Original CD won't 'restore' system ??

"BillW50" wrote in message
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Please show us any credible evidence that any Linux Live CD (not a
Linux hard drive installation) uses the Windows swap file on the
hard drive. The swap file is OS-dependent in the first place, and
the Live CDs don't use the hard drive for anything by default.

Yeah I know ignorant people won't believe it no matter what anybody
says. So what is the point? But intelligent people know this to be
true. And one of them found here is Paul. And as far as I know, Paul
doesn't see you as a troll that you are. So just ask him about it.
But you probably won't believe Paul either, so what's the point?

So, you don't have any evidence to support the claim, then.
There you go again with your attitude, calling names when you can't
back up a statement. All that proves is your own ignorance.

Nope, far from it ignorant one. Even Paul knows better. But keep your
head in the sand, who the hell cares what you do?

If you're so effing smart, why can't you give even one citation to back
up your claim? Instead you put it off onto someone who isn't even
involved in the thread and has not made your claim. You made a claim
with nothing to support it (again) and when you are asked to show the
proof of your claim, you start name calling (again), and have nothing to
offer. Pathetic.
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MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Yes you are right. You probably won't find any citation (except
from archives by me). But if you compile Linux, you should find
it. Or do what I did, turn off the swapfile for XP and run Ubuntu
Live and having US Robotics iband installed on the drive.

So, you're the only one in the world reporting this. OK, I suspected as
much. That's usually the case with you.

So, you're saying you compiled your own live Linux boot disk, and it
changed the contents of your hard disk? If so (and I don't believe that
you did) then you obviously chose incorrect options. Otherwise, it's
irrelevant and intellectually dishonest for you to even mention it.

We're talking about Linux Live disks that you download. Nobody has an
issue with it but you. Why is that?

What does US Robotics iband have to do with it? I see no reports of it
interacting with Linux, and since a Linux Live bootup doesn't alter the
hard disk, and you're the only one in the world who has reported such
an issue, I'd say it's some peculiarity or problem with your setup. Or,
more likely, you used the power of the Linux live system to screw up
your hard disk. With great power comes great responsibility. You have
to assume that responsibility, rather than blame everybody else, as is
your usual m.o.

I've used live Linux boot disks many times for many years. I've never
had any such problems with any of them. The worst thing I've had happen
with them is that some don't work because they don't detect my hardware
properly.

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Robert Macy typed:
No, built-in CD Drive

Oh that could be a huge problem. Did the machine originally have a built
in optical drive? As I was working on a client's Alienware M9700 machine
and it had the restore discs and the internal optical drive was bad. I
was going to replace the drive, but I wanted to install Windows first to
see what else was needed. So I hooked up an external USB drive and tried
to install. And I ran into much of the same problems that you did.

The retail versions of XP require SP2 or SP3 to install from USB.
Earlier builds will not install. Although sadly, not all OEM versions
will work correctly from USB, even if SP2 at least. I had to replace the
internal DVD drive before I could get it to install. And it was XP SP2.
And your problem sounds very much like what I had ran across.

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"BillW50" wrote in message
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In
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Robert Macy typed:
No, built-in CD Drive

Oh that could be a huge problem. Did the machine originally have a
built in optical drive? As I was working on a client's Alienware M9700
machine and it had the restore discs and the internal optical drive
was bad. I was going to replace the drive, but I wanted to install
Windows first to see what else was needed. So I hooked up an external
USB drive and tried to install. And I ran into much of the same
problems that you did.

The retail versions of XP require SP2 or SP3 to install from USB.
Earlier builds will not install. Although sadly, not all OEM versions
will work correctly from USB, even if SP2 at least. I had to replace
the internal DVD drive before I could get it to install. And it was XP
SP2. And your problem sounds very much like what I had ran across.

Put your reading glasses on! Robert said "No COMMA built-in CD
Drive", meaning No he isn't using a USB optical, he's using an internal
optical.
You are apparently reading it "No built-in CD Drive". Punctuation is
there for a reason. Eats shoots and leaves... Eats, shoots, and
leaves..
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

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Nil typed:
On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Yes you are right. You probably won't find any citation (except
from archives by me). But if you compile Linux, you should find
it. Or do what I did, turn off the swapfile for XP and run Ubuntu
Live and having US Robotics iband installed on the drive.

So, you're the only one in the world reporting this. OK, I suspected
as much. That's usually the case with you.

