices, and I'd choose IDE to make
the installation proceed as easily as possible. Now, chances
are it's already set that way, because you mentioned "win98".

I can't ever remember trying to install DOS or Windows 98 on a SATA
drive before. But I don't think those care if it is or not. Although
some NT based Windows does care. Windows 2000 and XP are the ones that
do. And unless there is a setting in the BIOS, Windows will need a SATA
driver before it can see the drive. And I am pretty sure without the
SATA driver, the install will not react to keys if it can't find a drive
to install Windows.

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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

"BillW50" wrote in message
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My favorite tools for NT based Windows is either BartPE or WinPE. And
I would stay away from Live Linux, since they have been known to mess
up some Windows installs and to make Windows unbootable. It appears
some Linux distros borrows the Windows swapfile and can leave it in a
state that makes Windows unbootable.
snip


Linux Live CDs are loaded entirely in memory and do not touch a hard
drive in any way, without explicit direction from the user.

They don't use the Windows swap file even if the user chooses to install
Linux on the hard drive.... the swap file is OS-dependent and Linux
installed on the hard drive creates its own.

What Linux distro are you referring to, that makes Windows unbootable
and/or "borrows the Windows swap file?"
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
snip
My favorite tools for NT based Windows is either BartPE or WinPE. And
I would stay away from Live Linux, since they have been known to mess
up some Windows installs and to make Windows unbootable. It appears
some Linux distros borrows the Windows swapfile and can leave it in a
state that makes Windows unbootable.
snip

Linux Live CDs are loaded entirely in memory and do not touch a hard
drive in any way, without explicit direction from the user.

Yes I know that is the claim and yes I know that is what about 99% or
better believe.

They don't use the Windows swap file even if the user chooses to
install Linux on the hard drive.... the swap file is OS-dependent and
Linux installed on the hard drive creates its own.

Actually that isn't so. It depends on the one compiles the Linux code if
it does or not. Just like the Xandros Linux that was used on Asus EeePC
machines only could access 1GB of RAM max, no matter how much RAM the
machine actually had. Why when Xandros was configured with this
limitation when compiled, who only knows?

What Linux distro are you referring to, that makes Windows unbootable
and/or "borrows the Windows swap file?"

The one example I know very well was Ubuntu v8.10 back in 2009. I also
tested Puppy Linux during this period and it didn't have this problem.
Whether later Ubuntu builds has the same problem or not, I do not know
or even care. As I learned to not mix Linux and Windows at the same
time. Far less problems that way.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
snip
My favorite tools for NT based Windows is either BartPE or WinPE.
And
I would stay away from Live Linux, since they have been known to
mess
up some Windows installs and to make Windows unbootable. It appears
some Linux distros borrows the Windows swapfile and can leave it in
a
state that makes Windows unbootable.
snip

Linux Live CDs are loaded entirely in memory and do not touch a hard
drive in any way, without explicit direction from the user.

Yes I know that is the claim and yes I know that is what about 99% or
better believe.

They don't use the Windows swap file even if the user chooses to
install Linux on the hard drive.... the swap file is OS-dependent and
Linux installed on the hard drive creates its own.

Actually that isn't so. It depends on the one compiles the Linux code
if it does or not. Just like the Xandros Linux that was used on Asus
EeePC machines only could access 1GB of RAM max, no matter how much
RAM the machine actually had. Why when Xandros was configured with
this limitation when compiled, who only knows?

What Linux distro are you referring to, that makes Windows unbootable
and/or "borrows the Windows swap file?"

The one example I know very well was Ubuntu v8.10 back in 2009. I also
tested Puppy Linux during this period and it didn't have this problem.
Whether later Ubuntu builds has the same problem or not, I do not know
or even care. As I learned to not mix Linux and Windows at the same
time. Far less problems that way.

What you are stating is about Linux installations, not Live CDs. Live
CDs don't touch the hard drive other than to poll what is there in case
the user wants to mount one later. I don't doubt that you've seen Linux
installations that have caused issues with Windows, but you referred
originally to Live Linux , which are bootable Live CDs, and they don't,
by default, touch the hard drive.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
snip
My favorite tools for NT based Windows is either BartPE or WinPE.
And I would stay away from Live Linux, since they have been known
to mess up some Windows installs and to make Windows unbootable. It
appears some Linux distros borrows the Windows swapfile and can
leave it in a state that makes Windows unbootable.
snip

Linux Live CDs are loaded entirely in memory and do not touch a hard
drive in any way, without explicit direction from the user.