Yeah well I also found a stability problem with OS/2 v3 and nobody
believed me for two years straight either. Then out of the blue, IBM
found it. And it affected all OS/2 systems just like I said it did. Go
figure.

So, you're saying you compiled your own live Linux boot disk, and it
changed the contents of your hard disk? If so (and I don't believe
that you did) then you obviously chose incorrect options. Otherwise,
it's irrelevant and intellectually dishonest for you to even mention
it.

No, I am saying when you compile Linux, it asks you how much memory it
is limited to and if it is okay to use the Windows swapfile and stuff.

We're talking about Linux Live disks that you download. Nobody has an
issue with it but you. Why is that?

Because I find problems that others won't find for years later and I
have proved it over and over again.

What does US Robotics iband have to do with it? I see no reports of it
interacting with Linux, and since a Linux Live bootup doesn't alter
the hard disk, and you're the only one in the world who has reported
such an issue, I'd say it's some peculiarity or problem with your
setup. Or, more likely, you used the power of the Linux live system
to screw up your hard disk. With great power comes great
responsibility. You have to assume that responsibility, rather than
blame everybody else, as is your usual m.o.

No you don't get it. I have proved that Ubuntu does in fact touch your
Windows drive. As I have eliminated all other possible causes.

I've used live Linux boot disks many times for many years. I've never
had any such problems with any of them. The worst thing I've had
happen with them is that some don't work because they don't detect my
hardware properly.

Yeah I heard that many times. If they don't see it then everybody else
is just nuts. Yes I get it.

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Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

Nil wrote:
On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Yes you are right. You probably won't find any citation (except
from archives by me). But if you compile Linux, you should find
it. Or do what I did, turn off the swapfile for XP and run Ubuntu
Live and having US Robotics iband installed on the drive.

So, you're the only one in the world reporting this. OK, I suspected as
much. That's usually the case with you.

So, you're saying you compiled your own live Linux boot disk, and it
changed the contents of your hard disk? If so (and I don't believe that
you did) then you obviously chose incorrect options. Otherwise, it's
irrelevant and intellectually dishonest for you to even mention it.

We're talking about Linux Live disks that you download. Nobody has an
issue with it but you. Why is that?

What does US Robotics iband have to do with it? I see no reports of it
interacting with Linux, and since a Linux Live bootup doesn't alter the
hard disk, and you're the only one in the world who has reported such
an issue, I'd say it's some peculiarity or problem with your setup. Or,
more likely, you used the power of the Linux live system to screw up
your hard disk. With great power comes great responsibility. You have
to assume that responsibility, rather than blame everybody else, as is
your usual m.o.

I've used live Linux boot disks many times for many years. I've never
had any such problems with any of them. The worst thing I've had happen
with them is that some don't work because they don't detect my hardware
properly.

He might be referring to "Wubi", but I can't be sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu_installer)

Most distros I've used, they support various flavors of "install".
Only Gentoo makes usage of actual "compile" as a method of preparing
a copy. And in Gentoo, that process is actually bootstrapped, so
you're not really starting from scratch. There is a small "chroot"
environment, and things are built from there, until the system
is ready to reboot and run native.

Wubi is an installer, and more apt to be copying things from one
place to another.

I've never used Wubi. I've installed Linux to its own partition,
and that doesn't use Wubi. That uses the regular installer, and
Windows would not be running at that time. Or, you can run Linux
from the CD as a LiveCD. A LiveCD doesn't need to install anything,
and distros like Knoppix, don't actually even encourage installation.
Wubi is some kind of in-between option, which is probably why I was never
interested in it.

LiveCDs also support their own flavor of data partition. This
is called a "presistent store". The advantage of that option,
is GRUB is not installed, and no changes are made to any boot.ini.
You boot the read-only portion of the OS from CD or USB key, and
any changes made (like storing a text file in your home directory),
go into the data partition or persistent store. My 1GB USB key
is set up that way, and has a 200MB area on the key for storing
changed files. Which is way too small for the job. Just one
run of Synaptic Package Manager and updating the database for
it, fills the store up.

Paul

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"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
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Please show us any credible evidence that any Linux Live CD (not a
Linux hard drive installation) uses the Windows swap file on the
hard drive. The swap file is OS-dependent in the first place, and
the Live CDs don't use the hard drive for anything by default.

Yeah I know ignorant people won't believe it no matter what anybody
says. So what is the point? But intelligent people know this to be
true. And one of them found here is Paul. And as far as I know,
Paul doesn't see you as a troll that you are. So just ask him
about it. But you probably won't believe Paul either, so what's
the point?