Yes I know that is the claim and yes I know that is what about 99% or
better believe.

They don't use the Windows swap file even if the user chooses to
install Linux on the hard drive.... the swap file is OS-dependent
and Linux installed on the hard drive creates its own.

Actually that isn't so. It depends on the one compiles the Linux code
if it does or not. Just like the Xandros Linux that was used on Asus
EeePC machines only could access 1GB of RAM max, no matter how much
RAM the machine actually had. Why when Xandros was configured with
this limitation when compiled, who only knows?

What Linux distro are you referring to, that makes Windows
unbootable and/or "borrows the Windows swap file?"

The one example I know very well was Ubuntu v8.10 back in 2009. I
also tested Puppy Linux during this period and it didn't have this
problem. Whether later Ubuntu builds has the same problem or not, I
do not know or even care. As I learned to not mix Linux and Windows
at the same time. Far less problems that way.

What you are stating is about Linux installations, not Live CDs. Live
CDs don't touch the hard drive other than to poll what is there in
case the user wants to mount one later. I don't doubt that you've
seen Linux installations that have caused issues with Windows, but
you referred originally to Live Linux , which are bootable Live CDs,
and they don't, by default, touch the hard drive.

No, what I am referring to is about *only* Live Linux. And using Live
Linux and purposely not accessing the Windows drive at all. But at least
Ubuntu Live Linux does anyway behind your back.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
snip
My favorite tools for NT based Windows is either BartPE or WinPE.
And I would stay away from Live Linux, since they have been known
to mess up some Windows installs and to make Windows unbootable.
It appears some Linux distros borrows the Windows swapfile and can
leave it in a state that makes Windows unbootable.
snip

Linux Live CDs are loaded entirely in memory and do not touch a
hard
drive in any way, without explicit direction from the user.

Yes I know that is the claim and yes I know that is what about 99%
or
better believe.

They don't use the Windows swap file even if the user chooses to
install Linux on the hard drive.... the swap file is OS-dependent
and Linux installed on the hard drive creates its own.

Actually that isn't so. It depends on the one compiles the Linux
code
if it does or not. Just like the Xandros Linux that was used on Asus
EeePC machines only could access 1GB of RAM max, no matter how much
RAM the machine actually had. Why when Xandros was configured with
this limitation when compiled, who only knows?

What Linux distro are you referring to, that makes Windows
unbootable and/or "borrows the Windows swap file?"

The one example I know very well was Ubuntu v8.10 back in 2009. I
also tested Puppy Linux during this period and it didn't have this
problem. Whether later Ubuntu builds has the same problem or not, I
do not know or even care. As I learned to not mix Linux and Windows
at the same time. Far less problems that way.

What you are stating is about Linux installations, not Live CDs.
Live
CDs don't touch the hard drive other than to poll what is there in
case the user wants to mount one later. I don't doubt that you've
seen Linux installations that have caused issues with Windows, but
you referred originally to Live Linux , which are bootable Live CDs,
and they don't, by default, touch the hard drive.

No, what I am referring to is about *only* Live Linux. And using Live
Linux and purposely not accessing the Windows drive at all. But at
least Ubuntu Live Linux does anyway behind your back.

Well, you're wrong. Ubuntu Live CD doesn't install anything on the hard
drive by default, it loads entirely into memory.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
snip
My favorite tools for NT based Windows is either BartPE or WinPE.
And I would stay away from Live Linux, since they have been known
to mess up some Windows installs and to make Windows unbootable.
It appears some Linux distros borrows the Windows swapfile and
can leave it in a state that makes Windows unbootable.
snip

Linux Live CDs are loaded entirely in memory and do not touch a
hard drive in any way, without explicit direction from the user.

Yes I know that is the claim and yes I know that is what about 99%
or
better believe.

They don't use the Windows swap file even if the user chooses to
install Linux on the hard drive.... the swap file is OS-dependent
and Linux installed on the hard drive creates its own.

Actually that isn't so. It depends on the one compiles the Linux
code if it does or not. Just like the Xandros Linux that was used
on Asus EeePC machines only could access 1GB of RAM max, no matter
how much RAM the machine actually had. Why when Xandros was
configured with this limitation when compiled, who only knows?

What Linux distro are you referring to, that makes Windows
unbootable and/or "borrows the Windows swap file?"

The one example I know very well was Ubuntu v8.10 back in 2009. I
also tested Puppy Linux during this period and it didn't have this
problem. Whether later Ubuntu builds has the same problem or not, I
do not know or even care. As I learned to not mix Linux and Windows
at the same time. Far less problems that way.