So, you don't have any evidence to support the claim, then.
There you go again with your attitude, calling names when you can't
back up a statement. All that proves is your own ignorance.

Nope, far from it ignorant one. Even Paul knows better. But keep your
head in the sand, who the hell cares what you do?

If you're so effing smart, why can't you give even one citation to
back up your claim? Instead you put it off onto someone who isn't
even involved in the thread and has not made your claim. You made a
claim with nothing to support it (again) and when you are asked to
show the proof of your claim, you start name calling (again), and
have nothing to offer. Pathetic.

Yes I know ignorant people like yourself won't believe. But I know how
it really happens and are more than willing to show anybody who wants to
learn the same thing. But it is common for ignorant people like yourself
to act this way.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." ~
Albert Einstein

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Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In
,
Robert Macy typed:
No, built-in CD Drive

Oh that could be a huge problem. Did the machine originally have a
built in optical drive? As I was working on a client's Alienware
M9700 machine and it had the restore discs and the internal optical
drive was bad. I was going to replace the drive, but I wanted to
install Windows first to see what else was needed. So I hooked up an
external USB drive and tried to install. And I ran into much of the
same problems that you did.

The retail versions of XP require SP2 or SP3 to install from USB.
Earlier builds will not install. Although sadly, not all OEM versions
will work correctly from USB, even if SP2 at least. I had to replace
the internal DVD drive before I could get it to install. And it was
XP SP2. And your problem sounds very much like what I had ran across.

Put your reading glasses on! Robert said "No COMMA built-in CD
Drive", meaning No he isn't using a USB optical, he's using an
internal optical.
You are apparently reading it "No built-in CD Drive". Punctuation is
there for a reason. Eats shoots and leaves... Eats, shoots, and
leaves..

Yeap.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On 09 Jun 2012, Paul wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

He might be referring to "Wubi", but I can't be sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu_installer)

If he is, he's talking about something completely different than
everybody else is, even though the subject has been clarified several
times. We've very specific about it being a "Live Linux" bootup disk,
not an install-to-hard-disk situation.

I've never used Wubi. I've installed Linux to its own partition,
and that doesn't use Wubi. That uses the regular installer, and
Windows would not be running at that time.

I've got on computer running one of those Wubi installations, and
Unbuntu is presented as a choice by Windows boot manager. This is my
Linux play toy, not something I used day-to-day.

Or, you can run Linux
from the CD as a LiveCD. A LiveCD doesn't need to install
anything, and distros like Knoppix, don't actually even encourage
installation.

Yes. That's what I've been trying to get across.

On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Yeah well I also found a stability problem with OS/2 v3 and nobody
believed me for two years straight either. Then out of the blue,
IBM found it. And it affected all OS/2 systems just like I said it
did. Go figure.

Yeah, yeah, we know, you're an all-seeing God among we mere mortals. So
you keep telling us.

No, I am saying when you compile Linux, it asks you how much
memory it is limited to and if it is okay to use the Windows
swapfile and stuff.

So freakin' what? That has absolutely nothing at all to do with the
subject. Why would you bring up such irrelevant drivel?

No you don't get it. I have proved that Ubuntu does in fact touch
your Windows drive. As I have eliminated all other possible
causes.

You have proved no such thing, except that you broke your computer, and
you're trying to blame someone else, even though you have no evidence.
Again.

On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Yes I know ignorant people like yourself won't believe. But I know
how it really happens and are more than willing to show anybody
who wants to learn the same thing.

Please prove it by duplicating the problem and document the process.

Until then, I tend to trust the experience of many thousands of people
who use Live Linux disks on Windows computers without incident over the
unsupported delusion of one newsgroup kook.

In ,
Nil typed:
On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Yes I know ignorant people like yourself won't believe. But I know
how it really happens and are more than willing to show anybody
who wants to learn the same thing.

Please prove it by duplicating the problem and document the process.

I have many times. How many times do I have to do this? In the past I
have found it doesn't matter. Less intelligent people just won't get it
anyway.

Until then, I tend to trust the experience of many thousands of people
who use Live Linux disks on Windows computers without incident over
the unsupported delusion of one newsgroup kook.

Yes I have heard this BS many times.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
~ Albert Einstein

And I admit most people will and could use Live Linux without problems.
No problems there at all. The problem I have is the claim that Linux
Live doesn't touch your installed Windows. Now I really have a problem
and I have documented this many times in the past.

But I also documented problems for two years straight with OS/2 v3 too
and nobody believed me either. And when the truth finally came out, I
never got credit or anything and IBM acted like they found it before
anybody else did. Yeah pure BS, but what are you going to do?

--
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Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I have many times. How many times do I have to do this?

At least once. I have seen no evidence from you, just an unsupported
claim. Show me the money or shut up.

In the past I have found it doesn't matter. Less intelligent
people just won't get it anyway.

Yes, we know, you being the Supreme Intelligence and all. We humans
should have faith in those who claim to be more highly evolved. The
scientific process is so... overrated and boring.

And I admit most people will and could use Live Linux without
problems. No problems there at all. The problem I have is the
claim that Linux Live doesn't touch your installed Windows. Now I
really have a problem and I have documented this many times in the
past.

Where? Please cite. Surely you still have your documentation... if it
exists. A repeat of your unsupported claim is not enough.

But I also documented problems for two years straight with OS/2 v3
too and nobody believed me either.

Irrelevant, except to stoke your megalomania.

"BillW50" wrote in message
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glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
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glee typed:
Please show us any credible evidence that any Linux Live CD (not
a
Linux hard drive installation) uses the Windows swap file on the
hard drive. The swap file is OS-dependent in the first place, and
the Live CDs don't use the hard drive for anything by default.

Yeah I know ignorant people won't believe it no matter what
anybody
says. So what is the point? But intelligent people know this to be
true. And one of them found here is Paul. And as far as I know,
Paul doesn't see you as a troll that you are. So just ask him
about it. But you probably won't believe Paul either, so what's
the point?

So, you don't have any evidence to support the claim, then.
There you go again with your attitude, calling names when you can't
back up a statement. All that proves is your own ignorance.

Nope, far from it ignorant one. Even Paul knows better. But keep
your
head in the sand, who the hell cares what you do?

If you're so effing smart, why can't you give even one citation to
back up your claim? Instead you put it off onto someone who isn't
even involved in the thread and has not made your claim. You made a
claim with nothing to support it (again) and when you are asked to
show the proof of your claim, you start name calling (again), and
have nothing to offer. Pathetic.

Yes I know ignorant people like yourself won't believe. But I know how
it really happens and are more than willing to show anybody who wants
to learn the same thing. But it is common for ignorant people like
yourself to act this way.
snip

Yeah, right.... you would be happy to show us except you won't. You
have not supplied any evidence at all, despite more than one person in
this thread asking for it. As for Paul, he has chimed into this thread
and he hasn't backed your claim either.... quite the opposite.
I'm sorry but you are being the ignorant person once again. I asked
nicely for some proof of your claim at the onset, and you've blathered
without supplying one iota of proof or documentation of the claim.
Enjoy yourself proclaiming your "superiority" to everyone else here....
sadly you are proving otherwise.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

In ,
Nil typed:
On 09 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I have many times. How many times do I have to do this?

At least once. I have seen no evidence from you, just an unsupported
claim. Show me the money or shut up.

Oh! Now you are talking my language Nil. How much money do you want to
bet? I am not much of a better except for a sure thing.

In the past I have found it doesn't matter. Less intelligent
people just won't get it anyway.

Yes, we know, you being the Supreme Intelligence and all. We humans
should have faith in those who claim to be more highly evolved. The
scientific process is so... overrated and boring.

No Nil. I make mistakes like everybody else I know does. The difference
is that I learn from my mistakes and continue on. Most people can't
bother learning.

And I admit most people will and could use Live Linux without
problems. No problems there at all. The problem I have is the
claim that Linux Live doesn't touch your installed Windows. Now I
really have a problem and I have documented this many times in the
past.

Where? Please cite. Surely you still have your documentation... if it
exists. A repeat of your unsupported claim is not enough.

I am pretty sure I still have what Paul supported what I said back in
2009. Although I didn't look for it and I am willing to dig for it and
pull it out as a trump card if I have too.

But I also documented problems for two years straight with OS/2 v3
too and nobody believed me either.

Irrelevant, except to stoke your megalomania.

I don't even know what megalomania means. But if it means the following
then I agree. As this has been my experience totally.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
~ Arthur Schopenhauer -- German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

Megalomania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania

Oh man. that is really sick! Sounds a lot like you Nil. :-(

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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2