What you are stating is about Linux installations, not Live CDs.
Live CDs don't touch the hard drive other than to poll what is there
in case the user wants to mount one later. I don't doubt that you've
seen Linux installations that have caused issues with Windows, but
you referred originally to Live Linux , which are bootable Live CDs,
and they don't, by default, touch the hard drive.

No, what I am referring to is about *only* Live Linux. And using Live
Linux and purposely not accessing the Windows drive at all. But at
least Ubuntu Live Linux does anyway behind your back.

Well, you're wrong. Ubuntu Live CD doesn't install anything on the
hard drive by default, it loads entirely into memory.

Yeah I know you think that. And yes, Ubuntu Live isn't really installing
anything per se, but borrows the Windows swapfile for its own use. And
apparently this practice hasn't been beta tested enough. As under some
conditions can render Windows unbootable. And I don't think Ubuntu
should be touching any Windows partition on its own anyway. If it asks
first that would be ok with me, but behind your back isn't okay.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Yeah I know you think that. And yes, Ubuntu Live isn't really
installing anything per se, but borrows the Windows swapfile for
its own use.

Citation, please.

I don't think you'll find a credible one.

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
snip
My favorite tools for NT based Windows is either BartPE or
WinPE.
And I would stay away from Live Linux, since they have been
known
to mess up some Windows installs and to make Windows unbootable.
It appears some Linux distros borrows the Windows swapfile and
can leave it in a state that makes Windows unbootable.
snip

Linux Live CDs are loaded entirely in memory and do not touch a
hard drive in any way, without explicit direction from the user.

Yes I know that is the claim and yes I know that is what about 99%
or
better believe.

They don't use the Windows swap file even if the user chooses to
install Linux on the hard drive.... the swap file is OS-dependent
and Linux installed on the hard drive creates its own.

Actually that isn't so. It depends on the one compiles the Linux
code if it does or not. Just like the Xandros Linux that was used
on Asus EeePC machines only could access 1GB of RAM max, no matter
how much RAM the machine actually had. Why when Xandros was
configured with this limitation when compiled, who only knows?

What Linux distro are you referring to, that makes Windows
unbootable and/or "borrows the Windows swap file?"

The one example I know very well was Ubuntu v8.10 back in 2009. I
also tested Puppy Linux during this period and it didn't have this
problem. Whether later Ubuntu builds has the same problem or not,
I
do not know or even care. As I learned to not mix Linux and
Windows
at the same time. Far less problems that way.

What you are stating is about Linux installations, not Live CDs.
Live CDs don't touch the hard drive other than to poll what is
there in case the user wants to mount one later. I don't doubt that
you've seen Linux installations that have caused issues with
Windows, but you referred originally to Live Linux , which are
bootable Live CDs, and they don't, by default, touch the hard
drive.

No, what I am referring to is about *only* Live Linux. And using
Live
Linux and purposely not accessing the Windows drive at all. But at
least Ubuntu Live Linux does anyway behind your back.

Well, you're wrong. Ubuntu Live CD doesn't install anything on the
hard drive by default, it loads entirely into memory.

Yeah I know you think that. And yes, Ubuntu Live isn't really
installing anything per se, but borrows the Windows swapfile for its
own use. And apparently this practice hasn't been beta tested enough.
As under some conditions can render Windows unbootable. And I don't
think Ubuntu should be touching any Windows partition on its own
anyway. If it asks first that would be ok with me, but behind your
back isn't okay.

Please show us any credible evidence that any Linux Live CD (not a Linux
hard drive installation) uses the Windows swap file on the hard drive.
The swap file is OS-dependent in the first place, and the Live CDs don't
use the hard drive for anything by default.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

In ,
Nil typed:
On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Yeah I know you think that. And yes, Ubuntu Live isn't really
installing anything per se, but borrows the Windows swapfile for
its own use.

Citation, please.

I don't think you'll find a credible one.

Yes you are right. You probably won't find any citation (except from
archives by me). But if you compile Linux, you should find it. Or do
what I did, turn off the swapfile for XP and run Ubuntu Live and having
US Robotics iband installed on the drive. Then after you run Ubuntu Live
(and actually doing nothing and shutting down Ubuntu) and boot XP, XP
will hang just before the Taskbar should show and will display a window
saying Windows Installer (and nothing else) and just sit there doing
nothing forever. I seem to recall CTRL-ALT-DEL still worked, but useless
to get Windows functioning once again. I do seem to recall a quick fix,
you could rename iband.dll to something else and XP would then boot
normally. But that doesn't matter when only running Ubuntu Live screwed
it up in the first place.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

In ,
glee typed:
Please show us any credible evidence that any Linux Live CD (not a
Linux hard drive installation) uses the Windows swap file on the hard
drive. The swap file is OS-dependent in the first place, and the Live
CDs don't use the hard drive for anything by default.

Yeah I know ignorant people won't believe it no matter what anybody
says. So what is the point? But intelligent people know this to be true.
And one of them found here is Paul. And as far as I know, Paul doesn't
see you as a troll that you are. So just ask him about it. But you
probably won't believe Paul either, so what's the point?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
glee typed:
Please show us any credible evidence that any Linux Live CD (not a
Linux hard drive installation) uses the Windows swap file on the hard
drive. The swap file is OS-dependent in the first place, and the Live
CDs don't use the hard drive for anything by default.

Yeah I know ignorant people won't believe it no matter what anybody
says. So what is the point? But intelligent people know this to be
true. And one of them found here is Paul. And as far as I know, Paul
doesn't see you as a troll that you are. So just ask him about it. But
you probably won't believe Paul either, so what's the point?

So, you don't have any evidence to support the claim, then.
There you go again with your attitude, calling names when you can't back
up a statement. All that proves is your own ignorance.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee typed:
Please show us any credible evidence that any Linux Live CD (not a
Linux hard drive installation) uses the Windows swap file on the
hard drive. The swap file is OS-dependent in the first place, and
the Live CDs don't use the hard drive for anything by default.

Yeah I know ignorant people won't believe it no matter what anybody
says. So what is the point? But intelligent people know this to be
true. And one of them found here is Paul. And as far as I know, Paul
doesn't see you as a troll that you are. So just ask him about it.
But you probably won't believe Paul either, so what's the point?

So, you don't have any evidence to support the claim, then.
There you go again with your attitude, calling names when you can't
back up a statement. All that proves is your own ignorance.

Nope, far from it ignorant one. Even Paul knows better. But keep your
head in the sand, who the hell cares what you do?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On Jun 9, 8:49*am, "BillW50" wrote:
,
Robert Macy typed:





During bootup came up with error message about running original disk
and restore from that.

Inserted disk, booted from CD, system downloaded many programs and
then presented a screen with 3 choices.

Install
restore
escape

The 'r' key did NOTHING!

Hitting escape to exit did NOTHING

Had to pull power to reboot, and comes back with same message

Upon executing the sequence of insert disk, select 'r', still nothing
happens and have to power off.

Any ideas?

After reading the thread up to this point of time (although I probably
missed a thing or two along the way). I do have a question. Are you
trying to restore with an USB optical drive? If so, you can run into
problems like this and sometimes there are workarounds to make it work.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

No, built-in CD Drive

On Jun 9, 9:05*am, "BillW50" wrote:
,
Paul typed:





Robert Macy wrote:
During bootup came up with error message about running original disk
and restore from that.

Inserted disk, booted from CD, system downloaded many programs and
then presented a screen with 3 choices.

Install
restore
escape

The 'r' key did NOTHING!

Hitting escape to exit did NOTHING

Had to pull power to reboot, and comes back with same message

Upon executing the sequence of insert disk, select 'r', still nothing
happens and have to power off.

Any ideas?

So the keyboard doesn't work ?

Or the keyboard is outputting something not recognized by the
installer, like a shift or modifier key jammed, locale different than
expected (French keyboard with English CD perhaps?).

Test the keyboard with something.

If you have an old MSDOS floppy, perhaps you can type in the command
line when the floppy boots up. Or, use a Linux CD and do some typing
after that comes up. Useful Linux CDs are usually bloated with
software you don't need for a test like this. But some of the smaller
distros are so convoluted, you'll never figure out how to use them.

My favorite tools for NT based Windows is either BartPE or WinPE. And I
would stay away from Live Linux, since they have been known to mess up
some Windows installs and to make Windows unbootable. It appears some
Linux distros borrows the Windows swapfile and can leave it in a state
that makes Windows unbootable.

But a quick test to checkout if the keyboard is functioning or not, I'll
use the BIOS Setup. Sure it doesn't use much of the keys, but at least
you learn whether or not the BIOS can see the keyboard or not.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

Yes, use 3 1/2 drive A: and a Win98 boot disk, then try all kinds of
things using thekeyboard, appears to be ok.